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What's So Great About The Gold Experience? Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.
It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often: "P Control is pathetic posing and bad rap Endorphinmachine was ruined in production We March is plastic & cheesy Beautiful is boring & cheesy Dolphin is just plain lame Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics Gold is pandering pop, with none of the soul of Purple Rain (which it's clearly an answer to)." This leaves SHHH, Now, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, & Shy as pretty well liked in general. Five songs that don't get much criticism, but are they classics? Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated? [Edited 5/17/06 13:30pm] My Legacy
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Eye hate U's da shit!
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NDRU said: is Gold overrated?
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I don't think its over rated.
Its one album that I know *I* can say there isn't one single song I dis like. Including P Control. | |
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I dig the album. | |
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I just heard a live version of We March. I think from NPGMC. Amazing. The band was so explosive. I've always liked this song, though. My Legacy
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Definately the most over-rated amongst the Orgers. "He's a musician's musician..." | |
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Giovanni777 said: Definately the most over-rated amongst the Orgers.
I agree. I always hit the skip button on "Now" and "TMBGITW". It's a good album, but I like 3121 better. |
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Giovanni777 said: Definately the most over-rated amongst the Orgers.
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I think TGE is a bit like 3121 - individually, you can criticise all of the songs for this or that, but somehow together they add upto a strong, punchy album. | |
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NDRU said: Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.
It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often. P Control is pathetic posing and bad rap Endorphinmachine was ruined in production We March is plastic & cheesy Beautiful is boring & cheesy Dolphin is just plain lame Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics Gold is pandering pop, with none of the soul of Purple Rain (which it's clearly an answer to). This leaves SHHH, Now, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, & Shy as pretty well liked in general. Five songs that don't get much criticism, but are they classics? Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated? [b]Look Mommy! I too can display my prejudice and subjectivity without really saying anything other than "I don't like it". What's so great about Purple Rain? Let's go crazy---stupid sermon intro and cheesy 80's guitar Take me with U---- Gushy and corny Apollonia is a horrible singer. Beautiful Ones-- Sappy, Boring, and screechy. Computer Blue----Just plain Lame Darling Nikki-----Derivative Prince being dirty and, again, boring. When Doves Cry-----Cheesy keyboards and stupid lack of bass I would die 4 U--typically inane Prince religious posturing Baby, I'm a star---corny show choir American Idol crap--pandering to the crowd Purple Rain-----again, corny, and pandering to the unintellectual country/pop crowd. Middle america will LOVE this, but it's below Prince. You see? It's easy to stupidly critique without any real substance. You can do it for any type of art.Please, if you want to discuss the merit of the album, raise the level a little bit. Anyone can trash something and day "it sucks". Be specific and I'll do likewise in telling you why The Gold Experience is classic Prince.[/b] [Edited 5/17/06 12:52pm] "New Power slide...." |
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319, I hate U, P-control, Dolphin, and Now (if only it didn't have the "light another one" dialogue) are all top notch Prince tracks.
"I hate U" takes a familiar genre and produces it all conservative camp style but then the intensity of the mite's little immature emotions becomes so intense and in your face that it becomes brilliant!!!!! My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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skywalker said: NDRU said: Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.
It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often. P Control is pathetic posing and bad rap Endorphinmachine was ruined in production We March is plastic & cheesy Beautiful is boring & cheesy Dolphin is just plain lame Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics Gold is pandering pop, with none of the soul of Purple Rain (which it's clearly an answer to). This leaves SHHH, Now, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, & Shy as pretty well liked in general. Five songs that don't get much criticism, but are they classics? Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated? [b]Look Mommy! I too can display my prejudice and subjectivity without really saying anything other than "I don't like it". What's so great about Purple Rain? Let's go crazy---stupid sermon intro and cheesy 80's guitar Take me with U---- Gushy and corny Apollonia is a horrible singer. Beautiful Ones-- Sappy, Boring, and screechy. Computer Blue----Just plain Lame Darling Nikki-----Derivative Prince being dirty and, again, boring. When Doves Cry-----Cheesy keyboards and stupid lack of bass I would die 4 U--typically inane Prince religious posturing Baby, I'm a star---corny show choir American Idol crap--pandering to the crowd Purple Rain-----again, corny, and pandering to the unintellectual country/pop crowd. Middle america will LOVE this, but it's below Prince. You see? It's easy to stupidly critique without any real substance. You can do it for any type of art.Please, if you want to discuss the merit of the album, raise the level a little bit. Anyone can trash something and day "it sucks". Be specific and I'll do likewise in telling you why The Gold Experience is classic Prince.[/b] [Edited 5/17/06 12:52pm] I think you might have misunderstood me. I like this album, I was paraphrasing some of the comments I have read from other people. The album is highly praised, but many of the songs are routinely put down. Maybe it's just greater than the sum of its parts. Yes, people also will say Purple rain sucks, but not as many as will say Endorphinmachine was completely ruined on the Gold Experience. [Edited 5/17/06 13:47pm] My Legacy
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NDRU said: Yes, people also will say Purple rain sucks, but not as many as will say Endorphinmachine was completely ruined on the Gold Experience. Only those people that have heard the unreleased versions of Endorphinmachine would say that the production ruined the released version, and of course you weren't supposed to hear those early versions anyway. Personally, I have always preferred the released version, the extra production and sounds enrich it in my opinion. The original version sounds a bit rawer, but raw doesn't always equal better. Same for the difference between the original Gold and the released version. At the very least, 'ruined' is an over-exaggeration, there are a few slight differences but they don't 'ruin' the song anymore than a bit of bass on When Doves Cry would have completely 'ruined' that song. Made it slightly less brilliant, maybe, but that's about it. | |
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metalorange said: NDRU said: Yes, people also will say Purple rain sucks, but not as many as will say Endorphinmachine was completely ruined on the Gold Experience. Only those people that have heard the unreleased versions of Endorphinmachine would say that the production ruined the released version, and of course you weren't supposed to hear those early versions anyway. Personally, I have always preferred the released version, the extra production and sounds enrich it in my opinion. The original version sounds a bit rawer, but raw doesn't always equal better. Same for the difference between the original Gold and the released version. At the very least, 'ruined' is an over-exaggeration, there are a few slight differences but they don't 'ruin' the song anymore than a bit of bass on When Doves Cry would have completely 'ruined' that song. Made it slightly less brilliant, maybe, but that's about it. Yes, you can't help the impressions songs make on you (and I haven't heard the original endorphinmachine) but it seems unfair in some cases, particularly with Fury. The SNL version came after the studio version, but rather than praise Prince for making it better people feel he ruined the live version on the album?! I've wondered about Right Back Here in My Arms & Days of Wild, 2 songs I've never liked that I've heard have better versions around. I've always liked Endorphinmachine as is, myself. And in the case of that & Fury the complaints about ruining it are sort of backhanded compliments. People are outraged because they felt something very special was missing that was there in other versions. My Legacy
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I fucking LOVE The Gold Experience. I think it's an awesome album, and definately a classic. |
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moderatorIt's the fan-freakin-tastic guitar work. "She made me glad to be a man" | |
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Def Top 5...
A CLASSIC. Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind. | |
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metalorange said: I think TGE is a bit like 3121 - individually, you can criticise all of the songs for this or that, but somehow together they add upto a strong, punchy album.
That's what I wanted to know. The songs on Diamonds & Pearls are strong individually, but they don't add up to a great album in my opinion. It's part of the magic of music. Bono said ...Atomic Bomb was the strongest group of songs U2 had ever done, but the album was less than the sum of it's parts and it bothered him. Maybe the fact that Gold was made at an important time in Prince's life gave it extra life, though the material on a song by song basis is not perfect, as you say. My Legacy
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My Second favourite album.
I think the weak points are We March and I hate U, but the rest is so great. Its the flow. Look at the recent thread on Come. Most people agree the indivdual tracks are good, but it failed in the overall flow. A truely great album is a sum of its parts. . | |
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Another Prince classic  . | |
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metalorange said: I think TGE is a bit like 3121 - individually, you can criticise all of the songs for this or that, but somehow together they add upto a strong, punchy album.
Co-sign I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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I think you might have misunderstood me. I like this album, I was paraphrasing some of the comments I have read from other people. The album is highly praised, but many of the songs are routinely put down. Maybe it's just greater than the sum of its parts.
Yes, people also will say Purple rain sucks, but not as many as will say Endorphinmachine was completely ruined on the Gold Experience. 1st of all, I apologize if this felt as it was meant for you. What I was trying to say is that people are going talk ill about things just to speak ill. It's easy for people to shit on things without reason. 2ndly, who will say Purple Rain sucks? I can see it not being THE favorite, but sucks? I feel the same about The Gold Experience. "New Power slide...." |
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NDRU said: Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.
It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often: "P Control is pathetic posing and bad rap Endorphinmachine was ruined in production We March is plastic & cheesy Beautiful is boring & cheesy Dolphin is just plain lame Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics Gold is pandering pop, with none of the soul of Purple Rain (which it's clearly an answer to)." This leaves SHHH, Now, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, & Shy as pretty well liked in general. Five songs that don't get much criticism, but are they classics? Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated? [Edited 5/17/06 13:30pm] Cheesy is the perfect word for alot of this album, I love Shhh and Billy Jack Bitch but I think 319 should be at the top of the cheesy list and Shy at the top of the boring list. Dolphin and TMBGITW are ok by me, for reasons I won't go into. IMO no amount of production could have saved Endorphinmachine, it sounds like a tune Poison would have rejected as too dumb - and thats saying something! Despite its popularity amongst Orgers ( who seem mostly to have come to like Prince by accident rather than through good taste ), its not a great album. For me, Come and TGE are the start of the 90s decline which bottomed out with NPS and Rave. But thats just my humble, yet always correct, opinion. [Edited 5/17/06 17:56pm] "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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skywalker said: NDRU said: Before you jump all over me, I like this album just fine.
It's so often hailed as a classic around here--the one 90's album worthy of his catalog. But the individual songs get bashed pretty often. P Control is pathetic posing and bad rap Endorphinmachine was ruined in production We March is plastic & cheesy Beautiful is boring & cheesy Dolphin is just plain lame Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics Gold is pandering pop, with none of the soul of Purple Rain (which it's clearly an answer to). This leaves SHHH, Now, 319, Billy Jack Bitch, & Shy as pretty well liked in general. Five songs that don't get much criticism, but are they classics? Am I misreading people's comments, or is Gold overrated? [b]Look Mommy! I too can display my prejudice and subjectivity without really saying anything other than "I don't like it". What's so great about Purple Rain? Let's go crazy---stupid sermon intro and cheesy 80's guitar Take me with U---- Gushy and corny Apollonia is a horrible singer. Beautiful Ones-- Sappy, Boring, and screechy. Computer Blue----Just plain Lame Darling Nikki-----Derivative Prince being dirty and, again, boring. When Doves Cry-----Cheesy keyboards and stupid lack of bass I would die 4 U--typically inane Prince religious posturing Baby, I'm a star---corny show choir American Idol crap--pandering to the crowd Purple Rain-----again, corny, and pandering to the unintellectual country/pop crowd. Middle america will LOVE this, but it's below Prince. You see? It's easy to stupidly critique without any real substance. You can do it for any type of art.Please, if you want to discuss the merit of the album, raise the level a little bit. Anyone can trash something and day "it sucks". Be specific and I'll do likewise in telling you why The Gold Experience is classic Prince.[/b] [Edited 5/17/06 12:52pm] Art is subjective. Its just a matter of personal taste...."I don't like it" is an entirely valid response. It wouldn't matter how detailed you made your argument that TGE was "classic Prince', in the end it'd just be a long winded way of saying "I like it". [Edited 5/17/06 17:54pm] "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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ILL put it like this .....SONNY T, MICHAEL B, TOMMY B, MORRIS HAYES. IM SORRY BUT THE GOLD EXPERIENCE WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL B DA SHIT!!!!!
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nowikno1 said: ILL put it like this .....SONNY T, MICHAEL B, TOMMY B, MORRIS HAYES. IM SORRY BUT THE GOLD EXPERIENCE WAS, AND ALWAYS WILL B DA SHIT!!!!!
now back to our regularly scheduled program I love the NPG from that period, my favourite Prince band. I would say that, yes, the NPG was da shit, unfortunately alot of the songs on the album were just shit ( no "da" ) and it wouldn't have mattered who was playing them. "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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The Gold Experience more people need to hear, great album, great vibrant production/mastering, sticks out in Prince's catalog, being heavy (notice the bass guitar is tuned down) and rockin. | |
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'The Gold Experience' is awful.
I think whether or not you enjoy it, depends on how you listen to music in general. Whatever music I'm listening to, the words and the bass seem to cancel everything else out. The lyrics on this album are atrocious. There's maybe three good songs on it. I think the only reason it's rated so highly here, is because it's out of print. If it were as ubiquitous as Emancipation, everybody would hate it. From 1990 to 2003, the majority of his music was horrible and this album is the apex of shittiness. | |
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NDRU said: Eye Hate U is typical dull Prince balladry with questionable lyrics
What do you question about the lyrics? | |
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