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PrintableGraycap23 said: Why can't we just be happy that Prince is making music. I dig 3121 for what "it" is.....a new release by Prince. All of the comparison's and such is getting really old. If you guys like Prince from another time and space feel free to listen to those cd's.....
I'm just glad we have so MUCH material that we can pick and choose which are our favorites. Keep 'em coming Prince.  I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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skywalker said: The deck is pretty much stacked against Prince when it comes to him meeting fan expectations.
-Every fan loves Prince for different reasons, different sounds, different styles, different attitudes, and different ideas about what "prince" should be. Pleasing everyone is impossible. -Each person/fan has their own "glory years". Meaning, Prince cannot recreate your entire past life experiences for you. Unless the man can invent a time machine, he is not going to put you in the same place you were when you 1st heard Purple Rain. Things change. How many times can you drive a new car until it's not new anymore? Do you still play with your toys from childhood? Is your relationship with your signifigant other the same as when you had just met? Prince has a lot to offer, but I think it is unrealistic to expect him to continue being just like the 1st time to you. You are used to it. 3121 is someone's favorite Prince album, does it have to be yours? [Edited 5/17/06 9:25am] Exactly. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: skywalker said: The deck is pretty much stacked against Prince when it comes to him meeting fan expectations.
-Every fan loves Prince for different reasons, different sounds, different styles, different attitudes, and different ideas about what "prince" should be. Pleasing everyone is impossible. -Each person/fan has their own "glory years". Meaning, Prince cannot recreate your entire past life experiences for you. Unless the man can invent a time machine, he is not going to put you in the same place you were when you 1st heard Purple Rain. Things change. How many times can you drive a new car until it's not new anymore? Do you still play with your toys from childhood? Is your relationship with your signifigant other the same as when you had just met? Prince has a lot to offer, but I think it is unrealistic to expect him to continue being just like the 1st time to you. You are used to it. 3121 is someone's favorite Prince album, does it have to be yours? [Edited 5/17/06 9:25am] Exactly. co-sign.. Excellent Post skywalker. I often wonder why people like to bitch about things they dislike so much. If your relationship with Prince has ended move on to something new. If it's so bad that you have to keep bitching about it ad nauseum on a message board why bother? Seems like so much wasted energy. | |
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I like every single song on 3121, but the song sequence is too chaotic, so I made my own compilation with the upbeat electronic styled songs at the beginning, then the slow chillout songs (they sound great together!), and then finally "get on the boat," "s.s.t.," and "brand new orleans."
Two months later, and I'm still lovin' it!  | |
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tricky99 said: skywalker said: The deck is pretty much stacked against Prince when it comes to him meeting fan expectations.
-Every fan loves Prince for different reasons, different sounds, different styles, different attitudes, and different ideas about what "prince" should be. Pleasing everyone is impossible. -Each person/fan has their own "glory years". Meaning, Prince cannot recreate your entire past life experiences for you. Unless the man can invent a time machine, he is not going to put you in the same place you were when you 1st heard Purple Rain. Things change. How many times can you drive a new car until it's not new anymore? Do you still play with your toys from childhood? Is your relationship with your signifigant other the same as when you had just met? Prince has a lot to offer, but I think it is unrealistic to expect him to continue being just like the 1st time to you. You are used to it. 3121 is someone's favorite Prince album, does it have to be yours? [Edited 5/17/06 9:25am] cosign too. U are always on point skywalker. I usually agree with everything u say. We are all prince addicts. Some of us are content to get our maintenance, others are still looking to duplicate that first high. I feel sorry for them because it can't happen. don't feel sorry for them tricky. we all like what we like. if folks don't like 3121, they'll either stay for the next one or they'll leave but whatever happens, i'm going to have fun regardless. my view of this cd hasn't changed at all, i still love it. i got what i wanted from it, and that was a fun album from prince. i couldn't be more pleased. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: purplecam said: Exactly. co-sign.. Excellent Post skywalker. I often wonder why people like to bitch about things they dislike so much. If your relationship with Prince has ended move on to something new. If it's so bad that you have to keep bitching about it ad nauseum on a message board why bother? Seems like so much wasted energy.Ain't that the truth? It gets so old so fast and it changes nothing. So many expectations I've read throughout the years are so unrealistic that it's no wonder why people keep on complaining. They set their own asses up for disappointment. I have no sympathy for them. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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I'd say it's perhaps an average album at best...
Rotation Level: High - 3121, Fury Medium/High - Lolita, The Dance Medium - Black Sweat, Love, Satisfied, The Word, Get On The Boat Medium/Low - Te Amo corazon, Beautiful Loved & Blessed Low - Incense And Candles |
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I still like the album as much as I did. However, the more I listen to it, the more I think it has an overdose of Támar. Life belongs to those who are alive | |
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I still love it. It's my favorite album of 2006 so far. Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you! | |
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GiggityGoo said: Okay, now that we've all had time to ingest and process "3121"... how many of you were as underwhelmed as I was?
"Lolita" was fun, "Black Sweat" was dark and cool, "3121" sort of had a "Calhoun Square"-ish vibe... but the rest of it was incredibly derivative. I miss the Prince that did his own thing, not this current Prince that's still trying to play catch-up with trends. For instance, all the Latin-influenced rhythms and dialogue/lyrics. Or the Madonna/Cher vocal processing. THAT'S NOT PRINCE. Look, I'm not here trying to rain on anyone's parade. I love Prince. I've been a fan for two decades plus. The Lovesexy '88 tour was the best show I've ever seen, hands down. But in my opinion, "3121" was just a notch above "Musicology", which was another disappointment. And when it came out, so many people were RAVING about this album. Five stars, 9 out of 10, etc. And I just honestly don't hear it. I wasn't one of the ravers. I thought 3121 was and is mediocre at best. It's a slight improvement on Musicology (which was Prince with the safety catch on and his hands in his pockets, all very pleasant, though hardly challenging) but it's still old ground being covered in new shoes. 3121, Black Sweat, Love, Fury and The Word are great, but the rest is makeweight. It's not even as good as New Power Soul and a million miles removed from Rainbow Children and Xpectation. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Moonbeam said: I still love it. It's my favorite album of 2006 so far.
Mine's Scott Walker's The Drift. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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BSK3601 said: absolute urgency and unrelenting passion and energy
Will someone please define that shit???!!! Personally, I think yall use these clichéd ass terms just because you think it's been in fashion to do so. (i.e. Peter Griffin describing something as 'shallow and pedantic'.) And bonus points to anyone who can name another artist who has continually released music with this so-called "absolute urgency and unrelenting passion". You didn't understand? I'll explain then. You hear that scream in Endorphinmachine? That is urgency and passion summed up. Now compare that to the perfunctory scream in the studio version of Fury. Does it ruin the music? No, not at all. I just think the same passion found in his live performances has been missing from his studio albums for a while. And to answer your last question: Radiohead. [Edited 5/18/06 1:53am] The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Shapeshifter said: It's not even as good as New Power Soul
Harsh. 
and a million miles removed from Rainbow Children and Xpectation.
Thank fuck.  | |
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Cloudbuster said: Shapeshifter said: It's not even as good as New Power Soul
Harsh.
I agree. 3121 is a more consistant album, and the songs are generally of a higher standard. But there's nothing on the album as good as Wasted Kisses or Mad Sex IMO. And Incense & Candles is every bit as bad as the worst of NPS. | |
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Cloudbuster said: Shapeshifter said: It's not even as good as New Power Soul
Harsh.
and a million miles removed from Rainbow Children and Xpectation.
Thank fuck. Well, it's down to personal taste. If you liked 3121 fine, great and may all your days be happy. I just happen to like Prince when he's experimenting and making challenging music - which he has for most of his career. I don't blame him for wanting to play it safe and make some money now, but it's boring. Compare the One Night alone tour to the Musicology one. Only the acoustic portion of the show really came alive. The rest was raunch by rote. I hope he'll go back to doing more left field stuff soon. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Cloudbuster said: Thank fuck. Well, it's down to personal taste. If you liked 3121 fine, great and may all your days be happy. I just happen to like Prince when he's experimenting and making challenging music - which he has for most of his career. I don't blame him for wanting to play it safe and make some money now, but it's boring. Compare the One Night alone tour to the Musicology one. Only the acoustic portion of the show really came alive. The rest was raunch by rote. I hope he'll go back to doing more left field stuff soon. Like News? . |
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MattyJam said: Cloudbuster said: Harsh.
I agree. 3121 is a more consistant album, and the songs are generally of a higher standard. But there's nothing on the album as good as Wasted Kisses or Mad Sex IMO. And Incense & Candles is every bit as bad as the worst of NPS. NPS may be a weak album but it has four classics on it - Come On, The One, Wasted Kisses, Mad Sex. To me, 3121 doesn't have a single song on it as good as those. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Shapeshifter said: Well, it's down to personal taste. If you liked 3121 fine, great and may all your days be happy. I just happen to like Prince when he's experimenting and making challenging music - which he has for most of his career. I don't blame him for wanting to play it safe and make some money now, but it's boring. Compare the One Night alone tour to the Musicology one. Only the acoustic portion of the show really came alive. The rest was raunch by rote. I hope he'll go back to doing more left field stuff soon. Like News? That wasn't left field. That was SHIT. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: MattyJam said: I agree. 3121 is a more consistant album, and the songs are generally of a higher standard. But there's nothing on the album as good as Wasted Kisses or Mad Sex IMO. And Incense & Candles is every bit as bad as the worst of NPS. NPS may be a weak album but it has four classics on it - Come On, The One, Wasted Kisses, Mad Sex. To me, 3121 doesn't have a single song on it as good as those. I was agreeing with you not the guy who said it was "harsh." I love New Power Soul and the four songs you mentioned are amongst my all time Prince favourites. Particularly Mad Sex. I drool on the floor whenever that comes on! That piano line is off the hook! | |
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MattyJam said: Shapeshifter said: NPS may be a weak album but it has four classics on it - Come On, The One, Wasted Kisses, Mad Sex. To me, 3121 doesn't have a single song on it as good as those. I was agreeing with you not the guy who said it was "harsh." I love New Power Soul and the four songs you mentioned are amongst my all time Prince favourites. Particularly Mad Sex. I drool on the floor whenever that comes on! That piano line is off the hook! My bad!
Mad Sex was reputedly about Mel B, which makes it the funkiest and only decent musical thing ever associated with a Spice Girl. Come On is the last of the great pervy Prince songs. And I think Wasted Kisses has to be one of the saddest, darkest things he's ever recorded. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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GiggityGoo said: Okay, now that we've all had time to ingest and process "3121"... how many of you were as underwhelmed as I was?
"Lolita" was fun, "Black Sweat" was dark and cool, "3121" sort of had a "Calhoun Square"-ish vibe... but the rest of it was incredibly derivative. I miss the Prince that did his own thing, not this current Prince that's still trying to play catch-up with trends. For instance, all the Latin-influenced rhythms and dialogue/lyrics. Or the Madonna/Cher vocal processing. THAT'S NOT PRINCE. Look, I'm not here trying to rain on anyone's parade. I love Prince. I've been a fan for two decades plus. The Lovesexy '88 tour was the best show I've ever seen, hands down. But in my opinion, "3121" was just a notch above "Musicology", which was another disappointment. And when it came out, so many people were RAVING about this album. Five stars, 9 out of 10, etc. And I just honestly don't hear it. I loved it when I bought it. I love it now.  The Normal Whores Club | |
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Shapeshifter said: MattyJam said: I was agreeing with you not the guy who said it was "harsh." I love New Power Soul and the four songs you mentioned are amongst my all time Prince favourites. Particularly Mad Sex. I drool on the floor whenever that comes on! That piano line is off the hook! My bad!
Mad Sex was reputedly about Mel B, which makes it the funkiest and only decent musical thing ever associated with a Spice Girl. Come On is the last of the great pervy Prince songs. And I think Wasted Kisses has to be one of the saddest, darkest things he's ever recorded. I would love to be able to play the piano hook be-bop style part of Mad Sex... I wish a transcription existed. | |
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Love is one of the best songs I've heard in a long time....The rest of the album is okay. It's no Musicology, unfortunately. It's no Chaos and Disorder either, thank goodness. I'd say it's somewhere next to "New Power Soul" and "Come" in the average Prince album section. Occupy Alphabet Street!
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Gotta say fair play to "3121". For me it's a familiar process of getting into a new Prince album. Initially really liking a couple of tunes, and only playing them, then another track sneaks through the net, until there's a whole bunch you're listening to. So u hold your hands up and say "Fair play Prince. U got me again". My bunch at the mo? - 3121 (best thing he's done in years), Lolita, Love, The Word, BL&B (love the end groove) & Get on the boat. Definitely a feel-good album with a freshness to it from a man who seems more confident and at ease. Thank god, after the dross of Musicology.
And for first time since "The Gold Experience", I'd like to seem him tour with this record. | |
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darn fine album,put it like this ain't nothing else out can touch it.and if people heard this thing on radio, sells would sky and opinons would change from good to great.cant he just have a little fun sometimes without being mozart.beautiful loved and bless is the --it. stickman | |
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his stuff is just not that fresh anymore...he sounds like a collage of lesser artist with less musicality than he has...Im listening to the rainbow children right now..and although its not my fav (parade is) I can still appreciate the musicality and growth that i hear when i listen to this album... | |
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PurpleKnight said: BSK3601 said: Will someone please define that shit???!!! Personally, I think yall use these clichéd ass terms just because you think it's been in fashion to do so. (i.e. Peter Griffin describing something as 'shallow and pedantic'.) And bonus points to anyone who can name another artist who has continually released music with this so-called "absolute urgency and unrelenting passion". You didn't understand? I'll explain then. You hear that scream in Endorphinmachine? That is urgency and passion summed up. Now compare that to the perfunctory scream in the studio version of Fury. Does it ruin the music? No, not at all. I just think the same passion found in his live performances has been missing from his studio albums for a while. And to answer your last question: Radiohead. [Edited 5/18/06 1:53am] Your answer pretty much confirms what I thought in the first place. | |
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Graycap23 said: Why can't we just be happy that Prince is making music. I dig 3121 for what "it" is.....a new release by Prince. All of the comparison's and such is getting really old. If you guys like Prince from another time and space feel free to listen to those cd's.....
I'm just glad we have so MUCH material that we can pick and choose which are our favorites. Keep 'em coming Prince. I agree. I think we'd all be pretty pissed if the said F*** it I quit. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Yes, someone in the world does like New Power Soul (for the most part) me 'A pillow covered in all our tears' | |
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actionthisday said: Graycap23 said: Why can't we just be happy that Prince is making music. I dig 3121 for what "it" is.....a new release by Prince. All of the comparison's and such is getting really old. If you guys like Prince from another time and space feel free to listen to those cd's.....
I'm just glad we have so MUCH material that we can pick and choose which are our favorites. Keep 'em coming Prince. I agree. I think we'd all be pretty pissed if the said F*** it I quit. If you don't like it, don't listen to it. Yes, someone in the world does like New Power Soul (for the most part) me The same people that are ALWAYS complaining and comparing will be the same people pissed off if Prince went to releasing new cd's every 2 to 5 years. Some people are just NEVER satisfied. "WE" are lucky to have been on the Prince musical journey for almost 30 years. Stop tripping and enjoy the ride. I know I will. | |
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