when did this turn into the "biddies in the BK lounge" appreciation thread?

Personal attacks on people who simply do not share the same point of view are hilarious and a sure sign of insecurity.

Go get 'em tiger!

I don't think it was something on his to do list, but more like something Universal was able to coerce him to do bcuz he dissappeared for a minute.

BobGeorge909 said:

the more i think about it, the more sense this makes...and the more sense it makes that he'd have that scripture posted on NPGMC and sent as an e-mail.

TurnItUp said:

they're called forum rules, luv. read 'em.

as a grown ass woman, i assume you can read.
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ALL I GOTTA SAY IS GET OVER IT!!!!! IT WAS A HELL OF A PERFORMANCE AND I AM SO GLAD THAT HE DID IT!!!!! THE MAN IS THE SHIT! ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE!!!!!

DenverMoon said:

I feel like today might be the end of the world, what with Prince on American Idol and all A big part of me screams sell out and another part sees this as a great strategic move because in last nights appearance he got exposed to as many or more people that voted for a single party in the last presidential elections. Not many ways you can get that much exposure. Wonder if there is going to be a Prince night on future AIs

I'm still super disappointed by this. I pretty much feel like Anxiety does.

I understand this move from a commercial standpoint, but I just don't like the way he's been an uber-schmoozer lately, and the appearance on Americal Idol is the saccharine icing on the cream cheesecake.

Maybe Prince is going through a mid-life crisis.

Moonbeam said:

I thought you liked saccharine

JENJEN said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I like sugar.

OK I look at it like this...

On one hand you have Prince who is against the "industry" so to speak, yet need to use it as a tool to get his music out to people. He realizes he has to pander to some degree to the system. AI at the core is one of these industy machines that breaks down music to its most common denomentator. Yet it somehow creates this fantasy world where if you look good and sound ok...you can be a STAR. The very nature of this show goes against much of what Prince is about.

On the other hand Prince is a star...in his own right, yes. But there is a commercial side to him...there always has been. He is as accessable as anything on AI...and mostly is considered as mainstram abeit a bit eccentric as anything else on that show. He is also one to take people he sees that have singing talent and making them Stars on his own (i.e. Temar)...so is AI really a stretch for him? One could even say that it would be hypocritical forhim to shun such a thing, when in fact he has "created" stars based on nothing but his own music...stars that were much less talented than those we see on AI.

Then there is the ratings aspect...90 million people I think was what I read...anyway A LOT of people watch the finale, it would be FOLLY for him not to do an appearance if asked. I think him working with the kids/being a guest or anything beyond what we saw last night would have not gone over well. He killed that show as he did SNL. I am sure we will see a big spike in sales...prolly more that Kenny Rogers did as Prince is still a very viable artist that once reminded, the world remembers what a great artist he IS.

anon said:

If you can't beat em...join em.

Moonbeam said:

It's simple, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't but you can bet on one thing: Prince don't give a flying fuck what we think cause he's going to do what he wants, for better or worse. That's Prince "for you". Take it or leave it.

And to think of the backlash if he DIDN"T perform.

before prince was even 20 he signed a recording contract with a major label. in 1983 filming began on a film that would be titled Purple Rain. the film went on to become a massive success as did the motion picture soundtrack. perhaps you've heard of them? if signing a record deal at 18 or 19 years old wasn't selling out, surely making a hollywood movie was.

yes, friends, prince sold out. thing is, he did it before most of us were even paying attention. this talk of american idol and selling out...well, i just don't get it. he's not your little indie secret that just signed from touch and go records to warner music corp. additionally, its not as though in order to appear on american idol prince had to relinquish control of ANYTHING.

you see, prince went on one of the most watched tv shows on air and he did it by his own rules. no singing lessons. no dance classes. no shit. he went on a show supporting his new record. a new record that while being released on a major label is still owned by prince. if prince sold out i think he at least would have to be guilty of making sacrifices in exchange for popularity.

it could just be me but i'm failing to see where he's done this.

purplecam said:

Thank you. I think I love you.

Romera said:

All I can say is I called this gal last night and she was outta breath for P's performance. I ended up seeing it and realize WHY. It was a really good performance of 2 songs I rather don't like. And even though it was hinted at that he would play...his perfomance really came as a big surprise/show stopper on the show...as the prior performance made some folks want to kill themselves. Prince saved them all!

Anx said:

Wait! Berlin is going to have Prince night on Memorial Day weekend?!? They never did that when I lived in Chicago. And I always especially wanted to go those weekends cause my birthday is May 28. Damn them!

calldapplwondery83 said:

This is not going to change anytime soon. Fans will never be completely "satisfied". Someone will always dog the dude for trying. More people seem to be defening homeboy on the AI boards than here at one of his fansites (though it shouldn't come as a surprise)! I'm at peace with the fact that it will always be this way for Prince, even when he's dead.

vainandy said:

Vainandy, don't you think that Prince as a real musician almost has some kind of duty to play in front of an audience who mainly grew up with plastic R'n'B and uninspired Hip Hop? To teach them about the real stuff?

Don't forget he played "Lolita" (early 80's retro) and "Satisfied" (classic R'n'B) and not your much hated "Incense and Candles". There the young folks could hear what real songs sound like...

Also, why does Prince's exposure to the kids automatically mean he will start to sound like a Destiny's Child cover band? He always did what he wanted to do whatever the trend was. You should know that. Remember "Around the World in a Day"...

DenverMoon said:

how does the shhow make anyone sign these contracts? they choose to, weighing the benefits of signing versus the negatives of not and deciding to sign.

sure, it may be an unfair contract, but they choose to sign it.

Moonbeam said:

Mmmm cheesecake

But seriously,

I'm sort of with you and Anx...I'm not disappointed per se, but I'm definitely not about it. His performance was not that great by Prince standards--yes, I know everyone has bad days, I've just never really seen Prince have one live before. I'm not a huge fan of Lolita, but I did like it better live--even though I don't think it was a great performance. Satisfied was not so good--the NAACP Vangard version was much better.
It's nice that 3121 is moving up the charts, but I honestly do not see how it will change millions of peoples opinions that he is not a "has been".

I would have been completely fine had he not performed. I'll even go so far as to say I wish he hadn't.

(BTW, that last comment does not make me a "hater". Also, I'm usually supportive of Prince's decisions but I just can't seem to "get on the boat" with this one...)

PS. As I've stated elsewhere, I haven't decided if I think this was him "selling-out"...
[Edited 5/25/06 11:23am]

Let me say this. People are complaining about Prince DOING HIS JOB. He's supposed to be promoting his CD. That's part of the job criteria for being on a major label, hell being on any label if you want people to pick up your music. He did the job well if I may say so myself.

Bravo Prince! If this is selling out, then you need to do this more often!!!

Prince just thinks he's gonna show all the contestants, wannabe contestants, and American public who watches, how it's really done. It's like Jesus hanging with the sinners. Prince thinks he's gonna save some musical souls.

And he's never denounced the system, he just said it didn't work for him anymore. He said many times that record companies are good for emerging artists.

purplecam said:

and here i thought it was madonna getting hung from a cross this summer!

look, it's like this. the nature of a fan forum like this is to allow people to post their opinions. if we're only allowed to have one kind of opinion or else we're not "true fans" or we're at best "whiners", then maybe people who criticize prince should be banned from the org so the "real fans" have less distractions when praising prince unconditionally.

scary thing is, i know people on here who'd REALLY like that.

some people go overboard with their criticisms and turn it into condemnation. but see, it works both ways. some people get so fammed out, they can't even play devil's advocate enough to say "ok, i see your point, i just don't happen to agree."

i'm not big on what prince has been doing this year. also, 3121 is a pleasant enough album, but i'm not crazy about it. i agree with sassy about his "sell-out" statement and i don't equate it into my opinion about the AI appearance, but i thought it was a lame decision.

does this mean my prince collection is going on eBay anytime soon? think again!

i don't have to love every single thing the man does to keep on admiring the big picture. and i won't let anyone pressure me into following the flock because i'm not a "real fan". pssht. i spent enough money on the elf, he's at least made me REAL BROKE on more than one occasion.

NDRU said:

Exactly. Hell even I forgot he said that. Ironically, I think that was the same time that he was dogging American Idol. Just a Sign O The Times .