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PrintableThe one thing that I do not like about Prince is $$$$ being the bottom line for most things | |
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coolcat said: Jaarod86 said: he didnt write that song,  ??? I never knew that. Who wrote it????Sandra St. Victor (i think there might have been a couple of other writers too). But Prince princified the lyrics. I got this from Housequake: "Princified I met The Artist in 1996 at the offices of Warner Brothers in LA. He came in sucking on a lollipop and being shy. I actually dug him instantly. We talked about what he thought I should do at that time musically. I was impressed with his forthrightness. He surprised me by saying that the album after Soft and Wet, which was his first big hit, was sort of a compromise for him! His advice was that I follow the same route. The route being, give them half an album of what they want, ‘they’ being the record label, and do what you want with the other half. Since I had felt and do still feel, that this album was as brilliant as his first, I had never conceived that this could be a compromise! But with this in mind, and after more conversations, we both went on to see what we could come up with. Long story short, he sent me 5 songs, which he had re-done, ‘Princified’ if you will, from my lyrics. These songs are “Love Is” (Van Gogh), “I’ll Never Open My Legs Again” ( I’ll Never Be Another Fool), “Sanctuary”, (Soul Sanctuary), “Nothing Left To Give” (Heart Of Stone), and “How We Livin’ “(Livin’ To Die). Some of the originals are available on my site. When “Emancipation came out, WITH Soul Sanctuary on it, it was a surprise to me! I went about finding out what I could via my publishing company, and swifty received a check from his majesty in the mail. But since then, I’ve seen these songs coming out here and there, with no form of recognition or royalty for myself or the other writers that worked with me on the songs. The only one that I knew of beforehand was “I’ll Never Open My Legs Again” ( I’ll Never Be Another Fool), and that’s because Chaka told me of course. Anyway... I totally dig Mr. Man, but I don’t understand why someone as talented as him works like this. Love & Light, SSV" Prince is a TRIP. | |
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anniechristian1 said: 1 thing I don't like the Jehovah Witness choice. That changed everything
Yes, I'm not too fond of that either. We'll see how long he sticks with that belief... Anyway, it's his life. | |
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Its not necessarily something I dislike but it is a fault of his , and others have eluded to it , is that he relates to stuff hes gonna do that never materialises . We know Prince at any one time probably has a half dozen different projects going through his head that hes got planned for himself and to unleash on us , but more often than not they never come to light . Prince should really stop telling us stuff he'd like to do unless hes damn sure its actually gonna happen , cos hes done it waaay too many times now and it leaves us taking everything he says with a pinch of salt .
On another point made in this thread , I dont really mind too much that sometimes Prince takes credit for other peoples work , for every song Prince has taken the glory for theres an entire albums worth of material that hes given to one of his proteges that hes made under a pseudonym or allowed them to take credit for when actually its more than likely that it had ,if not entirely as is often the case , certain a huge amount of input from him . Prince is probably the most unselfish artist out there when it comes to giving other people music he maybe should have saved for himself. Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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Jaarod86 said:  No no no no no no...I cant believe that. He does shit like that?!!!! Thats really pisses me off. He just lost some MAJOR points in my book with that shit!!!   
That's nothing, honestly, you should pick up one of the biographies. Many of his past associates have taken issue with their contributions not being recognized or their ideas being used without royalties. Personally, my "one thing" would have to be the disrespect he shows his own back catalogue. Not necessarily remastering per se, but things like "1999: The New Master" or the whole "The Cross/The Christ" horror show, or, of course, the fact that he won't perform the old dirty songs. It has seemed that both religion ("The Christ") and money ("The New Master") have meant more to him than the legacy of his own work and history. And his issues with money and with WB are the reason we don't get reissues with unreleased tracks and remastered remixes and extended versions. Those poor, poor songs... ...: s l o w l y c a n d l e b u r n s :... | |
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HE'S FRICKIN' WEIRD!  Doesn't it make you smile when you realize no one was there to see the stupid thing you just did? | |
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2 double CDs a year and all would be grand | |
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skywalker said: Prince is not fan friendly? I COMPLETELY DISAGREE.
Sure, Prince likes his privacy. However, for a superstar of his magnitude he can be incredibly fan friendly. Living in the Twin Cities, I have been to countless Paisley Park parties/ performances for $7 or free. At these parties Prince interacts with the crowd, and, as an audienbce member, you are in an incredibly intimate environment. Prince and his band would freely stroll about the room and talk to people. Also, at performances Prince toutinely invites regular folks up on stage. They are standing right by the dude. Prince has the almost perfect system with NPGMC to ensure that his fans get the best seats at his shows. I have to agree with you 90%. The other 10% is when he has his lawyers send nasty letters to fansites for posting videos of old MTV released videos. I am sure most hard core fans have them on VHS anyway from when they were premiered on MTV. What about the fans that got on the wagon late... and missed "The One" or "18 and Over"? There should be a venue so that you can watch the old stuff... even the stuff from the WB days (hint NPGMC). "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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I love his guitar playing, he's one of my all time favourites, but his vibrato is fucking horrible!
Also, the frequent licking of the fingers ( he doesn't do it quite as much now as he did in the 90s) what the fuck is that about? I assume its just some kind of street-cred-pseudo-pimp bullshit. Considering the places those fingers have been over the years it can't be hygienic. "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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That he hasn't done an aftershow in the Bay Area in YEARS 
... the ant trail mustache too, I hate that he's ever worn it - gimme the porno stache again!!    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Jaarod86 said: coolcat said: Sandra St. Victor (i think there might have been a couple of other writers too). But Prince princified the lyrics. I got this from Housequake: "Princified I met The Artist in 1996 at the offices of Warner Brothers in LA. He came in sucking on a lollipop and being shy. I actually dug him instantly. We talked about what he thought I should do at that time musically. I was impressed with his forthrightness. He surprised me by saying that the album after Soft and Wet, which was his first big hit, was sort of a compromise for him! His advice was that I follow the same route. The route being, give them half an album of what they want, ‘they’ being the record label, and do what you want with the other half. Since I had felt and do still feel, that this album was as brilliant as his first, I had never conceived that this could be a compromise! But with this in mind, and after more conversations, we both went on to see what we could come up with. Long story short, he sent me 5 songs, which he had re-done, ‘Princified’ if you will, from my lyrics. These songs are “Love Is” (Van Gogh), “I’ll Never Open My Legs Again” ( I’ll Never Be Another Fool), “Sanctuary”, (Soul Sanctuary), “Nothing Left To Give” (Heart Of Stone), and “How We Livin’ “(Livin’ To Die). Some of the originals are available on my site. When “Emancipation came out, WITH Soul Sanctuary on it, it was a surprise to me! I went about finding out what I could via my publishing company, and swifty received a check from his majesty in the mail. But since then, I’ve seen these songs coming out here and there, with no form of recognition or royalty for myself or the other writers that worked with me on the songs. The only one that I knew of beforehand was “I’ll Never Open My Legs Again” ( I’ll Never Be Another Fool), and that’s because Chaka told me of course. Anyway... I totally dig Mr. Man, but I don’t understand why someone as talented as him works like this. Love & Light, SSV" No no no no no no...I cant believe that. He does shit like that?!!!! Thats really pisses me off. He just lost some MAJOR points in my book with that shit!!!
[Edited 4/21/06 14:03pm] Oh you guys shouldn't be mad a Prince  . He's always been a wacky guy of tremendous contradictions which is one of the things I HATE about and LOVE about him at the same time. At the end of the day Prince is still a talented song writer/ musician/ performer and most of his catalog is HIM. Everyone who has worked with him will say the same. This is a practice done by many artist in the industry, not just him. He gave her a co-credit and a cute compliment for Soul Sanctuary in that booklet that came in Emancipation. Prince did that crap with members of the Time, Wendy & Lisa and Andre Cymone. They (accept for Andre) are still friends with him. Also remenber he was also GIVING CREDIT to certain associates for SONGS HE WROTE as well. He also use to keep people on his payroll long after the left his organization.
Prince compensates people for their work one way or another. He would be in court constantly if he didn't and totally discredited in the business. She said herself that she still dug him. I don't know the time she made that comment, but I'm quite sure that THEY HAVE SOMETHING WORKED OUT BY NOW.  | |
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Susann209 said: purplecam said: Another thing. Prince loves to talk about what's wrong with things like the radio and record companies but he never does anything about them. You'd think after all these years, Prince would have started somthing like a coaltion for artists against record labels or worked more with radio and MTV during those early
years but nothing. I believe that us fans are paying for all the things that Prince has said over the years. Why do you think we haven't heard Black Sweat all over the radio?I think he's started some kind of organization with Londell but I don't remember too much about it. Was it the award he won on the BET award show last year? Maybe someone with a better memory can elaborate. It's called the Artists Empowerment Coalition. Cornell West mentioned the AEC at the Naacp Image award presentation. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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There are a few things not to like about Prince, which for me are as follows:
-He will not reveal the intricate making of some of his best recordings. I think that many of us are musicians on this forum and the fact we want to know the process he takes from writing, to recording, to engineering, and mixing leaves many of us frustrated. The fact that every one (or mostly every one) that has experience working with him is under a non-disclosure agreement makes it hard to get the skinny, so we have to settle for biographers that really don't know to give us insight and/or their biases are allowed to creep into the work. -His inability to crank up the marketing arm of his work. He seems to be "hands-off" in this area and is even quoted as saying (not a direct quote, so I will not put quote signs around this statement: that once it's made, I've done my part ---That to me is a cop-out. I know in all aspects of my business I am hands on to provide the best possible experience I can and to ensure people know I am out there - Prince could really take some lessons in the area of marketing. -The remastering of his back catalog is very frustrating. I think as an artist he should know that despite how much he tries to go forward his past work is considered brillant by many of his fans and that many of us would like to hear the music utilizing the best technology out there to get a new experience with some great music. The fact that he appears fan-unfriendly to me is not founded. Instead he chooses how he wishes to deal with his fans on his terms. He is easy to get close to (especially if you are a die-hard.) I don't know too many people that would trust you to get arms-length from them or someone who will actually get into the crowd with his fans and interact with them -- of his magnitude. The autograph thing and the fan worshipping perception he has of some fanatics is understandable to me. | |
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well,he seems 2 be past this but I hated how in the beginning he seemed 2 conceal his race as if he didnt want people 2 know where he came from~not cool.I can understand him not wanting people 2 care but c'mon...i didnt like that.I dont care what he is but there was no reason 2 cover up and confuse. | |
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His inability to see between a great song and just an ok song. He has a wack bullshit detector, which is the key to songwriting. Both Pharell and Beck could give him lessons in listening. Sometimes burning bridges is better than building bridges that crash later and kill a bunch of people. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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2freaky4church1 said: Both Pharell and Beck could give him lessons in listening.
Prince taught those 2 wannabes everrrrydamnthing they know , theyd be nothing without him paving the way . Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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That was then, this is now. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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2freaky4church1 said: That was then, this is now.
I bow to your amazing comprehension of the complexities of time  Check out Chocadelica , updated with Lotusflow3r and MPLSound album lyrics April 2nd 2009 :
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Bend it, but don't break it. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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His bottom half. | |
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BoySimon said: His bottom half.
...Stop trying to transexualize him. | |
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The fact he subscibes to conservative and intolerant Christianity (Jehovahs Witness- anti gay, sexist towards women).
Also that he hasnt come out yet, face it Prince the jigs up. 17 Years ago I made a commitment to Prince | |
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tane1976 said: The fact he subscibes to conservative and intolerant Christianity (Jehovahs Witness- anti gay, sexist towards women).
Also that he hasnt come out yet, face it Prince the jigs up. I guess we were due for the latest installment of the gay label... | |
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teaming up with Larry Grahm |
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BoySimon said: His bottom half.
Facetiousness aside, what don't you like about "his bottom half"? | |
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violetorgangrinder said: BoySimon said: His bottom half.
Facetiousness aside, what don't you like about "his bottom half"? BoySimon you should be slapped for that comment...EVERYONE should LOVE Prince's lower body!  | |
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tane1976 said: The fact he subscibes to conservative and intolerant Christianity (Jehovahs Witness- anti gay, sexist towards women).
Also that he hasnt come out yet, face it Prince the jigs up.
Prince would be the worst closet case ever. No gay man thinks about fucking women as much as Prince does. [Edited 4/23/06 6:19am] | |
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That he putted more energy to some of his talentless protegees. | |
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