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PrintableI think people seem to see someone as the new Prince when they make even remotely similar music and, more than anything, have this feeling for technology that Prince used to have, crazy keyboards, drum machines and what else.
But you're not "the new Prince" unless you can play like him, dance like him, sing like him and write When Doves Cry. And comparing someone (more or less) at the beginning of his career to someone who's around for decades, doesn't say much anyway. | |
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Ageism is played and so American. Theres room for everybody. Sales and commercial heat depends on who a hand full of execs decide to distribute. This week its Outkast. | |
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Damn! Some of y'all get very angry at any perceived criticism of P. I noticed the same thing on the Manic Monday thread where it was suggested that Manic Monday was his most radio friendly, mainstream pop song. Instead of talking about that, everyone took it as a great insult to the rest of P's catalogue and started saying anything they could think of to put down Manic Monday. Most of what they said of course was irrelevant to the actual subject.
In this case the phrase "replace Prince" has obviously rubbed some the wrong way. However, in terms of presenting eccentric funk to the average consumer, Andre has replaced P, for better or worse. The real issue though, which is being avoided, is since we all agree that Andre bites Prince, and most of us agree that Prince's best work is in the past; does Andre, the recording artist, not the live performer (we all know Prince still rules live) do Prince better than the Prince of recent times? I'm not a fan of Andre's but I must admit I'm expecting to find more interesting Prince stuff on Idlewild than I did on 3121. | |
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No one in the world can replace His Royal Badness. It's like saying "the next Michael Jordan"...I feel sorry for anyone who gets the label "next Prince". | |
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skywalker said: Compare Andre 3000's career at his age, 31, to where Prince was at 31. There is no comparison.
By age 31, Prince had covered so much more ground musically, had much more sales/chart success, and a much larger impact on the world than Andre has had so far. Not to mention that most, probably even Andre himself, regard Prince as being one of the most creative/unique musicians ever to hit the scene and that Andre still kind of seen as being creative- for a rapper. Even if Idlewild has the kind of one in a lifetime universal success that Purple Rain had,which it won't, Andre is still older than Prince was and is not running the show by himself. Again, Andre is creative only by hip hop standards--which nowadays ain't saying much. Bottom Line: Andre 3000 will never "replace" Prince. Just like Prince doesn't "replace" James, Stevie, Jimi etc. That being said, If Andre were to be as big/famous/highly regarded as Prince--he would have/should have done it by now. Shit, Prince had Andre 3000 outpaced as early as "dirty Mind". [Edited 8/26/06 0:16am] i think its a mistake to compare the 80s industry machine with today's machine. its a totally different beast. most acts that come out today are one off successes never to be a hit again. there were so many musicians coming out in the late 70s - early 80s and popular music was a bottomless well of talent that could ACTUALLY GET ON THE AIR (u2, madonna, prince, janet jackson, etc). so many superstars came out in that era, it was certainly easier to have that kind of success at 31 then as opposed to now. i'm not saying andre 3000 is the next prince. nobody is the next anyone in my opinion. but i get what people are saying about andre and i hear what they're talking about. few mainstream acts are as experimental as andre 3000 and, out of those who are, even fewer are as successful. there was a lot of sound going on in the love below and while i haven't heard the whole idlewild cd, what i have heard suggests that andre 3000 hasn't changed his view that music should be pushed in new directions. maybe those directions aren't even new...but they are definitely new to mainstream listeners. prince did his thing and it was great. but he isn't trying to come up with anything new, he's not trying to prove himself (musically, that is) to the industry anymore. he shouldn't have to, either. he's done almost all there is to do and most of it has been a success at least creatively if not commercially. having followed prince since 1983 and seeing the ups and downs, i'm always surprised when a hardcore prince fan equates talent and artistry with commercial success. ok, so prince made some great records at just the right time and, thanks to the position of the industry at that time, he was able to finesse some smooth deals. well guess what? prince also made some great records at the wrong time and those records went without sales, without praise, and without success. its a sign of the times (no pun intended) and how they've changed. i don't know, man. i've welcomed outkast and andre 3000 since bombs over baghdad. even then, outkast was making some shit i'd never heard before. kind like when i first heard the 1999 album. just cuz outkast/andre 3000 didn't have the break great prince had doesn't mean they can't compare.  | |
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Andre 3000 is a flash in the pan. No one will remember what he did 20 years from now. Most of his music is a blatant rip-off to something else or someone else. You are right he can't play any instruments and none of his ideas are original. Putting an album out every 4 years doesn't work either. | |
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dumbass said: skywalker said: Compare Andre 3000's career at his age, 31, to where Prince was at 31. There is no comparison.
By age 31, Prince had covered so much more ground musically, had much more sales/chart success, and a much larger impact on the world than Andre has had so far. Not to mention that most, probably even Andre himself, regard Prince as being one of the most creative/unique musicians ever to hit the scene and that Andre still kind of seen as being creative- for a rapper. Even if Idlewild has the kind of one in a lifetime universal success that Purple Rain had,which it won't, Andre is still older than Prince was and is not running the show by himself. Again, Andre is creative only by hip hop standards--which nowadays ain't saying much. Bottom Line: Andre 3000 will never "replace" Prince. Just like Prince doesn't "replace" James, Stevie, Jimi etc. That being said, If Andre were to be as big/famous/highly regarded as Prince--he would have/should have done it by now. Shit, Prince had Andre 3000 outpaced as early as "dirty Mind". [Edited 8/26/06 0:16am] wow, that is the most specious and irrelevent argument I have ever read. great, you have succesfully pointed out that Prince has had a better career than Andre 3000, but that has nothing to do with the idea that maybe Andre 3000 at this point and time can possibly fill the empty slot Prince's has left. the point is they have similar styles and maybe Andre 3000 can bring that style to the masses, not whether he is as good as Prince or as succesful overall. but the Purple sheep will lick your balls because you wrote a well written pro-Prince defense, which is all they need to get their dicks hard and block their brain from being able to analyze the argument as irrelevent to the topic. once again, the only defense Prince fans can muster to keep Prince at the top in their minds is to degrade other artists and place them lower. that's why Prince's music sucks nowadays, because you will simply say all other music not only sucks but is worse, thus Prince is still the best by default. psychopaths. I think the argument is very valid. Andre 3000 is just a Prince knockoff and nothing more. Why don't you head on over to the Andre 3000 website and we'll meet you there. | |
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There is only ONE person in the past twenty years that should have and could have inhereted Prince's throne. Only ONE. CHUCKII BOOKER Check these out.. http://www.youtube.com/wa...AEFQQaA9bE http://www.youtube.com/wa...tcrnXly-NU In both of these tracks, as with practically all his compositions,...he writes all the songs, plays all the instruments,(keyboards, bass, drums, guitar), sings all the vocals and produces the tracks. He was a true student of Prince. (Listen to his scream at the end of the first song!) And he was probably, technically, a little farther ahead in musicianship than Prince was, at the same age. The first video was done when he was 22 ,..the second was when he was 18. He now produces other artists ,..like lionel richie,...but for some unknown reason he just abondoned his solo career. Andre is aight,...but honestly,...Andre is out of his leauge. . [Edited 8/27/06 10:21am] | |
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mkaye8 said: Andre 3000 is a flash in the pan. No one will remember what he did 20 years from now. Most of his music is a blatant rip-off to something else or someone else. You are right he can't play any instruments and none of his ideas are original. Putting an album out every 4 years doesn't work either.
Does thirteen years in the business constitute a flash? Maybe you and mainstream America weren't up on Outkast until Hey Ya or Miss Jackson, but they go back a little ways. The comparisons are somewhat valid, I think, and that's a credit to Andre's creativity. There is some Prince influence, but there's also a lot of Parliament/Funkadelic, Sly, and most importantly hip-hop. His career hasn't been of the same calibre of Prince's but at this particular point in time he's the man (in terms of popular artists). |
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skywalker said: Compare Andre 3000's career at his age, 31, to where Prince was at 31. There is no comparison.
By age 31, Prince had covered so much more ground musically, had much more sales/chart success, and a much larger impact on the world than Andre has had so far. Not to mention that most, probably even Andre himself, regard Prince as being one of the most creative/unique musicians ever to hit the scene and that Andre still kind of seen as being creative- for a rapper. Even if Idlewild has the kind of one in a lifetime universal success that Purple Rain had,which it won't, Andre is still older than Prince was and is not running the show by himself. Again, Andre is creative only by hip hop standards--which nowadays ain't saying much. Bottom Line: Andre 3000 will never "replace" Prince. Just like Prince doesn't "replace" James, Stevie, Jimi etc. That being said, If Andre were to be as big/famous/highly regarded as Prince--he would have/should have done it by now. Shit, Prince had Andre 3000 outpaced as early as "dirty Mind". [Edited 8/26/06 0:16am]  | |
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mkaye8 said: Andre 3000 is a flash in the pan. No one will remember what he did 20 years from now. Most of his music is a blatant rip-off to something else or someone else. You are right he can't play any instruments and none of his ideas are original. Putting an album out every 4 years doesn't work either.
that's right. and prince has taken nothing from parliament, sly, marvin gaye, the beatles, stevie wonder, carlos santana, james brown, or little richard. once upon a time people threw bottles at prince to get him off stage. they probably thought he was a flash in the pan, too. | |
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Duggs said: 3000, can neva replace Prince.
And there's no Andre without Big Boi. Outkast is a duo always has been and always will be doesnt matter how many solo projects they do. If you only felt Outkast when Stankonia came out then your not a day one fan and cant really appreciate what they have done. Kast has created their own style and place in the music world and thats about the only thing they have similar to Prince. I wonder how OutKast would have endend up if Cee-lo would have took Big Boi's spot in the group because that was the plan since Big Boi was having doubts about being in the group. This would have been interesting since he can actually carry a tune. And if they turned out to be a trio. That would have been really really interesting. Dre' can't sing but does nice production work, Big Boi with the majority of the raps and Cee-lo singing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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You seem to admire and like very much Andre 3000's music. I myself think that Prince doesn't have a replacement. Andre and Prince shine on their own right. They are not to be compared. | |
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What a dipshit.  Also, notice how SS4GOKU dropped out of their own thread. DIPSHIT! | |
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AvramsDad said: What a dipshit.
Also, notice how SS4GOKU dropped out of their own thread. DIPSHIT! Hey AvramsDad, sorry U took my thoughts the wrong way. it was just a thought, but tell U what, if U want to call someone a "DIPSHIT" thats cool, i'll be that, by the way heard that Prince is looking for someone 2 play a
Rustytrombone in the NPG, and it seems like U blow enough "HOT AIR" to feel that position.....Prince will love it if U can play a Rustytrombone solo on "CREAM" and "COME". | |
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" AvramsDad said:  " What can U do against the Lunatic who it more intelligent than yourself,who gives your argument a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?" | |
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AvramsDad said:  What can u do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself,who gives your argument a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?" | |
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mkaye8 said: Andre 3000 is a flash in the pan. No one will remember what he did 20 years from now. Most of his music is a blatant rip-off to something else or someone else. You are right he can't play any instruments and none of his ideas are original. Putting an album out every 4 years doesn't work either. Just about my thoughts.Until recently, I thought Andre was already finished. There arenot too many musicians in Prince's league.
Who will want to see Prince in 10 years? Many more than will want to see Andre in 10 years. Age is just a number.If Prince is still performing when he's sixty, he will still be young and fabulous. | |
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There is only ONE person in the past twenty years that should have and could have inhereted Prince's throne. Only ONE. CHUCKII BOOKER Check these out.. http://www.youtube.com/wa...AEFQQaA9bE http://www.youtube.com/wa...tcrnXly-NU In both of these tracks, as with practically all his compositions,...he writes all the songs, plays all the instruments,(keyboards, bass, drums, guitar), sings all the vocals and produces the tracks. He was a true student of Prince. (Listen to his scream at the end of the first song!) And he was probably, technically, a little farther ahead in musicianship than Prince was, at the same age. The first video was done when he was 22 ,..the second was when he was 18. He now produces other artists ,..like lionel richie,...but for some unknown reason he just abondoned his solo career. Andre is aight,...but honestly,...Andre is out of his leauge. . [Edited 8/27/06 10:21am] I guess U never heard of Tonex? | |
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mkaye8 said: dumbass said: wow, that is the most specious and irrelevent argument I have ever read. great, you have succesfully pointed out that Prince has had a better career than Andre 3000, but that has nothing to do with the idea that maybe Andre 3000 at this point and time can possibly fill the empty slot Prince's has left. the point is they have similar styles and maybe Andre 3000 can bring that style to the masses, not whether he is as good as Prince or as succesful overall. but the Purple sheep will lick your balls because you wrote a well written pro-Prince defense, which is all they need to get their dicks hard and block their brain from being able to analyze the argument as irrelevent to the topic. once again, the only defense Prince fans can muster to keep Prince at the top in their minds is to degrade other artists and place them lower. that's why Prince's music sucks nowadays, because you will simply say all other music not only sucks but is worse, thus Prince is still the best by default. psychopaths. I think the argument is very valid. Andre 3000 is just a Prince knockoff and nothing more. Why don't you head on over to the Andre 3000 website and we'll meet you there. It would be valid if this were a discussion about their overall careers, but it's not. The issue is about the role they play in the industry right now, not yesterday or tomorrow. As SS4GOKU made clear, Andre's not as gifted as Prince. Nowhere near. But he is bringing a lot of Prince like values to today's audience, whether you like it or not. In that sense the original statement, though rather crudely put, has some validity. | |
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whoknows said: mkaye8 said: I think the argument is very valid. Andre 3000 is just a Prince knockoff and nothing more. Why don't you head on over to the Andre 3000 website and we'll meet you there. It would be valid if this were a discussion about their overall careers, but it's not. The issue is about the role they play in the industry right now, not yesterday or tomorrow. As SS4GOKU made clear, Andre's not as gifted as Prince. Nowhere near. But he is bringing a lot of Prince like values to today's audience, whether you like it or not. In that sense the original statement, though rather crudely put, has some validity. Just to clarify, by original statement I mean the one that started this thread. | |
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I don't think that the great artists of the 60s,70s and 80s will ever be "replaced".Let's be honest,will there truly ever be another Aretha? Another Stevie Wonder? Or even another Michael Jackson and Madonna? Hell no! Andre is very good and he's arguably the most refreshing thing in hip-hop right now,but he will never replace Prince,or any other musical great,for that matter. | |
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SoulAlive said: I don't think that the great artists of the 60s,70s and 80s will ever be "replaced".Let's be honest,will there truly ever be another Aretha? Another Stevie Wonder? Or even another Michael Jackson and Madonna? Hell no! Andre is very good and he's arguably the most refreshing thing in hip-hop right now,but he will never replace Prince,or any other musical great,for that matter.
Exactly! The industry is no longer set up to create music legends/icon. I would be willing to go along with: Andre is a musical genius by today's standards or Andre is equivalent to Prince in the rap world but I will not buy that Andre is replacing Prince. | |
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PurpleCharm said: Andre is equivalent to Prince in the rap world but I will not buy that Andre is replacing Prince. Finally.....something I can agree with. | |
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skywalker said: absolutely not, Andre 3000 isn't in the ballpark of Prince at the height of his genius.
But if Andre ever was, then he could replace Prince, because he would be better. Right. And if you ever were you could "replace Prince". It just ain't happening. No one will "replace Prince". Thanks for the opinion. Again, how is Andre gonna replace Prince if people like you yourself see Big Boi as being the real talent? and Speakerbox stands up better as time goes on than TLB, which gets very boring to listen to after numerous cycles...just like modern Prince cds! see, Andre and Prince are far more similar than you think! Again, personal opinions aside---Andre 3000 is not Prince's heir apparent. No one really can be what Prince is/was--just like with James, Jimi, The Beatles, Michael,etc. Half of it is about timing and originality. Just let Andre 3000 be Andre 3000 and everything will be fine. you keep using replace incorrectly in the context of the thread. as you say in your last part, heir apparent is what is being discussed. 3000 may not be an exact duplicate, but their styles are similar enough for him to qualify as heir apparent. whether I feel he is more talented than Big Boi or not has nothing to do with his similar style to Prince. no offense, but you are simply making irrelevent arguments. stick to the one dynamic that isimportant, do they have similar styles. the answer is yes. this message brought to you by logic. | |
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you keep using replace incorrectly in the context of the thread. as you say in your last part, heir apparent is what is being discussed. 3000 may not be an exact duplicate, but their styles are similar enough for him to qualify as heir apparent.
That's just it--- he is not an heir apparent. As hot as he is now, it is already evident that Andre won't bring to the masses the feelings that Prince did/does. As for me using "replace" incorrectly in the context of this thread--maybe the title of this thread should be reworded. The topic of this thread is wondering if 3000 could "replace Prince" or carry the torch. I said it before, if Andre was going to be what Prince was/is to the world, albeit in his own Andre 3000 way, he'd have done it by now. The fact is, Andre is funky--but he isn't what Prince was/is. I'll say this---Andre 3000 MAY be the Prince of the hip hop world. It's not about similarities and sales, it's about impact on the world. Andre hasn't had the impact that Prince does/did. If he was going to he'd have done it by now. To be Prince's heir apparent the dude has to take it to another level---Andre hasn't done that. whether I feel he is more talented than Big Boi or not has nothing to do with his similar style to Prince. no offense, but you are simply making irrelevent arguments.
You are right, Andre being less talented has nothing to do with his similar to Prince. However, it has EVERYTHING to do with Andre NOT being Prince's heir apparent. Prince's heir apparent, if he ever will have one, is not going to be less talented than Big Boi. Prince's heir apparent is gonna have to be hellatalented and have a similar impact on the world. The argument is relevant. Again, to be Prince's heir apparent, the person needs to be more than similar to Prince, they need to be unique and somewhat of a prodigy. stick to the one dynamic that isimportant, do they have similar styles. the answer is yes.
Prince and Andre have similar styles--is that the dynamic that is important fo Andre to be the heir apparent? Absolutely not. The thing that is important to being Prince's heir apparent is that the person needs to be more than just similar----as I said, they need to take it to the next level. Andre hasn't done that. He hasn't even surpassed Dirty Mind. [Edited 8/28/06 8:43am] "New Power slide...." |
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I am Prince. Prince is me.
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SS4GOKU said: GOOD MORNING EVERYONE
THIS EVENING I SAW THE NEW MOTION PICTURE " IDLEWILD " STARRING "ANDRE 3000" ONE HALF OF THE AWARD WINNING GROUP "OUTKAST".NOW LET ME START BY SAYING THAT PRINCE IS THE MAN AND HE WILL ALWAYS BE THE MAN FOR YEARS TO COME, EVEN IF HE NEVER SINGS OR PLAYS ANOTHER NOTE. TO MANY PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF HE'S BIGGER THAN " ELVIS A.K.A. THE KING", BUT FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT HE'S NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER, DON'T FORGET HE'S KNOCKING ON 50'S DOOR AND HIS MUSIC WILL PROBALLY NEVER BE LIKE IT ONCE WAS. BUT QUOTING HIM HE DID SAY REPRODUCTION OF THE NEW BREED LEADER STAND UP ORGANIZE, AND BY SAYING THAT I FEEL THAT ANDRE 3000 COULD BE THAT NEW BREED IN A FEW YEARS, IT'S TRUE HE CAN'T SING OR PLAY GUITAR LIKE PRINCE, BUT THEY DO HAVE MUSICAL IDEAS, CREATIVITY AND CHARACTERISTICS ALIKE, ESPECIALLY WHEN PRINCE WAS HOT IN THE 1980'S. CHANGE IS SOMETHING THAT HAS GOT TO COME. LIKE HOW PRINCE TOOK OVER AFTER JAMES BROWN, SLY STONE, JIMMI HENDRIX AND GEORGE CLINTON, COULD IT BE POSSIBLE THAT ANDRE 3000 COULD REPLACE THE PURPLE ONE? IN ABOUT 10 YEARS FROM NOW HE'LL BE CLOSE TO 60 YEARS OLD, WHO WANTS TO SEE HIM BE LIKE A OLD SENIOR CITIZEN 'MICK JAGGER" PLAYING SUPER BOWLS OR DOING SHOWS IN LAS VEGAS LIKE WAYNE NEWTON. PRINCE, BUILT A LEGACY THAT SHOULD BE CONTINUED, SOMEONE THAT CAN REPRESENT HIS ART.....PEACE AND BE WILD. Stand Up! Everybody, this is your life!
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