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Thread started 07/28/06 10:33am

runningbear

Irony in Beautiful, Loved and Blessed

Always when I hear this song off 3121 the same thought crosses my mind. Time to share and get it off my chest, hopefully then it will not sidetrack me again. Anyhow...

The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name"

I think Tamar was named Tamar prior to her being involved with P, unlike Carmen, Vanity, and Appolonia, among others. Also Prince does not seem too controlling over her appearance/stage presence, which he has a reputation for past female proteges. Just seems like these lines would have fit a new female friend Prince has totally molded rather than Tamar.

Speaking of Tamar , is her record coming out?
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Reply #1 posted 07/28/06 10:45am

booyah

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You know she's singing to God and not to Prince, right?
I am one of the Orgeanic 6
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Reply #2 posted 07/28/06 10:47am

Handclapsfinga
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booyah said:

You know she's singing to God and not to Prince, right?

you beat me to it.
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Reply #3 posted 07/28/06 10:50am

Papaj

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Handclapsfingasnapz said:

booyah said:

You know she's singing to God and not to Prince, right?

you beat me to it.


How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?
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Reply #4 posted 07/28/06 10:55am

interpret

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Papaj said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


you beat me to it.


How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?



Welllll :shurg: it seems pretty obvious to me (potter=God). But those of us that have that opinion can be wrong.
?Cause me and u could have been a work of art

BE BLESSED!!
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Reply #5 posted 07/28/06 10:56am

runningbear

Ok, I concede, she is talking to God. So is the record coming out?
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Reply #6 posted 07/28/06 10:58am

Handclapsfinga
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runningbear said:

Ok, I concede, she is talking to God. So is the record coming out?

here's the answer to that.
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Reply #7 posted 07/28/06 11:10am

CapedCrusader

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how can they work on an album when the lights are on but ain't nobody home (working)

metaphorically speaking?

bat


Handclapsfingasnapz said:

runningbear said:

Ok, I concede, she is talking to God. So is the record coming out?

here's the answer to that.
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Reply #8 posted 07/28/06 11:41am

7teen

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Papaj said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


you beat me to it.


How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?


Isaiah 64:8
American Standard Version (ASV)

8 But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

...I like the SNL version much better! Supa-Star!
Never let me slip, cause if I slip, then I'm slippin
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Reply #9 posted 07/28/06 11:51am

Rhondab

lawd...some of ya'll need not to think too "deeply"

lol
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Reply #10 posted 07/28/06 11:53am

Krystal666

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Actually I always thought that line was just a person speeking about a friend that came in your life and gave you direction when you were lost.

But yeah it does seem Prince is much looser with Tamar...strict in the fact that he demands 110% of her energy but loose in the fact that he probably allowes her to dress how she wants and maybe she even gets some imput on songs she wants to cover. Much different than his past female proteges.
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Reply #11 posted 07/28/06 11:58am

Rhondab

this damn song has nothing to do with Tamar and Prince as some couple or whatever.

Ya'll reachin'.....


GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY!!! lol
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Reply #12 posted 07/28/06 12:10pm

7teen

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Rhondab said:

...GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY!!! lol


Man I wish I could!!! I'm stuck here behind this desk... geek

Only 2 more hours and it's ... weed stoned ...Ok not mayby not - Just a beer then.
Never let me slip, cause if I slip, then I'm slippin
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Reply #13 posted 07/28/06 12:32pm

callmej5

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runningbear said:[quote]

The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name"
quote]

Pardon me for not having my 3121 lyrics with me at work, but I always thought she said "eye was formless, U gave me a new name"
Anybody?
A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise.
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Reply #14 posted 07/28/06 12:41pm

7teen

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callmej5 said:[quote]

runningbear said:



The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name"
quote]

Pardon me for not having my 3121 lyrics with me at work, but I always thought she said "eye was formless, U gave me a new name"
Anybody?


You're absolutely RIGHT!

"When U found me I was just a piece of clay
I was 4mless, U gave me a new name..."
Never let me slip, cause if I slip, then I'm slippin
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Reply #15 posted 07/28/06 12:44pm

callmej5

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7teen said:[quote]

callmej5 said:

runningbear said:



The lines sung by Tamar "When You found me I was just a piece of clay, eye was aimless, U gave me a new name"
quote]

Pardon me for not having my 3121 lyrics with me at work, but I always thought she said "eye was formless, U gave me a new name"
Anybody?


You're absolutely RIGHT!

"When U found me I was just a piece of clay
I was 4mless, U gave me a new name..."


Aimless didn't seem to make sense, so thanks for the cosign
A prince never lacks legitimate reasons to break his promise.
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Reply #16 posted 07/28/06 5:04pm

nurse

It's a beautiful song about God and nothing else wink .
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Reply #17 posted 07/28/06 5:55pm

sitruk7

Papaj said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


you beat me to it.


How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?

God wouldn't push her album back every month.
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Reply #18 posted 07/28/06 6:01pm

sacredwarrior

sitruk7 said:

Papaj said:



How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?

God wouldn't push her album back every month.


oh really
" the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below.
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Reply #19 posted 07/28/06 9:09pm

jsb23nc

I always thought the line was:

"Eye was formless, you gave me a new shape."
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Reply #20 posted 07/28/06 9:22pm

SexyBeautifulO
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jsb23nc said:

I always thought the line was:

"Eye was formless, you gave me a new shape."


That what I thought it should have been but the lyrics are "new name". shrug
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Reply #21 posted 07/28/06 10:18pm

FamilyFeud

i think this is one of the most sincere tracks on the album,
especially P's voice at the beginning of his part in the duet.

their relationship appears nothing but professional to me.
and i sense their 'friendship' has been nothing but helpful to P
during this difficult time. i really liked the hug HE REACHED FOR HER ON SNL.
cause she was so not expecting it. and it appeared HE NEEDED THE HUG omg
she generously and graciously gave it to him. i enjoyed seeing HIM
"vulnerable" on stage, performing such a sweet, heart-based song.

i think the point of the song, like many of P's songs is multi-faceted.
it has a biblical reference (potter/clay), but perhaps it was inspired
by a real friend in real life that he put into a biblical and universal framework.

innocent i'm just sad for her that HER album's not happenin' . . .
[Edited 7/28/06 22:26pm]
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Reply #22 posted 07/28/06 11:04pm

PurpleCharm

FamilyFeud said:

i think this is one of the most sincere tracks on the album,
especially P's voice at the beginning of his part in the duet.

their relationship appears nothing but professional to me.
and i sense their 'friendship' has been nothing but helpful to P
during this difficult time. i really liked the hug HE REACHED FOR HER ON SNL.
cause she was so not expecting it. and it appeared HE NEEDED THE HUG omg
she generously and graciously gave it to him. i enjoyed seeing HIM
"vulnerable" on stage, performing such a sweet, heart-based song.

i think the point of the song, like many of P's songs is multi-faceted.
it has a biblical reference (potter/clay), but perhaps it was inspired
by a real friend in real life that he put into a biblical and universal framework.

innocent i'm just sad for her that HER album's not happenin' . . .
[Edited 7/28/06 22:26pm]

I totally agree. The song does appear to have a double meaning. It's not just a straight forward song about God, it's also a song about a friendship(platonic) between two people.

Here's a gif of the hug. P looked to be very proud of his mentee.


[Edited 7/28/06 23:22pm]
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Reply #23 posted 07/30/06 8:25am

tonderlearia

PurpleCharm said:

FamilyFeud said:

i think this is one of the most sincere tracks on the album,
especially P's voice at the beginning of his part in the duet.

their relationship appears nothing but professional to me.
and i sense their 'friendship' has been nothing but helpful to P
during this difficult time. i really liked the hug HE REACHED FOR HER ON SNL.
cause she was so not expecting it. and it appeared HE NEEDED THE HUG omg
she generously and graciously gave it to him. i enjoyed seeing HIM
"vulnerable" on stage, performing such a sweet, heart-based song.

i think the point of the song, like many of P's songs is multi-faceted.
it has a biblical reference (potter/clay), but perhaps it was inspired
by a real friend in real life that he put into a biblical and universal framework.

innocent i'm just sad for her that HER album's not happenin' . . .
[Edited 7/28/06 22:26pm]

I totally agree. The song does appear to have a double meaning. It's not just a straight forward song about God, it's also a song about a friendship(platonic) between two people.

Here's a gif of the hug. P looked to be very proud of his mentee.


[Edited 7/28/06 23:22pm]


Unfortunately though, sometimes love will find you when you are not even thinking about it, and they do spend a lot of time in the studio together. Sometimes things happen unexpectingly.
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Reply #24 posted 07/30/06 9:59pm

maniraptess

tonderlearia said:

PurpleCharm said:


I totally agree. The song does appear to have a double meaning. It's not just a straight forward song about God, it's also a song about a friendship(platonic) between two people.

Here's a gif of the hug. P looked to be very proud of his mentee.


[Edited 7/28/06 23:22pm]


Unfortunately though, sometimes love will find you when you are not even thinking about it, and they do spend a lot of time in the studio together. Sometimes things happen unexpectingly.



so are you saying they are together? the question is... when are they breaking up?
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Reply #25 posted 07/30/06 10:21pm

SlamGlam

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I am SURE both Carmen and Appolonia used those names BEFORE they hooked up with prince.. i MIGHT be mistaken with Carmen but I KNOW Appolonia did.
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Reply #26 posted 07/31/06 6:34am

JediMaster

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SlamGlam said:

I am SURE both Carmen and Appolonia used those names BEFORE they hooked up with prince.. i MIGHT be mistaken with Carmen but I KNOW Appolonia did.


Wrong on both counts. Both have stated that Prince came up with their stage names. Prince got "Apollonia" after watching The Godfather (Michael Corleone's first wife was named "Apollonia").
jedi

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Reply #27 posted 07/31/06 6:46am

Heiress

7teen said:

Papaj said:



How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?


Isaiah 64:8
American Standard Version (ASV)

8 But now, O Jehovah, thou art our Father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

...I like the SNL version much better! Supa-Star!


ASV mushy
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Reply #28 posted 07/31/06 6:48am

JediMaster

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Papaj said:

Handclapsfingasnapz said:


you beat me to it.


How can y'all be sure who she is singing it to?


Several reasons:



When U found me, I was just a piece of clay
I was formless, U gave me a new name
With the breath of life I now live abundantly
All I needed was the potter's hand


As previously mentioned, this is a reference to Isaiah 64:8.

And the blood on Calvary


Calvary is the name of the hill where Christ was crucified.


But 2 much power (Tell it)
Can sometimes turn 2 shame
2 much desire
Sometimes make U feel the same (Come on)
But 4giveness is how U win the game
I begged 4 truth, now I know the truth
And that is when U came and said I was...


Forgiveness? Truth? This is Prince writing this, so religious meanings of these words are pretty clear in this context.



Everything U made U said, "That's good"
B4 the fall of man U said, "That's good"
Every time I walk in faith, that's good
U let me see another day, that's good


"Everything U made"? Sounds like God to me.

Talk of "the fall of man" is also a Biblical reference. "walking in faith"? Sounds pretty much like a spiritual spin. "U let me see another day"? If this was "just a friend", as some have suggested, then how do have the power of life or death over this person?


B4 the earth was made U said, "Támar,
I will lead the way and U'll go far"


So, who could make declarations before the earth was made? hmmm

I certainly think SOME of Prince's songs could have dual-meanings, but not this one. This tune is pretty straight-forward in its spiritual message.
jedi

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Reply #29 posted 07/31/06 6:50am

Heiress

JediMaster said:[quote]

Papaj said:



"Everything U made"? Sounds like God to me.

Talk of "the fall of man" is also a Biblical reference. "walking in faith"? Sounds pretty much like a spiritual spin. "U let me see another day"? If this was "just a friend", as some have suggested, then how do have the power of life or death over this person?


B4 the earth was made U said, "Támar,
I will lead the way and U'll go far"


So, who could make declarations before the earth was made? hmmm

I certainly think SOME of Prince's songs could have dual-meanings, but not this one. This tune is pretty straight-forward in its spiritual message.


this is definitely prince talking about himself and his own experience here! tamar is just a mouthpiece.

word, my jedi-friend!
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