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PrintableIceNine said: MusicAngel said: New Agers use the rainbow to signify their building of the Rainbow Bridge (antahkarana) between man and Lucifer.
HOLY SHIT!!! I AM A NEW-AGER! BRING FORTH THE MOST LUGUBRIOUS ONE! By the way... see you later, MusicAngel... good luck and be happy. the most lubricated one !!! lol!! | |
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Aerogram said: Diva said: I understand that, but to me whether MusicAngel leaves permanently or not is not particularly the point, it's just interesting how easily people jump at the chance to be cruel to others, or hit them with their "clever" one liners... is it really justified to insult this one person because of a collective irritation with some people who keep threatening to leave and never do? That alone is not a very good reason, you're right, but if you consider MA wrote... "Then comes The Rainbow Children, first I was surprised by the title. With Prince's new found "religious" beliefs, did he not know anything about the negative connotations now associated with the rainbow? Listening to the CD, I was shocked. Besides the few lines that are blatantly JW, there was so much else that seemed so distorted, so wrong. My husband then walked in and listened to some of it and read some of the lyrics. He was also shocked but made a joke the way he always does, telling me, "Like I said, Prince is one fudged-up little cracker!" I have not been able to listen TRC all the way through since then. " Doesn't convey a whole lot of tolerance, eh? I think in this case, it's the mix of announced departure and what a lot of people would consider to be narrow-mindedness. Beliefs are beliefs, and whether you are Michelangelo or Prince, the art that serves to express them is still art. So when people on a fan site see someone who apparently demonstrates little tolerance for a work like TRC, they react in kind, on top of the usual cynicism about announced departure. Is it right? No. Is it predictable? Yes... especially if the person leaving has a nick with the word "angel" in it (kind of a nice role to pick for oneself, no?). In other words, yes people are a bit "hard-hearted", but they've also been subjected to a lot of these dramatic departures, sometimes by people who are being judgmental. I wouldn't so much judge THEM than look at it in context. There's usually a dynamic at play when so many people react the same way. I do understand what you're saying, but I'm sure you'll agree when you say "There's usually a dynamic at play when so many people react the same way" that a significant part of the dynamic at play lately is that it's "cooler" (for lack of a better term) to react negatively to others than to do the opposite. In my original post on this thread, I wasn't strictly just talking about the reactions given to MusicAngel, but was rather commenting on just what I've observed generally, and that is that some people here tend to be rewarding each other for who can be the most callous in their responses to those "we've" ordained appropriate to mock relentlessly. Of course I don't deny that many people here dig their own graves, so to speak , and maybe should expect to get the reactions they do, but I can't help but feel that in many cases the collective verbal bashing some people get here is unwarranted. But in truth it doesn't matter what I think, people must be whoever they want to be, and react in any way they deem appropriate for themselves. I don't want to be self-righteous and holier-than-thou about this... because that's not how I feel, it's just that people so easily forget there are real people behind the computer screens and what they say can be hurtful. Yes this is just a website, and people shouldn't let themselves be vulnerable to what others are saying about them, especially when you hardly know most of them, but at the same time I just don't quite understand why some feel it's so necessary to be as harsh as they are in their responses, granted it is amusing to some... but at the same time it often does go beyond harmless teasing and messing around... but such is life... right or wrong, that's just the way it is.. all I'm saying is that it has become a lot more prevalent here recently. --»You're my favourite moment, you're my Saturday... | |
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2the9s said: With all due respect though Anxiety, (to both you and to Ben and Matt) why is it up to Ben and Matt to set the parameters for any community? (Other than obviously creating the site.) Or for it to be successful based on what they do once the site is set up? Why are the dynamics of an online community any different than any other social dynamic? If someone wants to announce that they are leaving, it could be for a very good reason. I've seen people post more personal stuff here and not get flamed for it; and not be called "drama queens." Any sense of community comes from our behavior, how we react to others. Sure it's "just a website." But does that mean we throw all courtesy out the window?
If this place isn't a community, well, in this case we can't blame Matt and Ben for that. When people start seeing the Org as a "collective" entity instead of as individuals, then in my mind it stops being a community. We don't have to like or even know MusicAngel, but why do people find it necessary to dog her? This isn't some fraternity where we all have to think alike and be in lockstep, but instead a wide variety of people, to whom this site may mean different things. I don't even know MusicAngel, which is all the more reason why I wouldn't claim that what she was doing was simply attention-seeking. I like to read why people make decisions about these things. I dislike seeing comments like "don't let the door hit you..." Or "Drama queens.." etc. I realize the logistical nightmare of everyone announcing their departures and entrances, but I also am sorry when people I have come to know and like just disappear without a word. Likewise, I think those who announce their entrances seem to have a better chance of penetrating that Oldie/Newbie divide, the existence of which is also a staple of most online communities, but the strength of which in my mind is an index of the weakness of a community. We don't need inner circles and villians and role players and that bullshit. The more we see this site as static, the more static it becomes. The more we long for the past, the harder it becomes to see the present. Anyway, Anxiety, I am directing this at you, but since I think you have always been an important contributor to the dynamic of this site I obviously mean nothing personal by it. I was just shocked and a little dismayed by the uniform reaction to MusicAngel's announcement. 2the9s  --»You're my favourite moment, you're my Saturday... | |
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Ecclesiastes chaper 12 verse 12 should be read by this chick...Or anyone who reads all the rhetoric and philosophy of mere men and take it to heart and mind. | |
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MusicAngel said: And now to the org. There has been way too much negativity here lately, a lot of hate, anger and insults being thrown around. It used to be a fun place, it's not anymore. So I'm leaving. Oh please tell me that I had nothing to do with your decision. Fuckface. Get your whiny ass out of here and don't ever show your face again. I'll inform the Britney site that they've got another member. | |
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Let's see...should I say it?
Nah! That's allright. Bye, girl. Try to get some help with "them voices"... I hear they can be devilish! 
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sayonara.  | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: rdhull said: Ifsixwuz9 said: Oh for pete's sake why don't people just delete the damn account and go. Why is an announcement necessary?
It has to do with Shakespeare. Ah, drama Sort of...everytime in Shakespeare when someone would leave the room,country,take a dump,or be on their deathbed they would speak a long sililoquy etc. "Climb in my fur." | |
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well... from what i remember of your posts and a brief exchange of org notes, you were part of the negativity that you so despise... so perhaps it's just as well that you leave and try to find some positivity elsewhere.
mejte se hezky... | |
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Take care, MusicAngel... | |
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Bye Musicangel. | |
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Vagina said: Honey Angel there really is SOMETHING SERIOUSLY WRONG WITH YOU! Find a PSYCHIATRIST RIGHT AWAY. You are INSANE. Anyone who goes off like this is UNSTABLE. Rainbow Children is Wonderful. Prince is wonderful and the JWS are not an Evil bunch neither is being RELIGIOUS. Nobody said you had to be a NUN and you are Human and there is FREE Will. You are taking things WAY Too SERIOUSLY. You need a LOBOTOMY and a VACATION. WHICHEVER comes first . GET YOUR BRAIN CHECKED sounds like a CASE of TOO MUCH CRACK cause you sure as Hell are CRACKING-UP ! Boy are you a Head-Case. Stupidity Reins SUPREME. You should DEFINITELY Leave . ARREVIDERCHI BAMBINA. Caio.
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Diva said: Aerogram said: Diva said: I understand that, but to me whether MusicAngel leaves permanently or not is not particularly the point, it's just interesting how easily people jump at the chance to be cruel to others, or hit them with their "clever" one liners... is it really justified to insult this one person because of a collective irritation with some people who keep threatening to leave and never do? That alone is not a very good reason, you're right, but if you consider MA wrote... "Then comes The Rainbow Children, first I was surprised by the title. With Prince's new found "religious" beliefs, did he not know anything about the negative connotations now associated with the rainbow? Listening to the CD, I was shocked. Besides the few lines that are blatantly JW, there was so much else that seemed so distorted, so wrong. My husband then walked in and listened to some of it and read some of the lyrics. He was also shocked but made a joke the way he always does, telling me, "Like I said, Prince is one fudged-up little cracker!" I have not been able to listen TRC all the way through since then. " Doesn't convey a whole lot of tolerance, eh? I think in this case, it's the mix of announced departure and what a lot of people would consider to be narrow-mindedness. Beliefs are beliefs, and whether you are Michelangelo or Prince, the art that serves to express them is still art. So when people on a fan site see someone who apparently demonstrates little tolerance for a work like TRC, they react in kind, on top of the usual cynicism about announced departure. Is it right? No. Is it predictable? Yes... especially if the person leaving has a nick with the word "angel" in it (kind of a nice role to pick for oneself, no?). In other words, yes people are a bit "hard-hearted", but they've also been subjected to a lot of these dramatic departures, sometimes by people who are being judgmental. I wouldn't so much judge THEM than look at it in context. There's usually a dynamic at play when so many people react the same way. I do understand what you're saying, but I'm sure you'll agree when you say "There's usually a dynamic at play when so many people react the same way" that a significant part of the dynamic at play lately is that it's "cooler" (for lack of a better term) to react negatively to others than to do the opposite. In my original post on this thread, I wasn't strictly just talking about the reactions given to MusicAngel, but was rather commenting on just what I've observed generally, and that is that some people here tend to be rewarding each other for who can be the most callous in their responses to those "we've" ordained appropriate to mock relentlessly. Of course I don't deny that many people here dig their own graves, so to speak , and maybe should expect to get the reactions they do, but I can't help but feel that in many cases the collective verbal bashing some people get here is unwarranted. But in truth it doesn't matter what I think, people must be whoever they want to be, and react in any way they deem appropriate for themselves. I don't want to be self-righteous and holier-than-thou about this... because that's not how I feel, it's just that people so easily forget there are real people behind the computer screens and what they say can be hurtful. Yes this is just a website, and people shouldn't let themselves be vulnerable to what others are saying about them, especially when you hardly know most of them, but at the same time I just don't quite understand why some feel it's so necessary to be as harsh as they are in their responses, granted it is amusing to some... but at the same time it often does go beyond harmless teasing and messing around... but such is life... right or wrong, that's just the way it is.. all I'm saying is that it has become a lot more prevalent here recently. This is all very reasonable, yet I want to add... - people who leave don't always get this reaction. Why was it that way? I don't think it's primarily the present atmosphere at the Org, although that might have contributed to the reaction. It was the manner, I think.. - I feel that the "hard-hearted" part is a bit overstated, because it's mostly been directed at a single poster that I don't need to name. I wouldn't confuse that with what happened in MA's case. (not that you did... bear with me... there is a point) They are very different situations. - That other poster did things on an unprecedented scale in nearly all channels of communication the Org has to offer. It continued for far too long. Some people forgave and forgot, only to witness the same pattern again. Was it wrong to react to it? Not per se... Was the manner rude and heavyhanded? Certainly, but it reflected the kind of reactions people got from this poster. Not too many things were off limit, you see...so when people reacted, they felt they should serve this poster her own medicine. I personally refrained from doing that, but I could see why people didn't feel they were out of line. From this activity, it can easily be concluded we are more "hard-hearted", but I really think that is a circumstantial impression brought on by a new format and one particularly unpleasant case. The rest is business as usual -- you've got your odes to so and so to the right, and your poop-flinging incidents to the left. I don't think we are collectively harsher, considering the format and what I,ve seen on other sites and AMP The Org has lots of kind people that just seem a bit more impatient lately due to circumstances. [This message was edited Wed Jul 31 14:24:09 PDT 2002 by Aerogram] | |
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2the9' s said: With all due respect though Anxiety, (to both you and to Ben and Matt) why is it up to Ben and Matt to set the parameters for any community? (Other than obviously creating the site.) Or for it to be successful based on what they do once the site is set up? Why are the dynamics of an online community any different than any other social dynamic? If someone wants to announce that they are leaving, it could be for a very good reason. I've seen people post more personal stuff here and not get flamed for it; and not be called "drama queens." Any sense of community comes from our behavior, how we react to others. Sure it's "just a website." But does that mean we throw all courtesy out the window?
I agree. But the unfortunate thing is that people too often don't think before they post. That goes for Musicangel for the way she started this thread (which i willexplain later) and it goes for everybody who thought it was really that necessary to flame her off the site for it. People don't realise that the words they say are read by the mind of another human being. It is not that different from the 'real world'. However... I must say that the entire way Musicangel has handled this that the reactions are pretty logicval too. The title is something that irritates many people here. It comes across as self absorbed and overly attention seeking. This usually brings out the flamers. But then it is especially the entire content of her story and the her "opinions" that really are completely out of line and with much disrespect towards Prince... which is fine in the sense that she is entitled to her opinion, but coming her to the org, announcing your departure and then coming offf with a load of bollox given to you by some authors who have an outrageous state of a xenophobic mind towards Jehova witnesses and theories, like the Akashic records, who are also used by occultism, but just the same have value in Hundism... I can't get to no other conclusion that Musicangel really thinks that all these things are "evil" in some sort of way and that she is now trying to let the whole prince community know that therefore Prince is also under the influence of this "evil"... whatever that really may be. I see no evil in theories about the occult... I see only evil in people who indoctrinate others with books, hating everything that he is not shared by their own "faith". there is only one word for this mess: xenophobia. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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2the9s said: With all due respect though Anxiety, (to both you and to Ben and Matt) why is it up to Ben and Matt to set the parameters for any community? (Other than obviously creating the site.) Or for it to be successful based on what they do once the site is set up? Whether or not it is up to Ben and Matt to set the parameters for the community on this website, the fact is, they HAVE set parameters, both in theory and, more effectively, through their actions. To me, those parameters have sent a loud and clear message that this site is a creative/professional project FOR THEIR BENEFIT first and foremost, which I must once again stress is COMPLETELY fair and justified, and that the community that has grown as a result of their creative efforts is a byproduct which is subject to their personal sensibilities. It's like visiting someone's house and they make you take off your shoes before you come in, and you have to put a towel down before you're allowed to sit on any of the furniture. Okay, maybe they're not THAT bad, but it's made clear that we aren't to get TOO comfortable with our thoughts and opinions around here, because they can be wiped away without a moment's notice. I personally think their standards are arbitrary and lacking insight. But who cares what I think? It's not my site. If I don't like it, I can go elsewhere. And overwhelmingly, I have. I reserve the right to both respect and disagree with their decisions on their creation, and I will enjoy it as best I can within their PARAMETERS, but I will not embrace it the way that I did in the past. There's a big difference between disappointment and hard feelings. I'm disappointed in the direction of this site. I have no hard feelings. I don't know Ben and Matt. I'm sure they're fine people. I just happen to disagree with their social asthetic. Fine. Diff'rent strokes... But with all due respect to you and your amazing contributions on here, 2the9s, they HAVE set parameters. They HAVE policed the direction of the community of this site. And those decisions have ultimately reminded me that, ya know what, It's Only A Website. Why are the dynamics of an online community any different than any other social dynamic?
Because most "real time" social dynamics aren't OWNED by someone. There's no solid sense of propriety. Sure there might be the Alpha Male/Female figure who tends to be the "leader" of the pack, but that's not a black-and-white declaration of ownership in the same sense as putting tons of time and money into a device that people are invited to interact with. The people who own this site own our capabilities to communicate with each other ON this site. That's how I see a difference. And again, not to sound like a broken record, but let us remember that it is TOTALLY within their right to take such ownership. They can be "wrong" as can be to each of us, individually. It's really not our call to make. It's not our house. We only visit it. As for flaming someone for making their grand Org farewell, I'll say that I have nothing against MusicAngel personally. I don't know her history, I don't know the muck she may or may not have raked, and I don't know if she was liked, disliked, ignored or whatever. She just happened to be the catalyst for my rant, because it's been a habit among "ex" Orgers lately that I find particularly weird and annoying. Maybe there are perfectly sound reasons for a person to announce the cancellation of their account. Maybe I have some sound points in my criticism. Maybe not. When someone leaves the Org, it's not like they're throwing on a backpack, heading for the mountains, and walking away from the best years of their lives. Chances are they live in the same house, have the same job, and even have the same e-mail account at which you can write them every day! And it's not as if that person is banned. They can change their minds, come back, and the world keeps on spinning. It's only a website. And that, I suppose, is my point. I think the "clever one-liner" responses are negligible and to be expected. People are going to be snarky and bitchy. Hi. It's the Internet. Care for some gum? If this place isn't a community, well, in this case we can't blame Matt and Ben for that.
I think "blame" is too strong a word, but yes, I do believe that if the sense of community here has crumbled in the past few months, it's largely due to the moderation decisions. And again, because I DISAGREE with those decisions does not make them "WRONG". But those decisions have certainly had an effect. Maybe in the long run, that effect will pay off positively for the site, its creators and its community. It'll be interesting to see if that's the case, and I hope it is. I don't even know MusicAngel, which is all the more reason why I wouldn't claim that what she was doing was simply attention-seeking. I like to read why people make decisions about these things.
What other reasons are there? I'm not saying that there AREN'T other reasons. I'm literally throwing the question out there. Now, even if "attention seeking" is the ONLY answer to this question, I will agree with you that the "don't let the door hit you in the ass" comments are juvenile and crass. But again...welcome to the Internet. Here's your towel. I realize the logistical nightmare of everyone announcing their departures and entrances, but I also am sorry when people I have come to know and like just disappear without a word.
Okay, good point. But that's kinda like life, you know? 
Anyway, 2the9s, even though I might not agree with you 100%, and even though I might be playing Devil's Advocate here and there with you, I respect and admire your time and eloquence in sharing your thoughts. Thank you. | |
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Aerogram said: I don't think we are collectively harsher, considering the format and what I,ve seen on other sites and AMP
Its not as if on amp one gets cold cocked, suckerpunched and anally raped. In retrospect there's just as much good and bad behavior here as well as on amp. "Climb in my fur." | |
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rdhull said: Aerogram said: I don't think we are collectively harsher, considering the format and what I,ve seen on other sites and AMP
Its not as if on amp one gets cold cocked, suckerpunched and anally raped. In retrospect there's just as much good and bad behavior here as well as on amp. Actually, AMP seems almost more civil now, but it wasn't always that way. Things kind of quieted down in last few months. Sure, there's the occasional spat that seems to call for a kind of ng Don King, but eh.... gotta keep up with tradition. [This message was edited Wed Jul 31 19:10:54 PDT 2002 by Aerogram] | |
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Aerogram said: This is all very reasonable, yet I want to add...
- people who leave don't always get this reaction. Why was it that way? I don't think it's primarily the present atmosphere at the Org, although that might have contributed to the reaction. It was the manner, I think.. - I feel that the "hard-hearted" part is a bit overstated, because it's mostly been directed at a single poster that I don't need to name. I wouldn't confuse that with what happened in MA's case. (not that you did... bear with me... there is a point) They are very different situations. - That other poster did things on an unprecedented scale in nearly all channels of communication the Org has to offer. It continued for far too long. Some people forgave and forgot, only to witness the same pattern again. Was it wrong to react to it? Not per se... Was the manner rude and heavyhanded? Certainly, but it reflected the kind of reactions people got from this poster. Not too many things were off limit, you see...so when people reacted, they felt they should serve this poster her own medicine. I personally refrained from doing that, but I could see why people didn't feel they were out of line. From this activity, it can easily be concluded we are more "hard-hearted", but I really think that is a circumstantial impression brought on by a new format and one particularly unpleasant case. The rest is business as usual -- you've got your odes to so and so to the right, and your poop-flinging incidents to the left. I don't think we are collectively harsher, considering the format and what I,ve seen on other sites and AMP The Org has lots of kind people that just seem a bit more impatient lately due to circumstances. [This message was edited Wed Jul 31 14:24:09 PDT 2002 by Aerogram] I agree with you on many levels... the org definitely does have lots of kind people, and I too can understand what you're saying about the circumstances of the other poster, like I said earlier, people do tend to dig their own graves, and this poster was definitely someone who did. In their case, it really did come down to self-responsibility, she gave as good as she got. As you said though, it did get heavyhanded... but what can you do... I just hope this impatience some are feeling doesn't distort their reactions to others too enduringly... because often when it does, it just seems out of place. Anyway... what will be, will be... ce la vi eeek... when did I start taking things here so damn seriously  --»You're my favourite moment, you're my Saturday... | |
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Diva said:
[I understand that, but to me whether MusicAngel leaves permanently or not is not particularly the point, it's just interesting how easily people jump at the chance to be cruel to others, or hit them with their "clever" one liners... is it really justified to insult this one person because of a collective irritation with some people who keep threatening to leave and never do?[/quote] uhhh YES.. y bother share with every 1 here the displeasure if they werent looking 4 a responce??? its the "notice me" complex | |
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Thanks Abrazo,
I agree with a lot of what you wrote, especially regarding the manner of MusicAngel's post. The stuff she said didn't necessarily bother me (I mean the fact that she said it.) It could very well have made for a good discussion, since this topic tends to generate posts. But stated in the context of a goodbye message, it was more of a conversation stopper and seemed oddly intolerant. I definitely agree with this: People don't realise that the words they say are read by the mind of another human being. It is not that different from the 'real world.'
Nicely said. And as for you Anxiety! That's exactly why I addressed you, because I knew I would get a great response! You lurking bastard you! I'm glad to see this issue transform into one about the site again and I knew you'd bite! 
Again, I don't think we disagree much overall and in a lot of ways I'm content to just let this conversation stand as it is. Not every issue has to be a "debate" in order for it to be useful. But there are a few points I want to address in your response. Obviously the Org means a lot to me -- as anyone can tell from the time I spend here... (P.S. For those of you who feel the need to tell me how sad my life is, please do so through Orgnote. I do so love those little flashing lights... ::  :: ) -- and, like you, I'd like to think that it will continue to be a great place to visit or that it will get back to form.
Anyway, in no particular order and with no particular logic... Anxiety said: [...]There's a big difference between disappointment and hard feelings. I'm disappointed in the direction of this site. I have no hard feelings. I don't know Ben and Matt. I'm sure they're fine people. I just happen to disagree with their social asthetic. Fine. Diff'rent strokes...
Well, one of my objections is that what happened was done in such an abrupt and rude way on both sides that I find disappointment to be an insufficient word to describe my reactions. I lean more towards hard feelings frankly. If the GD is ultimately removed, I will be disappointed. As it is, its continued closure seems punitive. And to be punitive towards such a huge community means that you are treating that community like a static mass. That doesn't bode well for the GD's future. When these discussions devolve into "It's their right..." or alternately "Deal with it..." I get sleepy like POOK. Until my account is deleted, I don't plan on changing my behavior, if for no other reason than I think I already adapt my behavior based on people's reactions etc. As do most people I believe. It's just part of being human and interacting with other humans. These things can happen slowly or not at all. I'm not being defiant here, just saying... I love it when new people join and I love watching them find their voice. I am not a fan of the Positivity stuff any more than I am a fan of flame wars because they tend to reduce people to roles. (I do love a good one-liner though heh heh.) Anxiety said: But with all due respect to you and your amazing contributions on here, 2the9s,[...]
heh heh, You liked my Battier song, eh? [...]they HAVE set parameters. They HAVE policed the direction of the community of this site. And those decisions have ultimately reminded me that, ya know what, It's Only A Website.
Yeah, I know. It still kicks my ass though. 2the9s said Why are the dynamics of an online community any different than any other social dynamic?
Anxiety said: Because most "real time" social dynamics aren't OWNED by someone. There's no solid sense of propriety. Sure there might be the Alpha Male/Female figure who tends to be the "leader" of the pack, but that's not a black-and-white declaration of ownership in the same sense as putting tons of time and money into a device that people are invited to interact with. The people who own this site own our capabilities to communicate with each other ON this site. That's how I see a difference.
Well shut my mouth! I agree with you here, although I think I was referring to our reactions to MusicAngel etc. But I'm glad you steered this towards the realities of this site, because moderation clearly effects the way that people interact. Maybe the reason people were so quick to jump on MA was because they felt that this would appease the moderators somehow? Look at the proliferation of threads that call for more heavy-handed moderation! Yikes! "Clear the slate"? WTF? 
Anxiety said: As for flaming someone for making their grand Org farewell, I'll say that I have nothing against MusicAngel personally. I don't know her history, I don't know the muck she may or may not have raked, and I don't know if she was liked, disliked, ignored or whatever. She just happened to be the catalyst for my rant, because it's been a habit among "ex" Orgers lately that I find particularly weird and annoying.
Never ignore the primal urge to rant! This leave-taking behavior may be weird and annoying, but it's also human. And, by the way, to clarify my response, not everyone reacted in the same way. People don't have to clamor for her to stay and there were some good responses that pointed out that MA was as much a part of the problem that she described etc. (I think that was Ms. Ugly Avatar. heh heh. j/k Apples.) That was just my excuse for a rant too I guess. Anxiety said: I think the "clever one-liner" responses are negligible and to be expected. People are going to be snarky and bitchy. Hi. It's the Internet. Care for some gum?
Yes please. ~~2the9s unwraps the stick of gum but before putting it in his mouth uses it to jab the air in an affected manner as he makes his next points~~ 2the9s said: I don't even know MusicAngel, which is all the more reason why I wouldn't claim that what she was doing was simply attention-seeking. I like to read why people make decisions about these things.
Anxiety said: What other reasons are there?
Well, maybe none. We all seek attention I guess. But why does that automatically make it bad? Sometimes there are very good reasons why people seek attention, reasons that can be learned from. Obviously there are some extreme cases that I am not suggesting should be indulged. But to broadly label everything that you don't like "attention-seeking" can itself be an attention seeking device (Okay, I hate those dopey circular arguments, but there we are.) 2the9s said I realize the logistical nightmare of everyone announcing their departures and entrances, but I also am sorry when people I have come to know and like just disappear without a word.
Anxiety said: Okay, good point. But that's kinda like life, you know?
Yeah, I know, that's why I don't like it. I don't deal well with loss... Anxiety said: Anyway, 2the9s, even though I might not agree with you 100%, and even though I might be playing Devil's Advocate here and there with you, I respect and admire your time and eloquence in sharing your thoughts. Thank you.
Like I said, same here! Anytime. Anywhere! And P.S. Where the hell is skeletonkee? Or maybe Ben, Val, Matt, or Kevin...? Oh and I'm sure you will be seeing an edit message here! Wait for it!... There it is! [This message was edited Thu Aug 1 9:17:42 PDT 2002 by 2the9s] | |
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there certainly were a lot of replies to this post.
that's all i wanted to say! | |
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Maybe a person's time comes, and then they move on to the next best thing, sort of the way we do in a relationship; you take from the good and the bad, and then you learn from it. If you really feel this way, I don't have a doubt in my mind that you have had a wonderful experience, experiencing Prince's music. I mean, has any other artist affected you so much to bring you to write a post like this? I think not...so I wish lots of love and joy throughout the rest of your journey, PEACE. | |
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2the9s said: This leave-taking behavior may be weird and annoying, but it's also human. And, by the way, to clarify my response, not everyone reacted in the same way. People don't have to clamor for her to stay and there were some good responses that pointed out that MA was as much a part of the problem that she described etc. (I think that was Ms. Ugly Avatar. heh heh. j/k Apples.) That was just my excuse for a rant too I guess. that's Ms. SCARY avatar to you, ninester.
what i was trying to say was that she was better off not spending time w/ people who made her feel down and negative somehow... people can have strange effects on each other for a variety of complicated reasons. | |
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