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Irony in Beautiful, Loved and Blessed Always when I hear this song off 3121 the same thought crosses my mind. Time to share and get it off my chest, hopefully then it will not sidetrack me again. Anyhow...
The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name" I think Tamar was named Tamar prior to her being involved with P, unlike Carmen, Vanity, and Appolonia, among others. Also Prince does not seem too controlling over her appearance/stage presence, which he has a reputation for past female proteges. Just seems like these lines would have fit a new female friend Prince has totally molded rather than Tamar. Speaking of Tamar , is her record coming out? merf | |
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You know she's singing to God and not to Prince, right? | |
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booyah said: You know she's singing to God and not to Prince, right?
you beat me to it. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: booyah said: You know she's singing to God and not to Prince, right?
you beat me to it. How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? We Can Funk | |
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Papaj said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you beat me to it. How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? Welllll :shurg: it seems pretty obvious to me (potter=God). But those of us that have that opinion can be wrong. ?Cause me and u could have been a work of art
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Ok, I concede, she is talking to God. So is the record coming out? merf | |
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runningbear said: Ok, I concede, she is talking to God. So is the record coming out?
here's the answer to that. | |
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how can they work on an album when the lights are on but ain't nobody home (working)
metaphorically speaking? 
Handclapsfingasnapz said: runningbear said: Ok, I concede, she is talking to God. So is the record coming out?
here's the answer to that. | |
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Papaj said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you beat me to it. How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? Isaiah 64:8 American Standard Version (ASV) 8 But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. ...I like the SNL version much better! Supa-Star! Never let me slip, cause if I slip, then I'm slippin | |
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lawd...some of ya'll need not to think too "deeply"
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Actually I always thought that line was just a person speeking about a friend that came in your life and gave you direction when you were lost.
But yeah it does seem Prince is much looser with Tamar...strict in the fact that he demands 110% of her energy but loose in the fact that he probably allowes her to dress how she wants and maybe she even gets some imput on songs she wants to cover. Much different than his past female proteges. | |
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this damn song has nothing to do with Tamar and Prince as some couple or whatever.
Ya'll reachin'..... GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY!!! | |
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Rhondab said: ...GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY!!!
Man I wish I could!!! I'm stuck here behind this desk... 
Only 2 more hours and it's ...   ...Ok not mayby not - Just a beer then.Never let me slip, cause if I slip, then I'm slippin | |
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runningbear said:[quote]
The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name" quote] Pardon me for not having my 3121 lyrics with me at work, but I always thought she said "eye was formless, U gave me a new name" Anybody? A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise. | |
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callmej5 said:[quote] runningbear said: The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name" quote] Pardon me for not having my 3121 lyrics with me at work, but I always thought she said "eye was formless, U gave me a new name" Anybody? You're absolutely RIGHT! "When U found me I was just a piece of clay I was 4mless, U gave me a new name..." Never let me slip, cause if I slip, then I'm slippin | |
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7teen said:[quote] callmej5 said: runningbear said: The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name" quote] Pardon me for not having my 3121 lyrics with me at work, but I always thought she said "eye was formless, U gave me a new name" Anybody? You're absolutely RIGHT! "When U found me I was just a piece of clay I was 4mless, U gave me a new name..." Aimless didn't seem to make sense, so thanks for the cosign A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise. | |
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It's a beautiful song about God and nothing else  . | |
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Papaj said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you beat me to it. How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? God wouldn't push her album back every month. | |
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sitruk7 said: Papaj said: How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? God wouldn't push her album back every month. oh really " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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I always thought the line was:
"Eye was formless, you gave me a new shape." | |
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jsb23nc said: I always thought the line was:
"Eye was formless, you gave me a new shape." That what I thought it should have been but the lyrics are "new name".  | |
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i think this is one of the most sincere tracks on the album,
especially P's voice at the beginning of his part in the duet. their relationship appears nothing but professional to me. and i sense their 'friendship' has been nothing but helpful to P during this difficult time. i really liked the hug HE REACHED FOR HER ON SNL. cause she was so not expecting it. and it appeared HE NEEDED THE HUG 
she generously and graciously gave it to him. i enjoyed seeing HIM "vulnerable" on stage, performing such a sweet, heart-based song. i think the point of the song, like many of P's songs is multi-faceted. it has a biblical reference (potter/clay), but perhaps it was inspired by a real friend in real life that he put into a biblical and universal framework.  i'm just sad for her that HER album's not happenin' . . .[Edited 7/28/06 22:26pm] | |
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FamilyFeud said: i think this is one of the most sincere tracks on the album,
especially P's voice at the beginning of his part in the duet. their relationship appears nothing but professional to me. and i sense their 'friendship' has been nothing but helpful to P during this difficult time. i really liked the hug HE REACHED FOR HER ON SNL. cause she was so not expecting it. and it appeared HE NEEDED THE HUG
she generously and graciously gave it to him. i enjoyed seeing HIM "vulnerable" on stage, performing such a sweet, heart-based song. i think the point of the song, like many of P's songs is multi-faceted. it has a biblical reference (potter/clay), but perhaps it was inspired by a real friend in real life that he put into a biblical and universal framework. i'm just sad for her that HER album's not happenin' . . .
[Edited 7/28/06 22:26pm] I totally agree. The song does appear to have a double meaning. It's not just a straight forward song about God, it's also a song about a friendship(platonic) between two people. Here's a gif of the hug. P looked to be very proud of his mentee.  [Edited 7/28/06 23:22pm] | |
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PurpleCharm said: FamilyFeud said: i think this is one of the most sincere tracks on the album,
especially P's voice at the beginning of his part in the duet. their relationship appears nothing but professional to me. and i sense their 'friendship' has been nothing but helpful to P during this difficult time. i really liked the hug HE REACHED FOR HER ON SNL. cause she was so not expecting it. and it appeared HE NEEDED THE HUG
she generously and graciously gave it to him. i enjoyed seeing HIM "vulnerable" on stage, performing such a sweet, heart-based song. i think the point of the song, like many of P's songs is multi-faceted. it has a biblical reference (potter/clay), but perhaps it was inspired by a real friend in real life that he put into a biblical and universal framework. i'm just sad for her that HER album's not happenin' . . .
[Edited 7/28/06 22:26pm] I totally agree. The song does appear to have a double meaning. It's not just a straight forward song about God, it's also a song about a friendship(platonic) between two people. Here's a gif of the hug. P looked to be very proud of his mentee.
[Edited 7/28/06 23:22pm] Unfortunately though, sometimes love will find you when you are not even thinking about it, and they do spend a lot of time in the studio together. Sometimes things happen unexpectingly. | |
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tonderlearia said: PurpleCharm said: I totally agree. The song does appear to have a double meaning. It's not just a straight forward song about God, it's also a song about a friendship(platonic) between two people. Here's a gif of the hug. P looked to be very proud of his mentee.
[Edited 7/28/06 23:22pm] Unfortunately though, sometimes love will find you when you are not even thinking about it, and they do spend a lot of time in the studio together. Sometimes things happen unexpectingly. so are you saying they are together? the question is... when are they breaking up? | |
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I am SURE both Carmen and Appolonia used those names BEFORE they hooked up with prince.. i MIGHT be mistaken with Carmen but I KNOW Appolonia did. | |
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SlamGlam said: I am SURE both Carmen and Appolonia used those names BEFORE they hooked up with prince.. i MIGHT be mistaken with Carmen but I KNOW Appolonia did.
Wrong on both counts. Both have stated that Prince came up with their stage names. Prince got "Apollonia" after watching The Godfather (Michael Corleone's first wife was named "Apollonia"). 
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7teen said: Papaj said: How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? Isaiah 64:8 American Standard Version (ASV) 8 But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. ...I like the SNL version much better! Supa-Star! ASV  | |
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Papaj said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: you beat me to it. How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to? Several reasons: When U found me, I was just a piece of clay
I was formless, U gave me a new name With the breath of life I now live abundantly All I needed was the potter's hand As previously mentioned, this is a reference to Isaiah 64:8. And the blood on Calvary
Calvary is the name of the hill where Christ was crucified. But 2 much power (Tell it)
Can sometimes turn 2 shame 2 much desire Sometimes make U feel the same (Come on) But 4giveness is how U win the game I begged 4 truth, now I know the truth And that is when U came and said I was... Forgiveness? Truth? This is Prince writing this, so religious meanings of these words are pretty clear in this context. Everything U made U said, "That's good"
B4 the fall of man U said, "That's good" Every time I walk in faith, that's good U let me see another day, that's good "Everything U made"? Sounds like God to me. Talk of "the fall of man" is also a Biblical reference. "walking in faith"? Sounds pretty much like a spiritual spin. "U let me see another day"? If this was "just a friend", as some have suggested, then how do have the power of life or death over this person? B4 the earth was made U said, "Támar,
I will lead the way and U'll go far" So, who could make declarations before the earth was made? 
I certainly think SOME of Prince's songs could have dual-meanings, but not this one. This tune is pretty straight-forward in its spiritual message.
Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9) | |
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JediMaster said:[quote] Papaj said: "Everything U made"? Sounds like God to me. Talk of "the fall of man" is also a Biblical reference. "walking in faith"? Sounds pretty much like a spiritual spin. "U let me see another day"? If this was "just a friend", as some have suggested, then how do have the power of life or death over this person? B4 the earth was made U said, "Támar,
I will lead the way and U'll go far" So, who could make declarations before the earth was made?
I certainly think SOME of Prince's songs could have dual-meanings, but not this one. This tune is pretty straight-forward in its spiritual message. this is definitely prince talking about himself and his own experience here! tamar is just a mouthpiece. word, my jedi-friend! | |
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