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Printablewasitgood4u said: mikek1 said: When they say 'wrote'; they mean the music. Prince nearly always wrote the lyrics.
Those albums(84-86) say produced, composed, arranged, e.tc. by Prince and THE REVOLUTION! Yeah, but there are also writing credits for each individual song - in those days they were usually on the LP label itself next to the name of the track - and those r the ones that count for the cash!! Yes your correct. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: BorisFishpaw said: Yes, Prince has not credited others for their input on some songs,
but he's also given credit to others for songs they didn't write. Only in paper, in reality all the money went to one guy. And even when people were properly credited, they didn't always get their money: http://groups.google.com/...b47323b648 Dr Fink has also complained about not getting money owed. Prince is well-known for failing to pay his bills: http://princetext.tripod...._1995.html Wow I didn't know about Dr. Fink complain at one point of money that was owed, if that is true. It seem like that in publicly he always said something positive things about Prince and also that he was happy with the credited he deserved in the music, etc. But perhaps he might think differently in private. | |
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mikek1 said: When they say 'wrote'; they mean the music. Prince nearly always wrote the lyrics.
Those albums(84-86) say produced, composed, arranged, e.tc. by Prince and THE REVOLUTION! Wendy and Lisa have said lyrical claimed on Mountains and 17 Days. There maybe others too. | |
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DecaturStone said: I hate as a nnewbie to be the one who says this outloud. Prince during the years that Jesse, Dez, Wendy and Lisa were around was his most prolific. Since they have been away he has not been as prolific. Yes he is still one of the greatest who ever did it. It is clear that he help some kinda asisst from the team. Be it small or big those people around gave him some help. Some of the cases may not be worth giving credit for. Others he may be dead wrong. Looking at the position he was in at the time that his 'core' from the revolution era was gone. He did not make anything nearly as mind blowing as when the revolution was around. So the arguement can be made that credit is deserved and he should put that team back together. IMHO
Some people may argue that his"best"music came after the Revolution. SOTT and Lovesexy being examples. I don't really want to b your man..I only want to feel u up | |
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Some people may argue that his"best"music came after the Revolution. SOTT and Lovesexy being examples.[/quote]
W & L wrote half of 'sign of the times'. | |
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mikek1 said: Some people may argue that his"best"music came after the Revolution. SOTT and Lovesexy being examples.
W & L wrote half of 'sign of the times'.[/quote] Not to argue with you but can that be proved? I know some of the songs on SOTT were older and W&L may have had some input but to say that they wrote half is stretching it. I don't really want to b your man..I only want to feel u up | |
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Most of the songs on those LPs were started while Wendy and Lisa were there. Sign of the times even P admits to that.Lovesexy keeping in mind Doctor Fink was still around. The point being is that the team he had in place was helpful to him. | |
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I hope this doesn't sound mean because I like Wendy and Lisa.I also think they contributed alot to Princes'music. But if they were such a huge creative force as some people say( the people who claim prince somehow stole his ideas and music from them )then where are the great songs now? I mean come on they didn't do shit after Prince. I don't really want to b your man..I only want to feel u up | |
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mikek1 said: wasitgood4u said: Yeah, but there are also writing credits for each individual song - in those days they were usually on the LP label itself next to the name of the track - and those r the ones that count for the cash!! Yes your correct. Not really. It never matters what is written on the label. It's down to what is registered for payment of copyright royalties and publishing dues. So reference to the Library of Congress and ASCAP gives a clearer picture. It doesn't mean someone actually wrote the music, but it is a much clearer indicator of who gets the cash because they are registered for having written the music. . [Edited 8/9/06 11:14am] ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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ladygirl99 said: mikek1 said: When they say 'wrote'; they mean the music. Prince nearly always wrote the lyrics.
Those albums(84-86) say produced, composed, arranged, e.tc. by Prince and THE REVOLUTION! Wendy and Lisa have said lyrical claimed on Mountains and 17 Days. There maybe others too. Library of Congress: 17 Days Author on © Application: words & music: Prince Nelson (p.k.a. Prince), Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman & Matt Fink. Claimant: Controversy Music Mountains: Author on © Application: words and music: Prince Nelson a.k.a. Prince, Wendy Melvoin & Lisa Coleman. Claimant: Claimant: Controversy Music, Wendy Melvoin & Lisa Coleman ASCAP database: 17 Days: Writers: COLEMAN LISA FINK MATTHEW ROBERT MELVOIN WENDY PRINCE Publisher: Controversy Music Mountains: Writers: COLEMAN LISA MELVOIN WENDY PRINCE Publishers: Controversy Music; WB Music Corp . ALT+PLS+RTN: Pure as a pane of ice. It's a gift. |
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langebleu said: ladygirl99 said: Wendy and Lisa have said lyrical claimed on Mountains and 17 Days. There maybe others too. Library of Congress: 17 Days Author on © Application: words & music: Prince Nelson (p.k.a. Prince), Wendy Melvoin, Lisa Coleman & Matt Fink. Claimant: Controversy Music Mountains: Author on © Application: words and music: Prince Nelson a.k.a. Prince, Wendy Melvoin & Lisa Coleman. Claimant: Claimant: Controversy Music, Wendy Melvoin & Lisa Coleman ASCAP database: 17 Days: Writers: COLEMAN LISA FINK MATTHEW ROBERT MELVOIN WENDY PRINCE Publisher: Controversy Music Mountains: Writers: COLEMAN LISA MELVOIN WENDY PRINCE Publishers: Controversy Music; WB Music Corp . Those are written in alphabetical order not who contributed the most. [Edited 8/9/06 11:21am] I don't really want to b your man..I only want to feel u up | |
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funklover said: I hope this doesn't sound mean because I like Wendy and Lisa.I also think they contributed alot to Princes'music. But if they were such a huge creative force as some people say( the people who claim prince somehow stole his ideas and music from them )then where are the great songs now? I mean come on they didn't do shit after Prince.
Give Seal a listen as Wendy and Lisa work with him Good STUFF! W and L score movies. Sometimes a team is better together than apart. I look at it like they fed off each others energy. I play in a band. I know how it works with different people working together to create a song. You may write the original idea , but if I come in and say "why not change the chord progression? Play the motif here instead there?" I take your idea and change the arrangement. It is still US writing the song. WE made it song good in the end. No it did not come across as mean you are defnding your favorite artist is all. [Edited 8/9/06 11:30am] | |
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Wendy took purple rains chord sequence (created by Prince) & played it in the way which purple rain famously begins.
That is certainly a note worthy contribution, but not worth a writing credit. I think that Wendy harbours a lot of bitter feeling towards the way Prince's career developed withour her. Lisa always seemed more chilled out about it all. I've always liked Lisa, she seems much more genuine. | |
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mikek1 said: Some people may argue that his"best"music came after the Revolution. SOTT and Lovesexy being examples.
W & L wrote half of 'sign of the times'. Whoa you giving my girlies a little too much credit dont ya think lol. I think that Wendy and Lisa had some influence on SOTT but they didn't co-wrote the album. Even Wendy once said she was hurted to hear Prince rerecorded Dream Factory turned into SOTT and barely had any material they worked on from the Dream Factory album. I mean afterall her Lisa and Prince spent long hours in the studio working on that project and I can understand why she felt that way. I would be mad as hell too if I put many hours into a project helping someone but the project doesn't the light of the day. But Wendy said that her and Lisa contribute and wrote a lot to the Dream Factory project. All this straight from the horse's mouth. [Edited 8/9/06 15:41pm] | |
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Judging from all the posts, I guess we'll never know just who composed or co-wrote what. My personal opinion is that he had a little more help then he let on. But he had to make people think that he was a one man band in the studio. | |
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NouveauDance said: > Party Up Based on a 'groove' that Morris Day came up with. Morris had the option of getting paid and credited for that song or have Prince create a group for him, AFAIK. That's how The Time started. |
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HeyJude said: I suspect that Wendy & Lisa contributed to many songs that will never be credited.
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