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Reply #60 posted 05/19/06 5:25am

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Gold was as enjoyable as Emancipation should have been.
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Reply #61 posted 05/19/06 5:59am

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The Gold Experience represents everything that's great about Prince's best albums.

The first thing that jumps out to me is the sheer energy in these songs. I've often criticized Prince's later work for lacking the same fire seen in his live performances, but on The Gold Experience, he's totally captured the thrill and urgency of his best live shows.

Every song is exploding with life, and you really feel the power of the NPG in the playing.

The album's inspired, basically, and it's really obvious that Prince believed in these songs when he recorded them.

A big part of what makes TGE so brilliant is its cohesiveness. Whereas something like Rave just sounds like a patchy batch of songs, TGE feels and sounds like a true album.

Just take a song like P Control on its own; it sounds somewhat silly and out of place. But as an attitude-filled opener that directly leads into the fierceness of Endorphinmachine, it somehow fits perfectly.

That's the way I feel about all the songs on here. Not one feels tacked on or placed randomly. Every track flows wonderfully and is strengthened by its context on the album.

A lot of fans criticize the production, but I actually think that's one of the album's strongest merits.

Yes, it sounds loud, and very polished. I think that's precisely the point. The songs all end up feeling enriched as a result. It gives the album a consistent sound.

People have complained a lot about a lack of guitar in his albums since Purple Rain. Well, here you go. TGE only has some of the most inspired guitar playing from The Kid that I've ever heard. That solo in Shhh is yearning summed up, and that solo at the end of Gold? Not only is it incredibly rousing, but to me, it's like Prince speaking through his guitar that we don't have any time to wait.

I've even come to appreciate the lyrics on this album. P Control manages to be entertaining while containing a relevant message about female empowerment, Endorphinmachine's fun lyrics compliment its thrilling sound, Eye Hate U effortlessly transitions from anguished love to bitter disdain, and Gold's message, though trite at first, works like an anthem for his career at that point in time.

What's great about The Gold Experience? What isn't? Mostly wonderfully produced songs with incredible hooks, underlying depth, fantastic playing by the whole band, and a consistency that fans have complained a lot of his 90's albums lack.

Prince made a statement with TGE, and it still sounds powerful to me.

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Reply #62 posted 05/19/06 8:02am

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Days of Wild


Day's of Wild was off the hook when he opened with it at the Capitol Ballroom (now Nation) in Washington DC. Standing room only and people went crazy/happy. I could have left right after that song and been perfectly happy after handing him all my hard earned. But I stayed because I'm a greedy MF.

P Control introduced the last album on which he would use foul language explicity. He cleared his gut. It's a great FUNk romp workout and a better kiss off to the industry than the dour "Had U". The "rap" is campy because clearly P really doesn't like popular rap and he makes fun of the phonomenon (singing the scratches on this); certainly as a master of various musical styles, he definitely could if he wanted to, but he doesn't. When he does do his classic rap album (probably when he starts strutting around with a shaved head in blue jeans), guaranteed it will make all the hatahs sit down and STFU.
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Reply #63 posted 05/19/06 8:11am

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Good morning ladies and gentlemen
Boys and muthafuckin' girls
This is your captain with no name speaking
And I'm here to rock your world.


If that is not the EPITOME of Prince's swagger, I don't know what is. The crisp enunciation of every curse word, the loud clarity of the vocal track...This is Prince's ginormous purple cock'n'balls swinging it outta the park, folks. To those who profess to not like it: Whatsa matter, did it hit you in the eye? blackeye
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Reply #64 posted 05/19/06 9:22am

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GoZero said:

Days of Wild

P Control introduced the last album on which he would use foul language explicity.


Pedantic, I know, but not the last album - he swears on Chaos & Disorder, Emancipation and even The Truth released in 1998.
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Reply #65 posted 05/19/06 9:41am

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Nice review PurpleKnight.

You're right about context--we've discussed the same thing about 3121 and its flow. TGE goes from hip hop to rock to soul to pop effortlessly in the first 4 songs.

My one real criticism of the album is summed up in the title track. Gold is a good pop song, but the first lines:

"There's a mountain and it's mighty high/ You cannot see the top unless you fly/ There's A molehill of proven ground/ain't nowhere to go if you hang around"

seem to be a reference to his own career. Like his own work is really just a molehill and he's ready to move on--something he's been saying for a long time. But isn't Gold just proven ground itself? I was ready for him to move on as well, but he responded with a pretty average pop song (though it's performed really really well) .

Songs like Push It Up & Freaks on This Side are not as good as pop songs, sure, but they're weirder & more experemental, which is as important to Prince's greatness as his ability to write a decent pop tune. Similarly, Come is more creative, if less of a good pop tune.

Gold is passionate, but it's not moving forward in the way we know Prince is capable of. If anything, it's moving backwards into a more generic brand of pop.

The Gold Experience is a great album of well written, incredibly performed, well produced pop, but maybe it wasn't the great leap forward I expected from prince. When it came out I had to once again re-evaluate what to expect from Prince. In, essence I had to lower my expectations.
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Reply #66 posted 05/19/06 9:50am

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P Control introduced the last album on which he would use foul language explicity.


Nope. "Face Down", for one, came out after-as did "Days of Wild" and "18 & Over"
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Reply #67 posted 05/19/06 9:53am

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Hmm, well I disagree.with your take on Gold. To me, it was like Purple Rain evolved. While Purple Rain (which is my favorite song, so this isn't a criticism) was atmospheric and reflective, Gold was full of adrenaline and a feeling of frantic discovery.

That's what TGE really is to me. It's a frustrated artist saying "Oh, I can't write a great album anymore? You want the same hits? I don't use enough guitar? I'm washed up? How do you like THIS!?"
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Reply #68 posted 05/19/06 9:58am

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FunkMistress said:

Good morning ladies and gentlemen
Boys and muthafuckin' girls
This is your captain with no name speaking
And I'm here to rock your world.


If that is not the EPITOME of Prince's swagger, I don't know what is. The crisp enunciation of every curse word, the loud clarity of the vocal track...This is Prince's ginormous purple cock'n'balls swinging it outta the park, folks. To those who profess to not like it: Whatsa matter, did it hit you in the eye? blackeye

ESPECIALLY on the heels of Come where Prince's death was announced. He came out swinging with both fists with this shit worship
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Reply #69 posted 05/19/06 10:42am

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For me, the production and cohesiveness of this album is what I love. In my mind, you could take any 12 songs from this era (many of which ended up on Crystal Ball, Come etc.), and it would sound cohesive as an album, even with any combination of dance songs, ballads, funk workouts etc.), because there's a certain TGE-era 'sound' missing from his more recent pop works.

Perhaps it was something to do with the identity and chemistry that the band had developed by this time - they had played together for years now, and they bounced off each other in such a tight way. Perhaps it was the emphasis on grooves that could be extended to 12-minute jam sessions when played live.

Whatever it is, a song from that era sounds like they could only be from that era, like SOTT songs sound like they could only be from the SOTT era (rightly or wrongly), and TRC songs sound like they could only be from the TRC era. In each of these cases (and with SOTT we have evidence) this may not be correct, but there is an overall cohesive sound. Compare this to many of the Musicology/3121 songs that people think are vault tracks, because they recreate a sound from the past ("What Do U Want Me 2 Do sounds like an SOTT outtake", "Incense & Candles sounds like an Emanciption outtake", etc.) rather than have their own "3121" identity.

Rant over, but for me TGE will always be a core force in Prince's canon.
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Reply #70 posted 05/19/06 10:50am

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Stylewise, it's not one of my own personal favourites, but I find it really bewildering that some individuals fail to see why this album ranks up there with Lovesexy, 1999, Purple Rain and others. So it didn't come out during a period when Prince was most widely considered being at his peak, but c'mon - you have to be deaf not to realize it's just as good as anything he put out in the 80s. And in some ways, even better. Certainly more energetic. Listen to TGE and SOTT back to back - whilst I consider SOTT to be superior it does come off quite lacklustre and lack drive if listened to straight after TGE had been in the CD-player.
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Reply #71 posted 05/19/06 10:53am

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PurpleKnight said:

Hmm, well I disagree.with your take on Gold. To me, it was like Purple Rain evolved. While Purple Rain (which is my favorite song, so this isn't a criticism) was atmospheric and reflective, Gold was full of adrenaline and a feeling of frantic discovery.

That's what TGE really is to me. It's a frustrated artist saying "Oh, I can't write a great album anymore? You want the same hits? I don't use enough guitar? I'm washed up? How do you like THIS!?"


What I hear with Gold (the song) compared to Purple Rain is more effort but less creativity. It may not be fair to compare Gold to what may be Prince's greatest song, but then I think he invited that comparison.

That's what I meant by lowered expectations. I still love Prince's music, but with the battles & the name change I felt he was leaning towards leaving pop music behind entirely(and not in the way of NEWS, but more like The Rainbow Children). I guess I expected the freedom he talked about to be a freedom from all pop convention, kind of hinted at by Come.

But what he was trying to leave behind was his past pop music in favor of new pop music. I thought he was beyond trying to prove something to the pop world, and was trying to lead "a new spiritual revolution." It's not Prince's fault, just different than what I expected.
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Reply #72 posted 05/19/06 10:53am

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NDRU said:

Nice review PurpleKnight.
"There's a mountain and it's mighty high/ You cannot see the top unless you fly/ There's A molehill of proven ground/ain't nowhere to go if you hang around"

seem to be a reference to his own career. Like his own work is really just a molehill and he's ready to move on--something he's been saying for a long time. But isn't Gold just proven ground itself? I was ready for him to move on as well, but he responded with a pretty average pop song (though it's performed really really well) .


I really can't agree with your take on that line. The 'molehill of proven ground' to me is an analogy for 'mediocrity' - other people who are satisfied and impressed with themselves for merely climbing a small hill, the 'proven' referring to taking a safe 'proven' route. In contrast, Prince is saying he strives for much more, i.e. trying to reach the peak of the highest mountain.

In the same song Prince encourages you to 'break the mold' implying that is what he does. Prince has consistently moved forward and tried different styles practically every album, breaking the mold of what is expected of him. Perhaps TGE wasn't the peak Prince was searching for, but the message of the song is that it is still part of that process of stretching himself. I don't think it is a 'safe' album at all like is being presented.
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Reply #73 posted 05/19/06 2:41pm

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NDRU said:

Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.

It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often:

"P Control is pathetic posing and bad rap

Endorphinmachine was ruined in production

We March is plastic & cheesy

Beautiful is boring & cheesy

Dolphin is just plain lame

Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics

Gold is pandering pop, with none of the soul of Purple Rain (which it's clearly an answer to)."

This leaves SHHH, Now, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, & Shy as pretty well liked in general. Five songs that don't get much criticism, but are they classics?

Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated?
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What are you talking about? Gold Experience is Prince's last masterpiece to date. Grrrr ...
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Reply #74 posted 05/19/06 3:14pm

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metalorange said:

NDRU said:

Nice review PurpleKnight.
"There's a mountain and it's mighty high/ You cannot see the top unless you fly/ There's A molehill of proven ground/ain't nowhere to go if you hang around"

seem to be a reference to his own career. Like his own work is really just a molehill and he's ready to move on--something he's been saying for a long time. But isn't Gold just proven ground itself? I was ready for him to move on as well, but he responded with a pretty average pop song (though it's performed really really well) .


I really can't agree with your take on that line. The 'molehill of proven ground' to me is an analogy for 'mediocrity' - other people who are satisfied and impressed with themselves for merely climbing a small hill, the 'proven' referring to taking a safe 'proven' route. In contrast, Prince is saying he strives for much more, i.e. trying to reach the peak of the highest mountain.

In the same song Prince encourages you to 'break the mold' implying that is what he does. Prince has consistently moved forward and tried different styles practically every album, breaking the mold of what is expected of him. Perhaps TGE wasn't the peak Prince was searching for, but the message of the song is that it is still part of that process of stretching himself. I don't think it is a 'safe' album at all like is being presented.


You may be right. I felt the line about proven ground referred to playing Purple Rain for the millionth time, while he's always been more excited about the new stuff (often for good reason)

But then, he's never left the old stuff behind, has he? Maybe the proven ground is what record companies expect from artists, and what many other artists deliver, which is what I think you're saying.

Still, a song that has this message (whoever it's aimed at) should maybe break the mold itself just a bit. I like it just fine, but it's not exactly breaking new ground.
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Reply #75 posted 05/19/06 3:16pm

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Shapeshifter said:

NDRU said:

Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.

It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often:


Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated?
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What are you talking about? Gold Experience is Prince's last masterpiece to date. Grrrr ...
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Reply #76 posted 05/19/06 3:38pm

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It follwoing Diamonds n Pearls, Grafitti Bride (and Symbol) made it greater then it really is
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Reply #77 posted 05/20/06 7:19am

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DiamondGirl said:

It follwoing Diamonds n Pearls, Grafitti Bride (and Symbol) made it greater then it really is


While I don't think the quality of the album itself is anything less than top notch, I do see what you're saying. I think TGE definitely acted as an awakening for some people who thought Prince had completely lost it in the studio.
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Reply #78 posted 05/20/06 7:50am

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Purplenight said:
The Gold Experience represents everything that's great about Prince's best albums.

The first thing that jumps out to me is the sheer energy in these songs. I've often criticized Prince's later work for lacking the same fire seen in his live performances, but on The Gold Experience, he's totally captured the thrill and urgency of his best live shows.

Every song is exploding with life, and you really feel the power of the NPG in the playing.

The album's inspired, basically, and it's really obvious that Prince believed in these songs when he recorded them.

A big part of what makes TGE so brilliant is its cohesiveness. Whereas something like Rave just sounds like a patchy batch of songs, TGE feels and sounds like a true album.

Just take a song like P Control on its own; it sounds somewhat silly and out of place. But as an attitude-filled opener that directly leads into the fierceness of Endorphinmachine, it somehow fits perfectly.

That's the way I feel about all the songs on here. Not one feels tacked on or placed randomly. Every track flows wonderfully and is strengthened by its context on the album.

A lot of fans criticize the production, but I actually think that's one of the album's strongest merits.

Yes, it sounds loud, and very polished. I think that's precisely the point. The songs all end up feeling enriched as a result. It gives the album a consistent sound.

People have complained a lot about a lack of guitar in his albums since Purple Rain. Well, here you go. TGE only has some of the most inspired guitar playing from The Kid that I've ever heard. That solo in Shhh is yearning summed up, and that solo at the end of Gold? Not only is it incredibly rousing, but to me, it's like Prince speaking through his guitar that we don't have any time to wait.

I've even come to appreciate the lyrics on this album. P Control manages to be entertaining while containing a relevant message about female empowerment, Endorphinmachine's fun lyrics compliment its thrilling sound, Eye Hate U effortlessly transitions from anguished love to bitter disdain, and Gold's message, though trite at first, works like an anthem for his career at that point in time.

What's great about The Gold Experience? What isn't? Mostly wonderfully produced songs with incredible hooks, underlying depth, fantastic playing by the whole band, and a consistency that fans have complained a lot of his 90's albums lack.

Prince made a statement with TGE, and it still sounds powerful to me.


...couldn't agree more. This album deserves to be in the top 5 of any self-respecting Prince fan (ahem). Loved the tour too...hard-nosed funk of the highest order.
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Reply #79 posted 05/20/06 12:05pm

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PurpleKnight said:

DiamondGirl said:

It follwoing Diamonds n Pearls, Grafitti Bride (and Symbol) made it greater then it really is


While I don't think the quality of the album itself is anything less than top notch, I do see what you're saying. I think TGE definitely acted as an awakening for some people who thought Prince had completely lost it in the studio.


I like Symbol better, though it's more of a mess. I think the great songs on it are better than Gold's.
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Reply #80 posted 05/20/06 3:53pm

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Purple rain sucks,
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omfg Never thought I'd live to hear someone saying that!!

For what it's worth, and I'm no music critic, I love The Gold Experience. Shh and Shy are my favourite tracks, but I do listen to the whole album start to finish every now and again and it still stands up.

Purple Rain brought us some GREAT songs which, in my opinion, have been reborn when performed live. The Beautiful Ones, Baby I'm A Star and Take Me With You are good examples of this. Purple Rain itself is STILL the best song ever written if you ask me.....which no one did.....but there it is on record anyway biggrin
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Reply #81 posted 05/21/06 7:32am

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I think a lot of people like it because Prince had so much "trouble" releasing it. They feel like they're in some way supporting Prince in his "battles" with the label to like this album.

I've never understood why people liked it so much.

He's not unlike most artists though. They hit a peak of creativity and then everything kind of falls off after that. Maybe it's because they get insulated from the outside world and therefore don't have influences to challenge or inspire them? Not sure. But if you think about it, there aren't many artists whose later work is better than their earlier work. I guess I keep hoping that Prince will be different, that he'll release something of musical significance again, but it's been almost 20 years since he has and I find myself being less and less interested in what he has to say.
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Reply #82 posted 05/21/06 7:55am

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Give me "Gold" over "Purple Rain" any day. Considering I absolutely love the latter, that tells you how much I dig "Gold."

TGE is fire! Lyrically, "Eye Hate U" is one of his best IMO. It's simultaneously amusing and venomous.
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Reply #83 posted 05/21/06 9:12am

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truefunksoldier said:

He's not unlike most artists though. They hit a peak of creativity and then everything kind of falls off after that.


Maybe that's true, but I have a theory that Prince's albums of the 90s don't stand out as much simply because everyone caught up and emulated Prince. The end of the 70s disco and punk dominated. In the 80s I would say rock and pure pop dominated for the large part - while Prince incorporated those elements, he was still mainly doing funk and R&B when not many others were. In the 90s, R&B and funk-inspired pop and hiphop took over so Prince no longer stood out when he continued doing his style. And the era of R&B/hiphop and rap has continued to dominate right upto the present.

In other words, it became harder for an outstanding creative Prince album like TGE to stand out from the crowd when everyone else was sounding like Prince!

I don't know, it's just a theory!
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Reply #84 posted 05/21/06 9:28am

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The Gold Experience is super fantastic awesome sexypants.

It has such a strong set of songs on it in my opinion, with really on-the-money production (that snare in Now, the bass stroke before the beat on P Control, the drums on Shhhh... I could go on), it's often the first album I go to when I get a friend to a stage of 'just check some tracks out, you might like it', and one of the songs will always hook 'em!
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Reply #85 posted 05/21/06 12:25pm

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luv4all7 said:

I don't think its over rated.

Its one album that I know *I* can say there isn't one single song I dis like. Including P Control.

I'm with you on that. In fact next to diamonds and pearls, it was
probably by far the best prince cd of the 90's. I will admit i never
got to listen to emancipation so i would not know where emancipation
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Reply #86 posted 05/22/06 2:24am

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If we have to explain it to you, you'll never get it
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Reply #87 posted 05/22/06 5:59am

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cool TGE is one of my favorites. I think it is his last best 90's cd. music
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Reply #88 posted 05/22/06 10:24am

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If we have to explain it to you, you'll never get it


Is this Anthony Keidis?
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Reply #89 posted 05/22/06 6:09pm

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I think a lot of people like it because Prince had so much "trouble" releasing it. They feel like they're in some way supporting Prince in his "battles" with the label to like this album.

I've never understood why people liked it so much.

He's not unlike most artists though. They hit a peak of creativity and then everything kind of falls off after that. Maybe it's because they get insulated from the outside world and therefore don't have influences to challenge or inspire them? Not sure. But if you think about it, there aren't many artists whose later work is better than their earlier work. I guess I keep hoping that Prince will be different, that he'll release something of musical significance again, but it's been almost 20 years since he has and I find myself being less and less interested in what he has to say.


I feel you. The enthusiasm for Gold mystifies me. Outside the hardcore, there's not a whole lot of appreciation for it, so maybe Prince captured some energy unique to his diehards. I don't know, it's a wordy album with disjointed ideas, and an odd sense of agitation and righteousness running through the music. People around here praise it for its energy, but I just hear frustration.

As for artists hitting their peak and plateauing, I think U2 is an exception. They've maintained their commercial and aristic instincts for well over two decades now. "Atomic Bomb" was excellent.
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