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Printablejoelmarable said: I dont want u to get the wrong impression here if any other artist, face wyclef etc, would have come out with 3121 it would have been a remarkable accomplishment.but we are talking the best here [prince]he is capable of so much more challenging music.3121 is great its just going to wear thin quicker than trc or news or around the world or anything else concepted music he's delivered.again its got some bombs just non challenging like the song 3121.
I disagree. this album isn't so-so because it is Prince, it is so-so because it is so-so, regardless of who made it. my opinion of it isn't formulated in comparrison to other Prince albums, it is formulated against how I enjoy it. sure, this is subjective, but I don't agree with people saying bad Prince would be great other musicians, which only is an attempt to diminish other musicians abilities as if bad Prince is as good as they ever hope to be. that just shows bias. Prince is not the end all be all of great music, there are plenty of musicians today just as great and even better. [Edited 4/18/06 12:23pm] this message brought to you by logic. | |
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dumbass said: joelmarable said: I dont want u to get the wrong impression here if any other artist, face wyclef etc, would have come out with 3121 it would have been a remarkable accomplishment.but we are talking the best here [prince]he is capable of so much more challenging music.3121 is great its just going to wear thin quicker than trc or news or around the world or anything else concepted music he's delivered.again its got some bombs just non challenging like the song 3121.
I disagree. this album isn't so-so because it is Prince, it is so-so because it is so-so, regardless of who made it. my opinion of it isn't formulated in comparrison to other Prince albums, it is formulated against how I enjoy it. sure, this is subjective, but I don't agree with people saying bad Prince would be great other musicians, which only is an attempt to diminish other musicians abilities as if bad Prince is as good as they ever hope to be. that just shows bias. Prince is not the end all be all of great music, there are plenty of musicians today just as great and even better. [Edited 4/18/06 12:23pm] No, it's more a reflection of the fact that Prince fans know his tricks, his voice, his vocals, his personality, his guitar riffs, his musical mannerisms...anyone else puts out this album and the focus is on the melodies (which this CD has tons to spare), the vocal delivery (this CD is full of vocals with sincere, true personality and charisma, so damn rare in pop music), and the funk. But Prince puts it out, and the focus is on how he's done the same thing in the past numerous times, only better...how it's not "pushing the envelope" like his past albums, etc... | |
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thebige said: It really is shocking to me how much people think 3121 is better than Musicology. I think P has you all fooled with production. 3121 was definitely given a fuller production value, but Musicology was far, far more substantial musically and songwise. 3121 is so half-baked creatively, so forced. Musicology was slightly forced as well, but had better results in terms of the songs presented. I know it's all subjective, so I won't go on too much, but when I read people's comments here and some of the reviews I've seen for 3121 I can't help but think, "Well, you did it P! You fooled them all!" Prince must be a conflicted dude. On one hand, he clearly wants to be valid in the public eye with hits and high selling albums. On the other hand, to achieve that he has to turn in watered down schlock like 3121, which has to be disappointing on some level for him, being the musician that he is. Oh well, he'll deal with that conflict all the way to the bank I suppose! But as for 3121 being done in his sleep, well, I'd say it's more like he fell asleep before finishing, judging by the amount of half-baked songs and lyrics on 3121! Try some No-Doze next time P, and let the bread rise!!
 Musicology was like a museum exhibit of Prince Music. It was clinical, in a way an expert 3-point shooter sinks threes. It's impressive, but not that exciting. In fact it gets predictable and boring fast. 3121 on the other hand, is like a friend telling you about the new love of his life, how they met, what they talk about, when they're getting married. There's a spontaneous, informal quality to the songs. He's looser, even talks about God, which he completely avoided on Musicology. Me, I'll take the friend over the clinical exhibit. | |
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I must agree that while I like the album because of catchy tunes like Lolita and Love, it seems that 3121 was more of an effort to fit into some sort of pop/current mold and/or "show" the youngsters how it's done. I am a long term Prince fan, and I hate to say it but getting older and more importantly his self editing (no profanity, subject matter restricted, and his more insistent proseltizing,{did I spell that right?} etc.) doesn't seem to be doing much for his artistic growth. | |
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Byron said: dumbass said: I disagree. this album isn't so-so because it is Prince, it is so-so because it is so-so, regardless of who made it. my opinion of it isn't formulated in comparrison to other Prince albums, it is formulated against how I enjoy it. sure, this is subjective, but I don't agree with people saying bad Prince would be great other musicians, which only is an attempt to diminish other musicians abilities as if bad Prince is as good as they ever hope to be. that just shows bias. Prince is not the end all be all of great music, there are plenty of musicians today just as great and even better. [Edited 4/18/06 12:23pm] No, it's more a reflection of the fact that Prince fans know his tricks, his voice, his vocals, his personality, his guitar riffs, his musical mannerisms...anyone else puts out this album and the focus is on the melodies (which this CD has tons to spare), the vocal delivery (this CD is full of vocals with sincere, true personality and charisma, so damn rare in pop music), and the funk. But Prince puts it out, and the focus is on how he's done the same thing in the past numerous times, only better...how it's not "pushing the envelope" like his past albums, etc... Good call. There will always be a contingent of people who continually expect to be surprised or challenged by an artist. I think this is a pretty tall order. How do you expect to be surpised? I think that with 3121, Prince may have overcome one of his own challenges...he released an entire album that stands little chance of alienating the listener while including some great songs. As a Prince fan, I've always found it difficult to recommend an album because not everyone would follow where Prince wants to take things. Numerous times I've tried to turn on peers to Prince, and it's always the same: to them, there's too much weird on the album. When you make a recommendation, you realize one person's take on genius is another's take on idiosyncracy... So I don't think 3121 was a Prince cakewalk. It is bereft of 'lay(ing) down your funky weapon' or 'doing you after school like some homework.' No 'feast, a feast' or anything like that. If anything, it is a sign of Prince's maturity as an artist and a willingness to edit or include only songs that would be palatable. Sure, it's just my take, but I've been a fan for 23 years, and I feel this is his most unique and concise effort at accessibility. (Last time he did something this accessible, he put out 3 albums of it. A good example of entirely missing the point). "I got the devil in me, girl." - 'John the Baptist', Afghan Whigs
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