purplecam said: NDRU said: Prince just thinks he's gonna show all the contestants, wannabe contestants, and American public who watches, how it's really done. It's like Jesus hanging with the sinners. Prince thinks he's gonna save some musical souls.
And he's never denounced the system, he just said it didn't work for him anymore. He said many times that record companies are good for emerging artists. Exactly. Hell even I forgot he said that. Ironically, I think that was the same time that he was dogging American Idol. Just a Sign O The Times . Yes, I'm sure he thinks he's better than both record companies & American Idol! I'm sure him being on the show has nothing to do with approving of it, quite the opposite in fact. My Legacy
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Anx said: purplecam said: This is not going to change anytime soon. Fans will never be completely "satisfied". Someone will always dog the dude for trying. More people seem to be defening homeboy on the AI boards than here at one of his fansites (though it shouldn't come as a surprise)! I'm at peace with the fact that it will always be this way for Prince, even when he's dead. and here i thought it was madonna getting hung from a cross this summer! look, it's like this. the nature of a fan forum like this is to allow people to post their opinions. if we're only allowed to have one kind of opinion or else we're not "true fans" or we're at best "whiners", then maybe people who criticize prince should be banned from the org so the "real fans" have less distractions when praising prince unconditionally. scary thing is, i know people on here who'd REALLY like that. some people go overboard with their criticisms and turn it into condemnation. but see, it works both ways. some people get so fammed out, they can't even play devil's advocate enough to say "ok, i see your point, i just don't happen to agree." i'm not big on what prince has been doing this year. also, 3121 is a pleasant enough album, but i'm not crazy about it. i agree with sassy about his "sell-out" statement and i don't equate it into my opinion about the AI appearance, but i thought it was a lame decision. does this mean my prince collection is going on eBay anytime soon? think again! i don't have to love every single thing the man does to keep on admiring the big picture. and i won't let anyone pressure me into following the flock because i'm not a "real fan". pssht. i spent enough money on the elf, he's at least made me REAL BROKE on more than one occasion. I totally get where you are coming from Anx and you know I respect you. Not everything Prince does is a bed of roses and I have no problem pointing that out. I was actually pissed with him until yesterday because I was bored with the lack of promotion for 3121 cause I love it but then BAM! manna from heaven! My point was there will always be people here who will hate on the dude no matter what happens. I'm not saying they need to "Get off the boat" it's just the truth of the matter. It can be the usual suspects like Bart or anyone for whatever reason, me included, but it will happen even if it's just for a day. Once upon a time I would have been one of those folks wanting the "haters" to go somewhere but we have a right to not like everything but I have a right to wonder why if the question pops up in my head and vice versa too. I hope this makes sense. [Edited 5/25/06 11:34am] I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: Let me say this. People are complaining about Prince DOING HIS JOB. He's supposed to be promoting his CD. That's part of the job criteria for being on a major label, hell being on any label if you want people to pick up your music. He did the job well if I may say so myself.
Bravo Prince! If this is selling out, then you need to do this more often!!! I totally agree. Give him a break. | |
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Well, I think he just did it to see how many threads would be started about it on the org. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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minneapolisgenius said: ^
Well, I think he just did it to see how many threads would be started about it on the org. Well he succeeded! I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: minneapolisgenius said: ^
Well, I think he just did it to see how many threads would be started about it on the org. Well he succeeded! That he did. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Anx said:[quote] purplecam said: ....then maybe people who criticize prince should be banned from the org so the "real fans" have less distractions when praising prince unconditionally. They already have that. It's called the NPGMC message board. | |
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Geez. I dialed out Prince with that LOVESEXY cover pic (way too gay for a serious funkster). Tried to get back during the "SLAVE" period wading through the bootlegs and half-assed albums like TRC, MUSICOLOGY and 3121 only to have him do this cop-out AI crap. I'm dialed out again. Enjoy your faked funk.
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realgirl2004 said: I totally agree. Give him a break. i'll break him off a piece of my kit-kat bar, but that's all he's getting from me. | |
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PFunkjazz said: Geez. I dialed out Prince with that LOVESEXY cover pic (way too gay for a serious funkster).
What a ridiculous comment. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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Moonbeam said: PFunkjazz said: Geez. I dialed out Prince with that LOVESEXY cover pic (way too gay for a serious funkster).
What a ridiculous comment. How is that ridiculous? You may not like, or agree with, my "kneejerk" reaction, but the fact is myself and a number of funk fans quit listening to Prince for that very reason. Feel free to debate my opinon, but that's like pissing on your shoes and complaining your socks are wet: you're still going to look like a fool. test | |
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PFunkjazz said: Moonbeam said: What a ridiculous comment. How is that ridiculous? You may not like, or agree with, my "kneejerk" reaction, but the fact is myself and a number of funk fans quit listening to Prince for that very reason. Feel free to debate my opinon, but that's like pissing on your shoes and complaining your socks are wet: you're still going to look like a fool. It's ridiculous because it implies that a "serious funkster" must be unequivocally heterosexual, and perhaps even homophobic. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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PFunkjazz said: Moonbeam said: What a ridiculous comment. How is that ridiculous? You may not like, or agree with, my "kneejerk" reaction, but the fact is myself and a number of funk fans quit listening to Prince for that very reason. Feel free to debate my opinon, but that's like pissing on your shoes and complaining your socks are wet: you're still going to look like a fool. is moonbeam debating your opinion or simply calling the opinion ridiculous. there's a difference. the fact that it's your opinion is not being debated. you can have it, its yours. it is however, in my opinion, a very ridiculous reason to stop listening to someone's music. especially someone who's always worn high heels and g strings. | |
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sallysassalot said: PFunkjazz said: How is that ridiculous? You may not like, or agree with, my "kneejerk" reaction, but the fact is myself and a number of funk fans quit listening to Prince for that very reason. Feel free to debate my opinon, but that's like pissing on your shoes and complaining your socks are wet: you're still going to look like a fool. is moonbeam debating your opinion or simply calling the opinion ridiculous. there's a difference. the fact that it's your opinion is not being debated. you can have it, its yours. it is however, in my opinion, a very ridiculous reason to stop listening to someone's music. especially someone who's always worn high heels and g strings. What gets me is that his avatar is of George Clinton, who just so happened to sign a record contract with Paisley Park around the time of the Lovesexy album cover deemed "too gay for serious funksters". I suppose George Clinton is not a serious funkster then. Also, weren't many of the "serious funksters" dressing up quite flamboyantly in the disco era? Earth, Wind and Fire anyone? Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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purplecam said: It's simple, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't but you can bet on one thing: Prince don't give a flying fuck what we think cause he's going to do what he wants, for better or worse. That's Prince "for you". Take it or leave it.
Yeah! & all those who don't like it can just go & suck his big ol' contradict. | |
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Anx said: realgirl2004 said: I totally agree. Give him a break. i'll break him off a piece of my kit-kat bar, but that's all he's getting from me. Oh, you're into Kitkat too. Cool. | |
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DenverMoon said: American Idol? Is this not the man that is against record companies and how they handle artists??? The man who wrote "slave" on his face when he was the highest paid artist in history? the man who changed his name to a symbol so the record companies could not exploit his new works????
and he turns around and goes on the 1# show that makes kids sign up in these types contracts, contracts he's been fighting and warning people for over 15 years? am I lost here? or did I miss something????? this is a total prince move. hes just unpredictable as always. i was glad that this time his makeup was done right....loved the lavender tint and peach cheeks prince | |
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Novabreaker said: Anx said: i'll break him off a piece of my kit-kat bar, but that's all he's getting from me. Oh, you're into Kitkat too. Cool. orange kit kat is the bee's meow. | |
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ultimately it's the man's own choice to be there. for whatever reason.
and to be honest, i think it's rather silly to expect much artistic integrity from prince after all we've seen him do over the past decade. but that's besides the point. he did a good performance and if it helps to sell more copies of his album, good for him. what the fuck do we know anyway. if anything, more album sales get him more money and more power to do his own thing, on his own terms. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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EmancipationLover said: If I make my own personal thread about the AI performance, can I get a "sticky" too?
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EmancipationLover said: If I make my own personal thread about the AI performance, can I get a "sticky" too?
oh, behave. this thread was the first critical or dissenting viewpoint after the idolpalooza started last night, and i for one think it brought about an interesting conversation/debate without raining on the parade of the "OMFG!!" thread of people celebrating his television appearance. of course, then today there were other similar threads, and then threads berating those threads, and then threads berating threads that berated those threads, and so on. business as usual at the org. but i do think ONE thread where we can get a little deeper is cool, and one thread where people can just gush and fam out is cool too. | |
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It's just promotion of an album. It was smart. He played his own songs. What's wrong with it? | |
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EmancipationLover said:
Vainandy, don't you think that Prince as a real musician almost has some kind of duty to play in front of an audience who mainly grew up with plastic R'n'B and uninspired Hip Hop? To teach them about the real stuff? Not really. Most of them don't want to learn anyway so what's the point. Even if a few of them picked up on it and made some decent music, it would never get any airplay anyway because of the current radio stations. Current radio is only going to play either ballads or hip hop. I say, disassociate yourself with the whole damn scene, continue making music for the fans only, and hope the dull era ends soon (even though it probably won't). Don't forget he played "Lolita" (early 80's retro) and "Satisfied" (classic R'n'B) and not your much hated "Incense and Candles". There the young folks could hear what real songs sound like...
That was a good choice of songs but most of them don't care. Also, why does Prince's exposure to the kids automatically mean he will start to sound like a Destiny's Child cover band? He always did what he wanted to do whatever the trend was. You should know that. Remember "Around the World in a Day"...
You got me on that one. However, Prince was a huge star and had recently made a lot of money off of "Purple Rain" during that time. He could afford to do as he pleased. Prince has been out of the mainstream for a long time now and we all know it takes a lot of money to live like Prince. Who knows what he might do next to keep up that lifestyle. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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kidelrich said: It's just promotion of an album. It was smart. He played his own songs. What's wrong with it?
exactly, people should stop this fucking bitching about everything all the time. if that is selling out, than we have all sold out again and again in r private lifes. it would be very cool if you could live your life completely and utterly along your principles and never make concessions. but unless you want to be a recluse or labeled insane, you will have to adapt and go with the flow at certain moments. even if it means stepping over some of you own values. imo people who never waver from their principles are scary and alarming, their fanatics. what prince did on idol was not selling out it was healthy bussiness. if it was his own choice to be there, good on him. and if he was somehow obligated to be there under the terms of his new contract, still good on him. shows he's mature enough to be real about things this time around. so stop breaking the man's fucking balls. if you want him to go utterly indie again and sell his records out the backdoor of paisley park, there will be loads of people missing out again. i don't see what there is to sell out at this stage anyway. he's done everything, tried it all and so now whatever decision he makes is valid and real imo. i don't care either way. and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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Everbody! "shut up already damn". It was a awesome BUSINESS move on his part. can we all say Exposer!!!. | |
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When P was on Warners he changed the rules & did what he wanted, so hopefully if any of the Idols know of P's history & they should follow in his footsteps. Yeah he hates record companies but now he license his music out, so I wouldn't call him a sell out. He knows what people expect from him (funky music w/sexual lyrics). Maybe he feels that kind of music is sellin' out! I look at this as promotion of his new CD. | |
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Anx said: EmancipationLover said: If I make my own personal thread about the AI performance, can I get a "sticky" too?
oh, behave. this thread was the first critical or dissenting viewpoint after the idolpalooza started last night, and i for one think it brought about an interesting conversation/debate without raining on the parade of the "OMFG!!" thread of people celebrating his television appearance. of course, then today there were other similar threads, and then threads berating those threads, and then threads berating threads that berated those threads, and so on. business as usual at the org. but i do think ONE thread where we can get a little deeper is cool, and one thread where people can just gush and fam out is cool too. This was predicted about 2 minutes before Prince came on... psychodelicide said: Maybe its his way of saying "Screw American Idol" U guys..I can just imagine the disappointment we'll feel if he's not there ThreadCula said: Oh man, there'll be like 10 threads in the GD and Prince forums, with people bitchin about Prince not showing up on AI. Luv4U said Don't give the mods nightmares ANd lookeee right as rain...10 threads have popped up. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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IstenSzek said: kidelrich said: It's just promotion of an album. It was smart. He played his own songs. What's wrong with it?
exactly, people should stop this fucking bitching about everything all the time. if that is selling out, than we have all sold out again and again in r private lifes. it would be very cool if you could live your life completely and utterly along your principles and never make concessions. but unless you want to be a recluse or labeled insane, you will have to adapt and go with the flow at certain moments. even if it means stepping over some of you own values. imo people who never waver from their principles are scary and alarming, their fanatics. what prince did on idol was not selling out it was healthy bussiness. if it was his own choice to be there, good on him. and if he was somehow obligated to be there under the terms of his new contract, still good on him. shows he's mature enough to be real about things this time around. so stop breaking the man's fucking balls. if you want him to go utterly indie again and sell his records out the backdoor of paisley park, there will be loads of people missing out again. i don't see what there is to sell out at this stage anyway. he's done everything, tried it all and so now whatever decision he makes is valid and real imo. i don't care either way. I love how everyone who thinks P sold out are the same ones that want him to garner more fans. You can't have it both ways Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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