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PrintablemuleFunk said: have you all noticed that Prince's album reviews have gotten better after he "came back into the fold"of the record industry???
Said it many a time - How Musicology got a lot of positive reviews, when it didn't really hold anything new, musically, from the albums before it that had garnered mediocre or poor reviews. | |
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Musicology was always trying to convince us it was something it was not i.e. his grass roots comeback album!, I believe it to have been nothing more than a good warm up act for 3121!
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The REAL Artistic comeback after Gold is of course The Rainbow Children.Everything else after this comes as a result of that amazing act of self expression.
but Gold is truly the last great album of the 90's Luminous beings are we...not this crude matter.
Is this 2morrow or just the END of time? The Funk will always b with u "I've got a face, not just my race, Bang Bang I've got you babe!" | |
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NouveauDance said: To the majority of fans, it's ALWAYS been a classic, and has NEVER been lost.
You have to remember, the album is over a decade old (can you believe it - time flies!) - a lot of these reviewers and music journo's might not have even been employed when it came out!  -- And the ones that were probably didn't pay that much attention to it, since this was slap, bang in the middle of Prince's 'crazy period'.
It's been said before, but I think in years to come, the 93/94 period will be looked upon as Prince's great 'lost' period of inspired music - where quantity and quality meshed together, much like the 82/83 and 85/86 periods. That's exactly it: "Where quantity and quality meshed together" - I totally agree. | |
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TGE is my favourite P album of the 90's together with "Come".
Maybe I'm lonely to feel this, but looking back to these times, it would be even better if I wouldn't know the majority of all tracks from more than a year; probably all this "release fight" with WB cutted away most of the "anticipation" for the new release (think if it was released a week later than "Come" as P proposed to WB...). On a side note, I would have prefered the inclusion of "Days Of Wild" as originally planned and the original version of TMBITW instead of the pseudo-live version. | |
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The Gold Experience is my favourite album EVER.
The whole range of emotions are on there and the song Gold is a blatant dig at WB. So look into the mirror, do u recognise some1? Is it who u always hoped u would become, when u were young? | |
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booyah said: Michael B wrote in his thread in the Associated Artists forum that he doesn't own a copy of this CD anymore (either the released version or any unreleased versions) - that is a crime! Somebody get him a CD of this, STAT!
I just so happen to have an extra copy due to a recent trade. Have him drop me a line.  | |
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I actually agree with you Whiska 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Each of these reviewers has a different 'last good album' and it always amuses me.
I've read 'Love Sign Album', LoveSexy, Sign O' The Times, and even Diamonds & Pearls. No one's mentioned GOld Experience, which amazed me. That was such a great damn album, some classic Prince songs. I hope, one day, reviewers will realize there is NO 'Prince Sound' outside of his voice. The man does what he wants, and he does it well most of the time. There's no consistency - does Elephants & Flowers sound like Anotherloverlikaholeinyourhead like Get on the Boat like The Beautiful Ones? Of course not. His amazing vocals are the only thing Prince songs have in common MOST of the time, and that's fine with me. He always keeps me guessing. And...HOW the hell can a man of 47 look that freakin' good? Someone tell me  I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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Whiskas31 said: After reading all the mostly positive reviews of 3121, I have noticed that most reviewers say it's his best since sign o'the times or lovesexy etc.
It's a shame then that they haven't heard TGE. This album was his 90's best, and should have brought him back to the public eye like 3121 has. I personally think that even though 3121 is great, TGE blows it from the water, simply for the sheer energy and songwriting. Prince had the passion in him when he did this album, something that he has failed to find in all albums after this. It still angers me that even though there was troubles between Prince and Warner, Warner should have listened to the album, given it full publicity drive and then give Prince a contract more deserving of his talents and ideas. I think that Universal (i hope i got the record label correct!) has done a great job in promoting 3121 shame Warner couldn't do the same thing with TGE. Your'e speaking gospel brother! When I heard this, I couldn't believe he didn't get more attention because of it. The potential hits on this thing! 319! NOW! And who can ever forget, ENDORPHINMACHINE! That song is probably even better than Fury! | |
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brothaluv said: Whiskas31 said: After reading all the mostly positive reviews of 3121, I have noticed that most reviewers say it's his best since sign o'the times or lovesexy etc.
It's a shame then that they haven't heard TGE. This album was his 90's best, and should have brought him back to the public eye like 3121 has. I personally think that even though 3121 is great, TGE blows it from the water, simply for the sheer energy and songwriting. Prince had the passion in him when he did this album, something that he has failed to find in all albums after this. It still angers me that even though there was troubles between Prince and Warner, Warner should have listened to the album, given it full publicity drive and then give Prince a contract more deserving of his talents and ideas. I think that Universal (i hope i got the record label correct!) has done a great job in promoting 3121 shame Warner couldn't do the same thing with TGE. Your'e speaking gospel brother! When I heard this, I couldn't believe he didn't get more attention because of it. The potential hits on this thing! 319! NOW! And who can ever forget, ENDORPHINMACHINE! That song is probably even better than Fury! If only Fury were given the same sense of urgency  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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too many misses on TGE
Including the horrifically corny and weak "Gold" Pussy Control, Dolphin, Now, March weee March uhhh to many bad songs. I won't even go there on the self indulgent and completely over the top (in a bad way) I Hate U. Which is only tolerable in its first minute and half [Edited 3/30/06 18:32pm] Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Justin1972UK said: Most of it is dross - the worst of which is 'Dolphin'. It's not even bad in a "so bad it's good" way...
Let's take a look at some of the lyrics from 'Dolphin'... If I came back as a dolphin
Would U listen 2 me then? Would U let me be your friend? Would U let me in? U can cut off all my fins But 2 your ways I will not bend I'll die before I let U tell me how 2 swim And I'll come back again as a dolphin Compare and contrast to Dr. Maya Angelou's poem, 'I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings'... The caged bird sings
With a fearful trill Of things unknown But longed for still And his tune is heard On the distant hill For the caged bird Sings of freedom. Both authors have used animals as a metaphor. Which text was divine and glorious - and which was silly and nonsensical? Outstanding post! Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: too many misses on TGE
Including the horrifically corny and weak "Gold" Pussy Control, Dolphin, Now, March weee March uhhh to many bad songs Pussy control aint weak! On the heels of come that shit was outerspace  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: too many misses on TGE
Including the horrifically corny and weak "Gold" Pussy Control, Dolphin, Now, March weee March uhhh to many bad songs. I won't even go there on the self indulgent and completely over the top (in a bad way) I Hate U. Which is only tolerable in its first minute and half [Edited 3/30/06 18:32pm] Dude, Pussy Control is a great song. So is Now. And is We March. Dolphin's fine, but not one of my favorites. I Hate U is a badass - CLASSIC Prince song. Shy is good. So is 319. You're crazy
And...don't forget...ENDORPHINMACHINE! [Edited 3/30/06 18:51pm] I wanna be loved to the 9s, so let me cover your ass with this sheet, and baby, you better stay on the beat! Cause you know the Karma Sutra? I can rewrite it. But, with half as many words. | |
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This album is in my car at all times. These are my favorites:
Shhh! - I love the live feel of this song Most Beautiful Girl- Prince was right to push this song no matter what the fall out. Endorphin Machine - is everything Fury is not. Shy - is just mellow and funky. Dolphin - I love the lyrics and feel of this song. Billy Jack - the horn lines on the extended are so nasty! Too funky! I Hate U - was my theme song, "right now I hate u so much I wanna make love.." ahh...maybe you had to be there, right Kelly? Gold - I've never dug Purple Rain but I felt Gold on the first listen. Anyway lost or not this album is classic, segues and all. I love albums with a theme...a good theme I should say,(TRC doesn't qualify) and this one delivers. Who ever said Prince has lost it - has lost it. The Kid's still got game! | |
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muleFunk said: Ahhh, The Gold Experence drama.
Listen ,have you all noticed that Prince's album reviews have gotten better after he "came back into the fold"of the record industry??? When Prince was fighting the industry (1993-1996) WB was going through it's deconstruction phase and they place Prince into the Black music division. This cut off about 70% of his fan base and thus reducing sales. Gold was a pop/rock based album with sprinkles of R&B and hip/hop. it was doomed from the start. If this record would have been released on the heals of TMBGITW then we have a mega hit instead of a "lost classic". Both sides are at fault and both should be blamed for this failure. Point taken. Critics are as fickle as fans, this is true. And if what you say about Prince being relegated to the Black music division is true, the album was given short shrift. But during Prince's "prodigal son" years his music wasn't that compelling. The symbol years were his Computer Blue/Darling Nikki moment in real life, where his music made sense to no one but himself. And his hardcore audience. Personally, I don't hear a great pop rock masterpiece in The Gold Experience. It's like the rougher, poorer cousin to Diamonds and Pearls. And consider the titles, Diamonds and Pearls and Gold: He named them after things he claims have no value. Any number of factors could have improved its sales, but I think the failure to do the requisite promotion, interviews, tours, was indicative of Prince's scattered mindset at the time. I think the album got exactly the reception it deserved. If you claim to be above money, as Prince does, don't be surprised if people don't give you any. | |
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I think that alot of critics want to forget that the whole "symbol" period even existed, and that's why they don't mention TGE.
Personally, I do think it's his best '90s album, but it's not my favorite '90s album. |
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Whiskas31 said: ... and then give Prince a contract more deserving of his talents and ideas.
Hhhmmm, more deserving than the alleged multi-million dollar package he was on at that time  |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I actually agree with you Whiska
You say that like you haven't agreed with me on anything before  | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: too many misses on TGE
Including the horrifically corny and weak "Gold" Pussy Control, Dolphin, Now, March weee March uhhh to many bad songs. I won't even go there on the self indulgent and completely over the top (in a bad way) I Hate U. Which is only tolerable in its first minute and half [Edited 3/30/06 18:32pm] Sign "O" The Times was utter shit too. Purple Rain? Don't even remind me of Purple Rain... | |
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I was listening to this cd this morning on the drive to work, and realized what a great cd it is.
I've always loved P Control, the instruments on endorphin machine are great, dolphin is just a beautiful song, I hate u is great...just all in all a great album | |
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its neither lost or not considered a classic.
isnt it universally acknowledged as prince 90's classic-it is on this site at least! for my money apart from 84-87 this was his most musically diverse and exciting time. | |
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I just got this about a year ago and fell istantly in love with it. | |
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Novabreaker said: Alexandernvrmind said: too many misses on TGE
Including the horrifically corny and weak "Gold" Pussy Control, Dolphin, Now, March weee March uhhh to many bad songs. I won't even go there on the self indulgent and completely over the top (in a bad way) I Hate U. Which is only tolerable in its first minute and half [Edited 3/30/06 18:32pm] Sign "O" The Times was utter shit too. Purple Rain? Don't even remind me of Purple Rain... You don't like Purple Rain??? 
Well, you are the first Prince fan i met who doesn't at least like some of Purple Rain.
Each to his own..... | |
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Alexandernvrmind said: Justin1972UK said: Most of it is dross - the worst of which is 'Dolphin'. It's not even bad in a "so bad it's good" way...
Let's take a look at some of the lyrics from 'Dolphin'... [blah] Both authors have used animals as a metaphor. Which text was divine and glorious - and which was silly and nonsensical? Outstanding post! I would HARDLY agree with you. | |
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NouveauDance said: To the majority of fans, it's ALWAYS been a classic, and has NEVER been lost.
Took the words right out of my mouth. . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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I never really got into this album, and in fact only like I hate U & Shhh, and I rate this along with Symbol & D&P as some of his weakest (I'm not counting Chaos, or Vault as i never thought of them as real albums). Didn't enjoy the image, vids, or tours round this time either, still kept buying tho (have done since 1980 so that wasnt/isn't gonna stop) & still loving 3121.....
Looking forward to the next tour | |
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The REAL Artistic comeback after Gold is of course The Rainbow Children.Everything else after this comes as a result of that amazing act of self expression.
Absolutely agree. Gold was great. P Control was my song for a good year or two. It was the last time he packed every curse word he could find into one song ironically to tout virtue. (...before his lyrics got "LarryGrahammed"). Irony, rocking guitar, rap, vocal scratches, tight lyrics, bumpin' beats, screams, both his lower and high vocal registers, attitude turned all the way up! What's not to like. TRC was beautiful. Not as tight as Lovesexy, but right up there. | |
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