Marcus, a civil rights attorney was consulted on this issue. know that there are many eyes watching the org right now, and that pressure is being put on Prince to make a statement about the treatment of African Americans on a site that is dedicated to a black artist whether it is an"unofficial" site or not.

The attorney stated that legally there is really nothing that can be done, however in principle there is alot that can be done. He also stated that if the moderators claim that they can delete threads and posts without any notice or explanation, and if there is some inconsistency in this practice, then indeed they can be held accountable.

MarcusGarvey said:

Looks like it is still active to me:
http://www.prince.org/profile/natturner

RandomDuck said:

Maybe he can't use the ID although it's still showing there? Blocked perhaps, dunno.

EOS...

if its tried and true that Matt, Ben and Val have allowed the ORG to become a cess pool of racist remarks, ethnic slurs and just downright nastiness -- then yes, there is a very real and practical way to convey the message.

a public posting satirizing the ordeal by calling out them "massas" is a bit ineffective IMHO.

however, has anyone contacted the moderators in a sane tone and explained the frustration, not merely been frustrated AT THEM?

this place aint easy to manage and post like these dont necessarily "bring the message to light"... its seems less constructive and more condusive to the problem.

And if it is true that African Americans are sooner or easier banned from the Org than others than I really need to reconsider my being here...Matt? Ben? What's the deal???

Roverlo

Nat Turner was banned from the org
Guess big ole masta did not like
Nat Turner's activities
but how is it that of all the things that happen
and Nat Turner is banned?
all the things people say about African Americans
and yet they were not banned
was big masta in da heaben
scared
I have read worse on this site by other posters
but they are still free to do and say as they please
oh those people are white
maybe that's it

roverlo said:

For fucks sake, this is the internet. Who knows who is sitting behind that monitor. Do black ppl have special IP addresses?
For all we know, this Marcusgravy is a white guy.

nLA said:

Haha your new here right? Yeah the whole point is these incidents (see my above post near start) are constantly reported to the moderators and no true action is ever taken. When action (Deleteion of threads, messages and now members?) is taken it seems to be taken in a very inconsistent manner to say the least.

I know myself and many others have bended Matt and Ben's ears with no real results...

Partial "Laissez-faire" in EFFECT.

Look for this thread to vanish soon.

I agree with "Marcus" that Eos23's excellent message should be given it's own thread as it's all very worthy no matter how uncomfortable it makes certain loudmouths and the conditioned mentality established here.

Essence said:

Yeah Essence, I'm new here and occassionally visit and peruse... I had not been aware of any discrimination...

can you elaborate?

I think they get locked or deleted if theres a substantial amount of complaints.

rdhull said:

There's merit in what you say there. So because some of the problem members here would complain about Eos23's intelligent, worthy threads they should be deleted? While a whole heap of BS remains...

eos23 said:

Essence said:

I didnt say that its a perfect system or a "correct" one.Theres probably a lot less people who complain about racist post than there are those who complain about posts by Nat etc due to the make-up of the group...even though the content of a post is what should actually be looked at to determine its worth and delete-suscpetability.

Yeah I agree with you but I'd say too much is deleted for an easy life. It's the worthy threads swept under the carpet (While trash remains) which just rile people further...

Essence said:

Dont let this shit rile you...its an interesting look at groups and society.

nLA said:

Like I said above:

Punkbible raved on about "Spear chuckers returning to Africa if they don't like it here in USA" with a whole lot of other racist rhetoric (disrespected many black leaders/pioneers in same rant) and admits he's racist. He's not been deleted.

JNoel said "***ing Muslim Pakis". He's still here.

There's two. I'm sure others have noted their own. All depends if you're looking...

The above remain yet Nat says he's been deleted and the only thread you can ever count on being moderated/deleted is one like this when the hypocrisy in action is pointed out...

Dont let this shit rile you...its an interesting look at groups and society.

It doesn't rile me as such but is just a shame in my favourite artist's main website you know? It could all easily be improved.

Is the "groups and society" demographic here interesting to you as in learning something new?

Nat Turner was banned from the org
Guess big ole masta did not like
Nat Turner's activities
but how is it that of all the things that happen
and Nat Turner is banned?
all the things people say about African Americans
and yet they were not banned
was big masta in da heaben
scared
I have read worse on this site by other posters
but they are still free to do and say as they please
oh those people are white
maybe that's it

Essence said:

point taken...but it isnt from the artist we have to remember..and we also have to remember that there are people who joke by putting certain rhetoric online like this as well as actually feeling like this in real time...arent you glad that you are aware that people think like this..Im not saying arent u glad there are people who think like this, but Im saying arent you glad to be "aware" of that fact instead of thnking of the Prince audience as a utopia that doesnt have any prejudices?



No..its just interesting to see how shit gets played out in a sort of controlled environment. You can see how groups tend to gather and fight for whats detrimental to their immediate persons...white, black, gay, straight etc. For instance..theres some people who vehemently denounced the word princefagg becasue of its connotations and yet their responses to other forms of what one could call "discrimination" complaints was to say "leave if u dont like it". Anither is the staunch defending (even if quiet) of someone with looks tat are from a indoctrrinated sense of beauty, when if said person was what todays society calls unattractive, the defenders probably wouldnt stand for the persons actions etc. If you look at it from a humans in society interacting point of view this whole thing is somewhat fascinating to watch unfold etc.
[This message was edited Wed Aug 14 13:07:34 PDT 2002 by rdhull]

Some people in here are too unbalanced to adopt a sane view on anything.

Its like preaching to the distorted.

Yeah it's surely better people are honest instead of subscribing to the head in the sand ideology. On the same hand the opportunity to be prejudiced against the prejudiced should be open equally. It's the moderation policy both strict and lacking (in extremes) depending on scenario which causes the issues here.

This is the main Prince website for fans like I said and with that should come responsibilities. P has a relatively large fanbase and if the inclination to start the biggest site is there then so must be the commitment to it's moderating and universal sensitivitiy policies.