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Reply #60 posted 08/30/06 10:42am

NDRU

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ufoclub said:

I think was a great album as well. "...river of blood..." is a great lyric. I actually like "The Flow" better than any of Tony M's raps on any other songs. I think that "Sacrifice of Victor" builds incredibly to the "joy around the corner" soul choir vocals.

I don't think that it is perfect by any means. But it comes across much stronger on a first listen in it's time than many other Prince albums.


The album is confusing at times, but I love the Prince mythology it embraces and the connections between songs--like river of blood mentioned in "I Wanna Melt With U" and again in "7," as well as the many references to seven in "I Wanna Melt With U."

Also how in the video to "7," how the Prince character with the chains on his face is one of the seven who falls--that always justified "My Name Is Prince's" kind of ridiculous quality. Like Prince knew that that (along with "I Wanna Melt With U") was not his best side, even if the song is funky.
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Reply #61 posted 08/30/06 11:50am

raveon2tnek

"the morning papers" blew me away!
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Reply #62 posted 08/30/06 4:38pm

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RitaQoS said:



Very vocally at the NPGMC in the Library.

He compared the Symbol album with The Rainbow Children and asked the listener to compare the two and see which album represented true freedom (referring to TRC) therefore clearly putting down one of his own albums - i.e. the symbollocks album!

A rare case for him to not support one of his own 'children', but he proved there that the Symbol album holds 'issues' for him. And thank goodness he has looked back upon this atrocity and realised it's inferiority.

Didn't he also say similar things about Parade? confuse


PARADE kicks ass.


I think the biggest difference here is that with Parade, he was full of self doubt about the album he'd created from his heart at that point (whether genuine or not), but with the Symbol Album, he was retrospectively realising that it was a cop-out on his behalf. I'm not normally a supporter of his WB battle, but it was clear here that something was wrong and he was happily giving them music that he wasn't interested in himself.

It's funny, but I think his comparison with the prince album and TRC is a good one cos TRC is what that sort of album should be about (creative madness and consumer confusion) and the prince album is a fine example of an artist giving in to what is expected of her/him.
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Reply #63 posted 08/31/06 1:16am

SoulAlive

ufoclub said:

I think it was a great album as well. "...river of blood..." is a great lyric.



"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief
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Reply #64 posted 08/31/06 2:30am

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SoulAlive said:

ufoclub said:

I think it was a great album as well. "...river of blood..." is a great lyric.



"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief


well but prince was only, what, 32 or something back then?

not saying that's ok, but a bit less gross than pushing 50

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Reply #65 posted 08/31/06 2:51am

SoulAlive

IstenSzek said:

SoulAlive said:




"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief


well but prince was only, what, 32 or something back then?

not saying that's ok, but a bit less gross than pushing 50

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Reply #66 posted 08/31/06 4:21am

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SoulAlive said:

ufoclub said:

I think it was a great album as well. "...river of blood..." is a great lyric.



"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief


virgin sacrifices galore. lock up ur daughters fer real. eye
" the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below.
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Reply #67 posted 08/31/06 7:26am

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SoulAlive said:

ufoclub said:

I think it was a great album as well. "...river of blood..." is a great lyric.



"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief


Yeah "river of blood" created that disturbing mood that Prince loves to throw in stuff, and fits with the strange middle east/biblical revelations texture of the design and themes of the album.
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Reply #68 posted 08/31/06 8:11am

vivid

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Awesome cd! My name is Prince, Continental, etc.


I love 7 and Sexy MF is fun, Damn U has a great vocal, but overall I just can't listen to this album. The rapping is of course terrible and some of the songs are just horrible - Blue Light, Wanna Melt - Just doesn't sound natural in any way - you can hear the effort and calculation invovlved in putting it together. It's cool thought that some of you guys like his 90s stuff, I find it embarassing overall.
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Reply #69 posted 08/31/06 5:38pm

Imago

Has anybody noticed that the picture I posted changed? eek

I didn't change it either. It just kind of changed itself. omfg
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Reply #70 posted 08/31/06 5:47pm

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"3 chains o' gold" is worth it for the guitar solo.

I remember my older sister and her friends talking about the video to "My name is prince" stating how weird it was. Me and my mates loved it at the time. Another WTF prince moment


"sweet baby" sounds like a wimpy aor track that bobby caldwell might do. Odd, but that and its sister "dont talk to strangers" are ok once in a while.
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Reply #71 posted 08/31/06 6:46pm

Imago

thesexofit said:

"3 chains o' gold" is worth it for the guitar solo.

I remember my older sister and her friends talking about the video to "My name is prince" stating how weird it was. Me and my mates loved it at the time. Another WTF prince moment


"sweet baby" sounds like a wimpy aor track that bobby caldwell might do. Odd, but that and its sister "dont talk to strangers" are ok once in a while.


hi boo hug

3 chains of gold seriously would be perfect if not for Mayte's "Give back the chains" voice at the end of it. It's like Prince's Bohemian Rhapsody.
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Reply #72 posted 08/31/06 6:55pm

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i love this album. i got this thinking, "what the hell is all this about?"

and of course, And God Created Woman is some spooky r+b/pop. i love it!



i too can say that i have been a total bitch for this album at some points.
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Reply #73 posted 08/31/06 7:00pm

Imago

Milty said:

i love this album. i got this thinking, "what the hell is all this about?"

and of course, And God Created Woman is some spooky r+b/pop. i love it!



i too can say that i have been a total bitch for this album at some points.


You're a total bitch pretty much all the time. hug
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Reply #74 posted 08/31/06 7:03pm

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Imago said:

Milty said:

i love this album. i got this thinking, "what the hell is all this about?"

and of course, And God Created Woman is some spooky r+b/pop. i love it!



i too can say that i have been a total bitch for this album at some points.


You're a total bitch pretty much all the time. hug



stickpoke


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Reply #75 posted 08/31/06 7:04pm

Imago

Milty said:

Imago said:



You're a total bitch pretty much all the time. hug



stickpoke


lol

I miss you in the General Discussion forum!



There, I've said it. rolleyes
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Reply #76 posted 08/31/06 7:57pm

Wesco

I was obsessed with this album when it came out it completely blew me away, I had to listen to it all day everyday and LOUD! (my neighbours proberly knew all the words too). BUT It wasn't until resently when was talking to a DJ in a club and he said something from the Continental, i was like "Hey that's Prince..." and he was laughing so hard telling me that's his favourite song and Prince album. It wasn't until i went home and relistened to it again, having not played it for almost 10 years... that i realised that this album is one of his best albums of the 90's and is up there with the best P albums, it's Prince and his ego at his dirty best, dirty and over the top... still over 10 years later this album blows me away ever single time
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Reply #77 posted 09/01/06 3:10am

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SoulAlive said:

ufoclub said:

I think it was a great album as well. "...river of blood..." is a great lyric.



"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief


Yeah, that's another thing. Some of the lyrics are just plain creepy as FUCK.

"Why is age more than a number when it comes to love?" sounds like something a child molestor ponders as he jerks off to a kid's picture.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #78 posted 09/01/06 3:46am

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PurpleKnight said:

SoulAlive said:




"river of blood" was a great lyric? confuse lol

My only complaint with the album is that,on certain songs,Prince comes across as a dirty old man.I cringe at the part where Kirstie Alley informs Prince that "this princess is only 16 years old" disbelief


Yeah, that's another thing. Some of the lyrics are just plain creepy as FUCK.

"Why is age more than a number when it comes to love?" sounds like something a child molestor ponders as he jerks off to a kid's picture.


Not sure about that - "the Princess was 16 years old" and in reality Mayte at least 18.

And surely less controversial than say Sister and probably many other tracks that came before which do not require hugh leaps of faith to come to more sinister conclusions.
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Reply #79 posted 09/05/06 6:35am

SoulAlive

This wasn't the first time that Prince played games with the age of a young girl.In the early 80s,there was alot of speculation that Susan Moonsie of Vanity 6 was only 16 years old.In typical Princely fashion,she never denied or confirmed it.She often held a stuffed teddy bear as part of her "act".This raised alot of eyebrows.
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Reply #80 posted 09/05/06 9:48am

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I like a few joints from prince

Sexy M.F.
Damn U
7
And God Created Woman
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Reply #81 posted 09/05/06 9:57am

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SoulAlive said:

Gohi said:

Awesme album. It gets so much unwarranted criticism and the Tony M raps really don't hurt any of the songs too much(except for My Name Is Prince).



I may be in the minority,but I don't mind Tony's raps on this album at all.In fact,I like his rap on "Sexy MF",and that fun little skit on "Love 2 The 9s" where he's interviewing Mayte.He also brings alot of life to "The Max".On the previous album ('D&P) most of his raps sounded pasted on,but here,it fits the songs perfectly.

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I am in that minority also
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Reply #82 posted 09/05/06 12:00pm

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THis was the first album that I bought of Prince's, and by far one of his best in my opinion.
I am Princes love child!
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Reply #83 posted 09/05/06 6:11pm

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SEXY MOTHER FUCKER SHAKIN THAT ASS! God bless U Tony M! Also, one of the slickest semi-acoustic (guest) guitar solos on a P record ever! The Morning Papers is the only P song my mate Stu likes! This is the 1st P album I got into ever! (i was 15). Just saw the Arsenio Hall vid on UTube - CRAZY! Love 2 the 9s is 1 of my favorite P trax! Blue Light is unique Prince! Sweet Baby is not cheese, it's lush! Damn U pulled my 1st girlfriend! It's fucking brilliant! More P albums should be like this! YES!

But this was very shortly after P signed that MASSIVE contract with WB. Was this him bowing to the pressure of having 2 be MASSIVELY commercial to fulfill the $$$ demands of WB? This is possibly the glossiest, spankingly well produced record P has ever put out ever. Was this his own creative approach or WB's? The prince thing happened less than a year later...
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Reply #84 posted 09/05/06 6:15pm

mrsquirrel

ALSO: Is it true that Warner Bros wanted to drop '7' as the 1st single, but P insisted on 'My Name Is Prince'? That pretty sums up the little man's attitude - '7' is a fantastic song....
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Reply #85 posted 09/05/06 6:26pm

mrsquirrel

THIS MORNING I WANTED A CUP OF COFFEE BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY CREAM
LAST NITE I WANTED SOME INSPIRATION BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ANY DREAMS

three chains of gold. how prophetic.... (emancipation and all that...)
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Reply #86 posted 09/05/06 6:57pm

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If you take out the skits and other cheesy material to try to make a (and I use this word loosely) cohesive story out of it and leave these songs, IMHO it would be a very strong album that I think most people couldn't argue with. However I believe that this album is a classic example of what plauges a lot of Prince albums and songs: over-production.

(in this order)
My Name Is Prince
Love 2 The 9's
And God Created Woman
The Morning Papers
Sexy M.F.
Sweet Baby
Damn U
7
3 Chain's O Gold
If u and I were just ten feet closer, then I'd make u understand
Everything I want 2 do 2 ur body baby, I will do 2 ur head
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Reply #87 posted 09/05/06 8:47pm

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Imago said:


The album starts off with "My Name Is Prince", possibly the most brash, self-agrandizing song Prince ever released. When I listenned to it for the first time (MTV Premiere video) I was stunned. I couldn't beleive it was Prince.

Then when I went out and bought the album, songs like "7", "Damn U", "The Max" and "God Created Woman" blew me away. The instrumentation was terrific, the arrangements were great, and the songs were tight.

I never understood why it received fewer good reviews than D&P--it's a far better abulm, and one of Prince's great classic albums. Sure, the hip hop elements derail some of the songs (Prince, give up hip hop--you can't do it right!), but overall it's a vibrant alive album.



prince = MASTERPIECE!!!

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Reply #88 posted 09/05/06 11:53pm

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KAB said:

PurpleKnight said:



Yeah, that's another thing. Some of the lyrics are just plain creepy as FUCK.

"Why is age more than a number when it comes to love?" sounds like something a child molestor ponders as he jerks off to a kid's picture.


Not sure about that - "the Princess was 16 years old" and in reality Mayte at least 18.

And surely less controversial than say Sister and probably many other tracks that came before which do not require hugh leaps of faith to come to more sinister conclusions.


Well, yes, there are perhaps more controversial single songs in his catalogue, but this was an entire album's worth of it. It's just creepy, and and the fact that the theme is executed really poorly like a cartoon that's meant to be taken seriously as high art just makes it worse.
The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.

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Reply #89 posted 09/06/06 1:10am

SoulAlive

mrsquirrel said:

ALSO: Is it true that Warner Bros wanted to drop '7' as the 1st single, but P insisted on 'My Name Is Prince'? That pretty sums up the little man's attitude - '7' is a fantastic song....


That's correct,but in this case,I think Prince was right."My Name Is Prince" is a perfect first single (although technically,it's the second single,since "Sexy MF" had been released months earlier).

I feel that some of the other single choices weren't so good.For example,"The Morning Papers" should not have been a single.It's an okay song,but it doesn't sound like a "hit" to me.I would have chosen the superior "And God Created Woman".It's also a shame that "The Continental" didn't become a single.
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