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Thread started 07/16/06 2:36pm

miguelbulcao

Extent of Prince's input in Madonna's Like a prayer album

Prince must done more than Love Song! Today I listened to my like a prayer cd and I noticed some Prince zest on the bass of Keep it together...


Any more info on this fellow Prince fans? razz
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Reply #1 posted 07/16/06 3:31pm

langebleu

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Read DavidEye's comments in this thread:

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/40919

(It's not clear that Prince's guitar work features on the albums version of the title track, but rather on some remixes)

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Reply #2 posted 07/16/06 11:31pm

FrancerulzV99

miguelbulcao said:

Prince must done more than Love Song! Today I listened to my like a prayer cd and I noticed some Prince zest on the bass of Keep it together...


Any more info on this fellow Prince fans? razz


If there is more, he did too much!
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Reply #3 posted 07/17/06 2:56am

miguelbulcao

FrancerulzV99 said:

miguelbulcao said:

Prince must done more than Love Song! Today I listened to my like a prayer cd and I noticed some Prince zest on the bass of Keep it together...


Any more info on this fellow Prince fans? razz


If there is more, he did too much!


she rewarded him nicely! razz
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Reply #4 posted 07/17/06 3:13am

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i think he MAY have been on "act of contrition" too, but he probably wasn't on anything else except love song
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Reply #5 posted 07/17/06 3:22am

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mrdespues said:

i think he MAY have been on "act of contrition" too, but he probably wasn't on anything else except love song


Did you read the link Langbleu posted? It's been confirmed for a very long time now.
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Reply #6 posted 07/17/06 3:26am

mrdespues

NouveauDance said:

mrdespues said:

i think he MAY have been on "act of contrition" too, but he probably wasn't on anything else except love song


Did you read the link Langbleu posted? It's been confirmed for a very long time now.


confirmed how?

it is only davideye's word as far as i could see on that thread. what is the actual source for saying that prince played on:

like a prayer
act of contrition
keep it together

??

there is no proof that he was on anything else but "love song"!

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Reply #7 posted 07/17/06 4:37am

DavidEye

mrdespues said:

NouveauDance said:



Did you read the link Langbleu posted? It's been confirmed for a very long time now.


confirmed how?

it is only davideye's word as far as i could see on that thread. what is the actual source for saying that prince played on:

like a prayer
act of contrition
keep it together

??

there is no proof that he was on anything else but "love song"!



Actually,it was Madonna herself who confirmed that info.There is a lengthy 1989 article on the making of 'Like A Prayer',if I find it,I'll post it here.
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Reply #8 posted 07/17/06 4:45am

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langebleu said:

Read DavidEye's comments in this thread:

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/40919




That thread is hilarious lol alot of good info,though
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Reply #9 posted 07/17/06 5:01am

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the article I mentioned is in Song Talk magazine,Vol.2,issue #11 (summer 1989):

SONG TALK: "Act of Contrition",the closing track on 'Like A Prayer',has backwards masking and other mysterious elements.Did Prince have anything to do with that one? The credits only say "Produced by the powers that be".

Madonna: "Yeah,he did.He played guitar on it.He also played guitar on "Keep It Together".
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Reply #10 posted 07/17/06 5:16am

mrdespues

DavidEye said:

the article I mentioned is in Song Talk magazine,Vol.2,issue #11 (summer 1989):

SONG TALK: "Act of Contrition",the closing track on 'Like A Prayer',has backwards masking and other mysterious elements.Did Prince have anything to do with that one? The credits only say "Produced by the powers that be".

Madonna: "Yeah,he did.He played guitar on it.He also played guitar on "Keep It Together".


ooh, ok

thankyou, i stand corrected!

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Reply #11 posted 07/17/06 10:00pm

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yeah but Madonna also claims she writes her own songs!!!

I bought the re-issue of her first CD (my favorite of hers) and noticed it saysin bold type "ALL SONGS WRITTEN BY MADONNA" when a trip to the US Copyright database shows that all the singles from the alubm were written by other poeple!


Moreover, all her later alubms she claims to "write" or really "co-written" by here and whomever her current producer is (i.e. she writes the lyrics)
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Reply #12 posted 07/17/06 11:30pm

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GaryMF said:

yeah but Madonna also claims she writes her own songs!!!

I bought the re-issue of her first CD (my favorite of hers) and noticed it saysin bold type "ALL SONGS WRITTEN BY MADONNA" when a trip to the US Copyright database shows that all the singles from the alubm were written by other poeple!


Moreover, all her later alubms she claims to "write" or really "co-written" by here and whomever her current producer is (i.e. she writes the lyrics)


No, she writes MOST of her own songs (not all). She's never claimed to write
songs she hasn't written, and has always been upfront about everything like that.
So don't get it twisted.

Her first album doesn't just say "All songs Written by Madonna"
It says "All songs Written by Madonna, except 'Borderline' and 'Physical
Attraction' written by Reggie Lucas, and 'Holiday' written by Curtis Hudson
and Lisa Stevens". So there's only 3 tracks she didn't write.

And yes, she prefers to co-write songs rather than just do it all herself.
Nothing wrong in that, sometimes she's pretty much written the track solo,
but because she feels that someone else has had a significant input into the
song beyond just 'production', she will credit them. And often it is a
genuine collaboration. But yes, she writes her own lyrics, but usually
only co-writes the music. But that's because she's always after a 'new sound'
and enjoys the process of how her idea for a song can be transformed with
the right person from just a half decent track to a interesting and focused
potential hit single.
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Reply #13 posted 07/17/06 11:35pm

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Just to clear up Prince's contribution to Madonna's Like A Prayer album...

He co-wrote 'Love Song' with her. Though this track did start off as a solo
Prince composition, that was then changed and added to by Madonna. Hence the
co-writing credit. It went backwards and forwards between them a few times, so
it is a genuine collaboration.

Plus he added guitar on two tracks 'Like A Prayer' and 'Keep It Together'.
In the end though, his guitar work on 'Like A Prayer' wasn't really used in
the final mix (though it does show up in one/some of the remixes). But you
can hear some of it in 'Act Of Contrition', which is actually a section of
'Like A Prayer' played backwards with extra vocals etc added.
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Reply #14 posted 07/18/06 9:46am

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BorisFishpaw said:

GaryMF said:

yeah but Madonna also claims she writes her own songs!!!

I bought the re-issue of her first CD (my favorite of hers) and noticed it saysin bold type "ALL SONGS WRITTEN BY MADONNA" when a trip to the US Copyright database shows that all the singles from the alubm were written by other poeple!


Moreover, all her later alubms she claims to "write" or really "co-written" by here and whomever her current producer is (i.e. she writes the lyrics)


No, she writes MOST of her own songs (not all). She's never claimed to write
songs she hasn't written, and has always been upfront about everything like that.
So don't get it twisted.


Her first album doesn't just say "All songs Written by Madonna"
It says "All songs Written by Madonna, except 'Borderline' and 'Physical
Attraction' written by Reggie Lucas, and 'Holiday' written by Curtis Hudson
and Lisa Stevens". So there's only 3 tracks she didn't write.

And yes, she prefers to co-write songs rather than just do it all herself.
Nothing wrong in that, sometimes she's pretty much written the track solo,
but because she feels that someone else has had a significant input into the
song beyond just 'production', she will credit them. And often it is a
genuine collaboration. But yes, she writes her own lyrics, but usually
only co-writes the music. But that's because she's always after a 'new sound'
and enjoys the process of how her idea for a song can be transformed with
the right person from just a half decent track to a interesting and focused
potential hit single.
[Edited 7/17/06 23:43pm]


My new CD of her debu album, the re-issue (I actually re-bought it) doesn't say that others wrote those three. it just says madonna.

Moreover, I once went to the copyright database and looked up all her songs, and 99% if not 100% of her songs were "co-written".....

Given she couldn't play an isntrument til ray of light, i'd bet money the most she does is write lyrics and maybe once in a while hum a melody line.

i was always a fan (until recently) but I never deluded myself into thinking she was a musician.
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Reply #15 posted 07/18/06 10:01am

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Well, I just pulled out the re-issue of Madonna and checked the credits. It indeed says: "All songs Written by Madonna, except 'Borderline' and 'Physical
Attraction' written by Reggie Lucas, and 'Holiday' written by Curtis Hudson
and Lisa Stevens".
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Reply #16 posted 07/18/06 4:05pm

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GaryMF said:


My new CD of her debu album, the re-issue (I actually re-bought it) doesn't say that others wrote those three. it just says madonna.

Then you need to read it again, cuz I can assure you it does.

Moreover, I once went to the copyright database and looked up all her songs, and 99% if not 100% of her songs were "co-written".....

Given she couldn't play an isntrument til ray of light, i'd bet money the most she does is write lyrics and maybe once in a while hum a melody line.

i was always a fan (until recently) but I never deluded myself into thinking she was a musician.

I never said she was a 'musician', but that doesn't mean she has no musical
input into her songs. Plus she didn't just pick up a guitar for Ray of Light,
She played guitar in the band she was in when she first started. There's lots
of 'non-musicians' who still 'write' great music. They just need others to
translate into reality the ideas and sounds they have in their heads.
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Reply #17 posted 07/18/06 4:57pm

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So Boris, do you know the names of the remixes for "Keep It Together" and "Like A Prayer" that contain Prince's guitar work?

I remember buying the album just for "Love Song" and when I heard "Act Of Contrition", I was like "if that ain't Prince, then the world has gone topsy-turvey" lol
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Reply #18 posted 07/18/06 8:56pm

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Is the short guitar intro to Like A Prayer (video?) a brief glimpse of the guitar work?
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Reply #19 posted 07/18/06 9:03pm

GaryMF

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BorisFishpaw said:

GaryMF said:


My new CD of her debu album, the re-issue (I actually re-bought it) doesn't say that others wrote those three. it just says madonna.

Then you need to read it again, cuz I can assure you it does.


I stand corrected. i just found the CD. (atlhough i mnight have been remembering the original CD where mayube it said just her)

nevertheless, the credits are still a sham.....according to the Copyright database, Reggie Lucas also wrote Physical Attraction.....

so why the sham??? Kind of like Prince and the way he credits or doesn't credit people smile.


Moreover, I once went to the copyright database and looked up all her songs, and 99% if not 100% of her songs were "co-written".....

Given she couldn't play an isntrument til ray of light, i'd bet money the most she does is write lyrics and maybe once in a while hum a melody line.

i was always a fan (until recently) but I never deluded myself into thinking she was a musician.

I never said she was a 'musician', but that doesn't mean she has no musical
input into her songs. Plus she didn't just pick up a guitar for Ray of Light,
She played guitar in the band she was in when she first started. There's lots
of 'non-musicians' who still 'write' great music. They just need others to
translate into reality the ideas and sounds they have in their heads.


Yes this is true. Dolly parton, Mariah are great examples.

But i really doubt Madonna could create a song without patrick leanord, stephen breay, William orbit etc. to provide the music

And I think she even admitted she only could strum 1 or 2 chords until she took lessons for Ray of Light.
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Reply #20 posted 07/18/06 10:18pm

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well, we all know of the imfamous "Justify My Love" lawsuit but another interesting 'situation' regarding "Candy Perfurme Girl" and Susannah Melvoin. During one of her Largo shows somebody asked her how the song came about and she said she was writing songs with William Orbit and one day she finds out that one of her songs ends up on a Madonna album. She didnt go into any other details other then to say, "yeah...that was interesting" with a very very odd look on her face.


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Reply #21 posted 07/18/06 10:31pm

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I have the LP and remastered CD versions of the album (gave the regular CD to my sister when I bought the remaster) and the credits are the same for everything. Reggie Lucas got credit for Borderline and Physical Attraction, and Curtis Hudson and Lisa Stevens are credited for Holiday.
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Reply #22 posted 07/18/06 10:33pm

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Change a Word
Claim a Third

seems to be Madonna's mantra when it comes to song credits
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Reply #23 posted 07/19/06 1:32am

DavidEye

BorisFishpaw said:

GaryMF said:


My new CD of her debu album, the re-issue (I actually re-bought it) doesn't say that others wrote those three. it just says madonna.

Then you need to read it again, cuz I can assure you it does.

Moreover, I once went to the copyright database and looked up all her songs, and 99% if not 100% of her songs were "co-written".....

Given she couldn't play an isntrument til ray of light, i'd bet money the most she does is write lyrics and maybe once in a while hum a melody line.

i was always a fan (until recently) but I never deluded myself into thinking she was a musician.

I never said she was a 'musician', but that doesn't mean she has no musical
input into her songs. Plus she didn't just pick up a guitar for Ray of Light,
She played guitar in the band she was in when she first started. There's lots
of 'non-musicians' who still 'write' great music. They just need others to
translate into reality the ideas and sounds they have in their heads.



Exactly.Madonna has never said that she is the female Bob Dylan,and her collaborators are fully credited on her albums.But she writes MOST of her own lyrics (especially on the recent albums) and she has a clear idea of how she wants her music to sound.
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Reply #24 posted 07/19/06 1:41am

DavidEye

GaryMF said:

I really doubt Madonna could create a song without patrick leanord, stephen bray, William orbit etc. to provide the music


Perhaps,but so what? Madonna knows her limitations and she has never tried to pretend that she is the female Mozart.The point is,she has alot of input into her songs.She is not a "producer's puppet" by any means.
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Reply #25 posted 07/19/06 1:44am

DavidEye

Axchi696 said:

I have the LP and remastered CD versions of the album (gave the regular CD to my sister when I bought the remaster) and the credits are the same for everything. Reggie Lucas got credit for Borderline and Physical Attraction, and Curtis Hudson and Lisa Stevens are credited for Holiday.
shrug


I read some interesting comments by Reggie Lucas about the recording of her first album.He says that they clashed repeatedly because Madonna had her own ideas and didn't want to "take orders" from him lol Even at that early stage of her career,she still had her own vision and ideas.
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Reply #26 posted 07/19/06 8:08am

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DavidEye said:

Axchi696 said:

I have the LP and remastered CD versions of the album (gave the regular CD to my sister when I bought the remaster) and the credits are the same for everything. Reggie Lucas got credit for Borderline and Physical Attraction, and Curtis Hudson and Lisa Stevens are credited for Holiday.
shrug


I read some interesting comments by Reggie Lucas about the recording of her first album.He says that they clashed repeatedly because Madonna had her own ideas and didn't want to "take orders" from him lol Even at that early stage of her career,she still had her own vision and ideas.



wait a minute though, so are you saying that a person who stands next to a chef and declares, "i dont like that...make it better". without doing anything beyond dissaproving it should be considered a chef?

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Reply #27 posted 07/19/06 9:10am

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ufoclub said:

Is the short guitar intro to Like A Prayer (video?) a brief glimpse of the guitar work?


Yes, it is. It's a VERY brief snippet of the guitar work Prince did for the track.

When I first heard "Like A Prayer" on the radio, the version I heard was one of the extended mixes, with a Prince guitar solo at the end. Needless to say, I was pissed when I bought the CD and it didn't have that version on it! I later picked up a maxi-single, which ALSO didn't have that mix! To this day, I've only heard the version with Prince's guitar on it once.
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Reply #28 posted 07/19/06 11:46am

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DavidEye said:

the article I mentioned is in Song Talk magazine,Vol.2,issue #11 (summer 1989):

SONG TALK: "Act of Contrition",the closing track on 'Like A Prayer',has backwards masking and other mysterious elements.Did Prince have anything to do with that one? The credits only say "Produced by the powers that be".

Madonna: "Yeah,he did.He played guitar on it.He also played guitar on "Keep It Together".

Yeah, "Act of Contrition" is some evil sounding shit! Anyone who can't tell P is ALL OVER that track on guitar and the production truly doesn't know what Prince sounds like.
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Reply #29 posted 07/19/06 12:15pm

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blackguitaristz said:

DavidEye said:

the article I mentioned is in Song Talk magazine,Vol.2,issue #11 (summer 1989):

SONG TALK: "Act of Contrition",the closing track on 'Like A Prayer',has backwards masking and other mysterious elements.Did Prince have anything to do with that one? The credits only say "Produced by the powers that be".

Madonna: "Yeah,he did.He played guitar on it.He also played guitar on "Keep It Together".

Yeah, "Act of Contrition" is some evil sounding shit! Anyone who can't tell P is ALL OVER that track on guitar and the production truly doesn't know what Prince sounds like.


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