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Printable wasitgood4u said: I don't believe that's the real Bart. Evidence:
1. He didn't tell anyone to do a search to get the facts right (e.g. it's already been proven the twins can't sing - look at this thread. that's why there's a serach function! etc.) 2. He said about Rave: "even though it wasn't a good album to begin with" not "even though it was a god-aful mess to begin with", not "even though it would've made a 4-yr-old chimpanzee composer hide his head in shame to begin with". just "wasn't god". Nope, folks, this is an impostor! I want the real BVH back!  | |
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KrystleEyes said: DenverMoon said: American Idol? Is this not the man that is against record companies and how they handle artists??? The man who wrote "slave" on his face when he was the highest paid artist in history? the man who changed his name to a symbol so the record companies could not exploit his new works????
and he turns around and goes on the 1# show that makes kids sign up in these types contracts, contracts he's been fighting and warning people for over 15 years? am I lost here? or did I miss something????? [Edited 5/24/06 20:35pm] Exactly. And damn if he didn't just bend over backwards and pander to everything he once so credibly despised – all in a desperate marketing attempt to selvage an album that is DOA and to get his ass kissed by the media. It reeked of tackiness and was so 'vegas lounge singer'. 
Am I the only one thinking this may mark the moment we can look back on and say, yep, that's when he truly jumped the shark?... 
Nope. http://www.prince.org/msg/7/190117 | |
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I've just watched the performance and I was not impressed at all.
I thought it was a bad vocal delivery, the tune was all over the place, and by insisting on cramming two songs into 4 odd minutes stole the power out of either. And why he didn't do the new single is very odd. The whole thing looked tired. Prince doing old Morris Day moves badly. . |
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Well, I didn't have a problem with Prince going on American Idol. The man's a walking contradiction so it's not worth pointing out the lapses in his artistic integrity and his flawed thinking anymore. I was glad to see him on TV, as ever, and I'd be happy for him if this helps him shift a few units. I don't, however, think it was a particularly good performance (to end with Satisfied is a downer), and I don't think it was a good effort at appealing to new fans (if indeed that was one of or in fact his sole purpose).
But it was alright. Good to see him anywhere really. Imagine if he'd just played the one song and it'd been 'Fury' as on SNL with that performance never having happened. Not THAT would've been something.  | |
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Prince looked so good and the performance was da bomb! My husband is still mad at me for acting like a big screaming idiot last night...oh well. | |
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meltwithu said: if he shows up to sing, it's only going to be a duet with Paris. no way does he get to just show up, sing a solo, and then leave. AI wouldn't allow that
 would u like a spatula to get all that egg off your face? u were so wrong, cos that is exactly what he did | |
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funkin4kix said: i just got word he'll be on at the beginning! so you don't have to watch the whole thing, so don't be late
 you get a spatula too, egg all on your face, he was last... oh yes.. | |
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jone70 said: I thought it was a bad idea for P from the first whisper of a rumor.
Of course I have my VCR cued up and shit, but honestly this show is so fucking LAME that I hope he does not do it... I'm not convinced it will boost sales of 3121 that much. None of the artists that have been on have recent albums except Mary J., right? And none of them are getting to plug any albums. And they are all singing old songs so it will just further cement "Prince = Purple Rain"  I disagree. We had an "Idol" party last night and everyone of my girlfriends are going out to pick up the new album now. They had no idea what Prince sounded like post Purple Rain and always made fun of me for being a fan. AND I just got to work and my boss was estatic about seeing Prince last night and also will be buying the album. So it worked. [Edited 5/25/06 6:22am] | |
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I think the whole thing boils down to thing: EXPOSURE! If I was a musician, and had a chance to go in front of the biggest TV audience of the year, I would be there in a heartbeat. Kudos for Prince for doing it, and, ON HIS OWN TERMS.
Prince- "I will do it, with these stipulations: 1. I come on right before the announcement of the winner. 2. Ryan must say, "OK, it's time to announce the winner." Once evenone in the world is watching, drop the house lights! 3. I sing 2 new songs. No PR or LGC. 4. I do not talk to any Idols or Ryan. I sing and leave." There are few performers who have that kind of clout. To have the most coveted TV time all year? Come on...it's a win-win. He is calling his own shots in his career now. I don't believe this is turning on what he has fought for. It's good to show the young performers what to fight for when you have a career. Never become a slave. | |
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rockyraccoon said: funkin4kix said: i just got word he'll be on at the beginning! so you don't have to watch the whole thing, so don't be late
you get a spatula too, egg all on your face, he was last... oh yes.. hindsight  | |
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CarrieLee said: jone70 said: I thought it was a bad idea for P from the first whisper of a rumor.
Of course I have my VCR cued up and shit, but honestly this show is so fucking LAME that I hope he does not do it... I'm not convinced it will boost sales of 3121 that much. None of the artists that have been on have recent albums except Mary J., right? And none of them are getting to plug any albums. And they are all singing old songs so it will just further cement "Prince = Purple Rain" I disagree. We had an "Idol" party last night and everyone of my girlfriends are going out to pick up the new album now. They had no idea what Prince sounded like post Purple Rain and always made fun of me for being a fan. AND I just got to work and my boss was estatic about seeing Prince last night and also will be buying the album. So it worked.
[Edited 5/25/06 6:22am] An "Idol" party? I knew you were a wild chick.  | |
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where's mr. nelson? i'd like to soundly club 'im upside the head a few times... | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: where's mr. nelson? i'd like to soundly club 'im upside the head a few times...
At his hotel, nibblin' on a kudos bar and laughin' at us. | |
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The performance was ok, but the man knows how to work it doesn't he? 200 million viewers worldwide were expected to tune in. Look at all the free publicity he got for a just few minutes of work. I give him credit for that and I also like how he didn't sing with anyone. He was the closing act and he certainly caught everyone's attention.
Mary, Dionne and Meatloaf were cool too, but Toni can't sing at all. She just mumbles her way through her songs. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: where's mr. nelson? i'd like to soundly club 'im upside the head a few times...
At his hotel, nibblin' on a kudos bar and laughin' at us. eww, he still eats kudos bars? 
hi, odyssey.  | |
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CarrieLee said: jone70 said: I thought it was a bad idea for P from the first whisper of a rumor.
Of course I have my VCR cued up and shit, but honestly this show is so fucking LAME that I hope he does not do it... I'm not convinced it will boost sales of 3121 that much. None of the artists that have been on have recent albums except Mary J., right? And none of them are getting to plug any albums. And they are all singing old songs so it will just further cement "Prince = Purple Rain" I disagree. We had an "Idol" party last night and everyone of my girlfriends are going out to pick up the new album now. They had no idea what Prince sounded like post Purple Rain and always made fun of me for being a fan. AND I just got to work and my boss was estatic about seeing Prince last night and also will be buying the album. So it worked. Wow. Did y'all hear the crowd once they realized Prince was up there? It's like everyone in the house went insane in unison. I'm amazed at the clout Prince still has. Dude can go on the show when he wants AND perform right at the end before they read off the winner, when the viewers are in full. | |
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rave323 said: I think the whole thing boils down to thing: EXPOSURE! If I was a musician, and had a chance to go in front of the biggest TV audience of the year, I would be there in a heartbeat. Kudos for Prince for doing it, and, ON HIS OWN TERMS.
Prince- "I will do it, with these stipulations: 1. I come on right before the announcement of the winner. 2. Ryan must say, "OK, it's time to announce the winner." Once evenone in the world is watching, drop the house lights! 3. I sing 2 new songs. No PR or LGC. 4. I do not talk to any Idols or Ryan. I sing and leave." There are few performers who have that kind of clout. To have the most coveted TV time all year? Come on...it's a win-win. He is calling his own shots in his career now. I don't believe this is turning on what he has fought for. It's good to show the young performers what to fight for when you have a career. Never become a slave. Bullshit Sugarcoat it all you like, but at the end of the day it boils down to one thing and one thing only: desperate actions that reek of a shark-jumping sell-out. AI history has proven it's a credibility destroying forum for the well-past-their-prime, over-the-hill, desperate for exposure, has-beens. Prince of 20, 10 or even 5 years ago would never have stooped to this level for a bit of exposure. Hell, if Prince of the '80's could meet the current incarnation he'd shake his head and sigh, happy only with the fact that he still has hair. (It's 3am in Minnie, bring me a camel cos here's the straw that's gonna break its back...) Sell out.  The Hef Years truely suck... | |
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i don't care what anybody says that rocked! he was great! 
thanks for the tip j7 | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: OdysseyMiles said: At his hotel, nibblin' on a kudos bar and laughin' at us. eww, he still eats kudos bars? Metaphorically, yes. Handclapsfingasnapz said: hi, odyssey.
Hi, sugar. | |
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CalhounSq said: I slept like a BABY through this whole fucking thing!!!
  
I'm hoping it shows up somewhere online. I saw the "Watch AI" thread but I thought these bitch ass fans are just creaming themselves over rumors again 
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KrystleEyes said: Sugarcoat it all you like, but at the end of the day it boils down to one thing and one thing only: desperate actions that reek of a shark-jumping sell-out.
prince appearing on a reality show = no. prince seen hawking the newest barely edible concoction that mcdonald's/burger king/coke/pepsi/mr. clean/dow chemicals has conjured up = get the fonz on the phone. it seems to me that some of ya'll have the line between "promotion" and "selling out" either mixed up or blurred. both kinna-sorta run along the same line, but are entirely different aspects of showbiz once you look at the two closely. | |
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Something else that I just thought of.
It would have been cool if he played guitar, but Prince as always been so much more than a frontman for a band, who also plays guitar well and a lot of other instruments. Prince has always done the pop-performance thing, too. Basically, with last nights performance, he showed American Idol what the Idols really needed to be. He did a pop-style performance with a couple of dancers with more of a pop-vibe. There is not one of the American Idol winners past or present--not a one-- that will ever be an all-around entertainer like Prince. Really, he just blew EVERYONE away at their own game--in their own element. I thought it was fantastic... and maybe more of a statement about the music industry than it would appear. Sure he is gonna benefit from making that statement as many artists benefit from making theirs, but maybe Prince in his own way was sending a message NOT to be defined or limited by the industry or anyone else's expectations. Then again, maybe it was all about promotion.
P.S. I also saw Clay Aiekin's performance, and I have to admit that guy has a great voice, but what's up with that dude's hair? Yeah, Prince's hair was interesting, but Clay's woooo??  [Edited 5/25/06 7:08am] | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: KrystleEyes said: Sugarcoat it all you like, but at the end of the day it boils down to one thing and one thing only: desperate actions that reek of a shark-jumping sell-out.
prince appearing on a reality show = no. prince seen hawking the newest barely edible concoction that mcdonald's/burger king/coke/pepsi/mr. clean/dow chemicals has conjured up = get the fonz on the phone. it seems to me that some of ya'll have the line between "promotion" and "selling out" either mixed up or blurred. both kinna-sorta run along the same line, but are entirely different aspects of showbiz once you look at the two closely. This is where I draw the line: Promotion - you can do whatever the hell you want to promote your album. You can show up in assless pants, fuck Paris Hilton (though that's getting a bit too played), or do American Idol. It's just promotion. Sometimes tacky--sometimes appropriate. Selling Out - to me selling out is when you change your art for the purpose of selling records only. 3121 is commercial friend enough, but not exactly a sellout. Also, selling out might entail going against some established Principles that you represent. For example, if the Sexy Pistols do the RRHOF, they've sold out. But if Aerosmith did that, it's just promotion. However, Aerosmith as been known to change their songs dramactically becuase they're hired producers want them to be more "hit worthy"--selling out. Likewise, Prince showing up on American Idol can be viewed as promotion--shipping more units of 3121. Or, selling out--rambling against the music industry, but then ultimate courting it. But I dont' think it's selling out in this case becuase Prince doesn't owe American Idol anything. He doesn't owe Universal anything. At the end of the performance and end of the day, he keeps his masters and millions, and calls the shots as he sees fit. self-serving, but not exactly "Selling out" | |
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Imago said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: prince appearing on a reality show = no. prince seen hawking the newest barely edible concoction that mcdonald's/burger king/coke/pepsi/mr. clean/dow chemicals has conjured up = get the fonz on the phone. it seems to me that some of ya'll have the line between "promotion" and "selling out" either mixed up or blurred. both kinna-sorta run along the same line, but are entirely different aspects of showbiz once you look at the two closely. This is where I draw the line: Promotion - you can do whatever the hell you want to promote your album. You can show up in assless pants, fuck Paris Hilton (though that's getting a bit too played), or do American Idol. It's just promotion. Sometimes tacky--sometimes appropriate. Selling Out - to me selling out is when you change your art for the purpose of selling records only. 3121 is commercial friend enough, but not exactly a sellout. Also, selling out might entail going against some established Principles that you represent. For example, if the Sexy Pistols do the RRHOF, they've sold out. But if Aerosmith did that, it's just promotion. However, Aerosmith as been known to change their songs dramactically becuase they're hired producers want them to be more "hit worthy"--selling out. Likewise, Prince showing up on American Idol can be viewed as promotion--shipping more units of 3121. Or, selling out--rambling against the music industry, but then ultimate courting it. But I dont' think it's selling out in this case becuase Prince doesn't owe American Idol anything. He doesn't owe Universal anything. At the end of the performance and end of the day, he keeps his masters and millions, and calls the shots as he sees fit. self-serving, but not exactly "Selling out" Sexy Pistols  | |
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Aerogram said: Holy smokes! Prince shows up on AI, and so does Bart on the Org.
Bart has been posting in the p&r for sometime now..he is a regular.. and.  at all you folks who were dissing AI and saying Prince would never do such a horrible show and blah blah blah....yet now that he is done it folks are all rosy.. (koodoos to those who are remaining consistent in their hatred for AI)..
uhh hu... 
i myself miss the show but have no problem enjoying watching it as a game show. sos OUT! Space for sale... | |
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Ya gotta admit that was one funky performance! | |
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Imago said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: prince appearing on a reality show = no. prince seen hawking the newest barely edible concoction that mcdonald's/burger king/coke/pepsi/mr. clean/dow chemicals has conjured up = get the fonz on the phone. it seems to me that some of ya'll have the line between "promotion" and "selling out" either mixed up or blurred. both kinna-sorta run along the same line, but are entirely different aspects of showbiz once you look at the two closely. This is where I draw the line: Promotion - you can do whatever the hell you want to promote your album. You can show up in assless pants, fuck Paris Hilton (though that's getting a bit too played), or do American Idol. It's just promotion. Sometimes tacky--sometimes appropriate. Selling Out - to me selling out is when you change your art for the purpose of selling records only. 3121 is commercial friend enough, but not exactly a sellout. Also, selling out might entail going against some established Principles that you represent. For example, if the Sexy Pistols do the RRHOF, they've sold out. But if Aerosmith did that, it's just promotion. However, Aerosmith as been known to change their songs dramactically becuase they're hired producers want them to be more "hit worthy"--selling out. Likewise, Prince showing up on American Idol can be viewed as promotion--shipping more units of 3121. Or, selling out--rambling against the music industry, but then ultimate courting it. But I dont' think it's selling out in this case becuase Prince doesn't owe American Idol anything. He doesn't owe Universal anything. At the end of the performance and end of the day, he keeps his masters and millions, and calls the shots as he sees fit. self-serving, but not exactly "Selling out" dead on it.  | |
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Stax said: CalhounSq said: I slept like a BABY through this whole fucking thing!!!
I'm hoping it shows up somewhere online. I saw the "Watch AI" thread but I thought these bitch ass fans are just creaming themselves over rumors again
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In a five minute time span, Prince made me contradict myself and showed us all once again that he is a walking contradiction.
In five minutes, he sold more albums for himself that all the marketing Universal could have ever done. We claim we want him to be a success and then we shit all over him when he gets out there for the world to see. There is no jumping the shark for Prince to me. There is no Vegas Lounge Act Prince for me. I've followed the guy and been a fan for almost thirty years and whatever he wants to do, I'll be there. Thanks to the haters for freeing up the space closer to the stage for me. | |
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CarrieLee said: jone70 said: I thought it was a bad idea for P from the first whisper of a rumor.
Of course I have my VCR cued up and shit, but honestly this show is so fucking LAME that I hope he does not do it... I'm not convinced it will boost sales of 3121 that much. None of the artists that have been on have recent albums except Mary J., right? And none of them are getting to plug any albums. And they are all singing old songs so it will just further cement "Prince = Purple Rain" I disagree. We had an "Idol" party last night and everyone of my girlfriends are going out to pick up the new album now. They had no idea what Prince sounded like post Purple Rain and always made fun of me for being a fan. AND I just got to work and my boss was estatic about seeing Prince last night and also will be buying the album. So it worked.
[Edited 5/25/06 6:22am] oh wow! that's really good to hear. I'm surprised actually. I ended up missing P's performance! > but I saw it on youtube this morning and...it certainly wasn't his best...but good to know others liked it. that's what really matters right?  "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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