purplecam said:

lol...you guys are silly

Timekeeper is just trying to ruffle your feathers,and y'all are falling right into his trap.

lol...you guys are silly

Timekeeper is just trying to ruffle your feathers,and y'all are falling right into his trap.

And to many, it was true. Your point is what? Musicology had some great songs on it? I agree.

I thought Musicology was complete crap, as did most people out there. It's already forgotten about. Makes a good drink coaster though.

So what? I have maintained that good songs and "hit" songs that appeal to the masses are two different things. Who cares if everybody digs Beautiful Stranger from the Austin Powers 2 soundtrack?

When I say "hit," I mean a song that is just very popular, whether it be on the charts or just big with music fans. I'm sure Prince would like to know his new songs get people wild in clubs. But that's not what's happening.

I think most would agree, Pope is a shitty song compared to Dolphin so it's a bad example. Sexy MF was NOT a "hit". Look up it's chart success. Yet, you still used it as an example of a song "known by the masses". This is is contrary to your whole idea that a song has to be a "hit" to be great. Again, how many songs on "The Hits" were actually, as you say, "huge hits". Less than half. Who cares? they are still great songs regardless of their chart success. Same with the songs on 3121.

Pope is a shitty song, but while Dolphin is he complete opposite, it's not a track that would blow people away. And I'm not saying a song has to be a hit to be great. We all have our own idea of what a "great" song is. And while I know what I like, I also understand what goes into a hit song.

Again, you are all about loving "hit" songs. I have said all along that "hit" songs are not necessarily good songs, and good songs are not always hits. However, I would also argue that Prince has a bigger and better catalog of of great songs than Madonna. Chart success? No. Out and out funky ass jams? Yes. to me, that's what it's all about.

Well sure, Prince is a very prolific artist. He's produced a hell of a lot more songs than Madonna. My Prince collection tops my Madonna collection by a hundred times. But over the past 13 years, Madonna has been releasing more popular and memorable songs. And within the past 8 years, in my opinion, her songs have been much better than his.

It's not about charts and what people deem "hits", it's about the 2 and the 4. It's about music that moves you.In this respect, Prince has Madonna licked (no pun intended).

Okay, but until Prince starts making great albums again, I'll still say Madonna has the upper hand in the industry and amongst music fans.

I guess I missed this thread when it was lively, but I had to kiss the ass of this post as well. Very, very well said.

It's just hard to think up reasons why anything about the success of 3121 would be bad news to a Prince fan.

I didn't really like Musicology at all, but I was still pleased with all of his good press and tour success. Why wouldn't you be?

TimeKeeper said:

So I can't agree with what someone says if it's not the same view as yours? Man fuck you Timekeeper!

lol...you guys are silly

Timekeeper is just trying to ruffle your feathers,and y'all are falling right into his trap.

Mods, y'all need to lock this thread up cause I'm about to go buck wild on that nigga known as Timekeeper. Sorry if I'm not all up in Maddona's ass like you are but I'm not going to apologize for digging 3121. I'm not the pussy coming up here tyring to start shit like your nasty bitch ass is Timekeeper. You don't dig 3121, cool but don't come up on here like you high and mighty with your bullshit. You can kiss MY ass. It takes a LOT for me to get wound up like this but that bitch deserves it.

skip said:

First of all,


And to answer the question. I'd rather Prince completely fail with these mediocre albums so hopefully he could get a new state of mind and get back to making the great stuff.

purplecam said:

Ooohhh, you're so brave on your computer, aren't you?

Are you really so weak and pathetic that you'd lose your cool over a few of my opinions on a website?

That pretty fucking sad.

TimeKeeper said:

When Prince is riding high, he gives a lot more music back. It's just history. And of course, opinion... I think 3121 IS Prince getting back to "making the great stuff."

TimeKeeper said:

And you got some fucking nerve calling people asskisser so fuck off.
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Fine you didn't like Musicology. I doubt that you took a poll to get the opinions of "most people" on Musicology so I can only assume that you are just pretending to know how "most people" feel about it. I mean, "call my Name" won a grammy so somebody must have liked that song. Thanks for your opinion....

Outside of the org, I don't know anyone who likes Musicology. In fact, most most of my friends who are Prince fans, can't stand that album. And maybe Call My Name turned a few heads, but it certainly didn't become a big hit.

Again, popularity does not make a song "good." You don't like "call my name", fine. You are not "most people".

I think we're going in circles now.

Again, did you give out a poll asking folks whether "dolphin" "blows them aways"? You didn't? Oh, you are just making things up again. There are people that have been "blown away" by "Dolphin". Some even think it is a great song. So what is your point?

Hey, I personally love Dolphin. I dug it ever since I heard it on The Undertaker. But I don't find it to be a song that could be a smash with the average listener.

And there it is: In (your) humble opinion. That's what this whole exchange has really been about. You are stating your opinion like it is the truth that applies to everyone or "most people". Over that past 13 years Madonna has charted better than Prince and had more radio for her new songs (she also was not an independent artist). What is "memorable" is different for each person. Go up to average joe and ask him to name 5 Madonna songs from the last 13 years.

He may be able to name a few. But let him listen to all her albums and then all of Prince's albums. I guarantee Joe will recognize a lot more Madonna songs.

Okay, but you are still talking about your personal preferences like they are true for everyone, and you still associate "greatness" with "hits". Again, many people think that Prince has never stopped making great albums. You cannot say that your own feelings and tastes apply to everyone or "most people". What is gold to you is shit to another.

I think you're misunderstanding me. The point is that Prince's music hasn't been appealing to the masses, and that's been happening for a reason. You may like a song where a guy plays a set of spoons, but chances are, most people will think that's crap.

What I hear you saying is this: In order for a song to be "good" or "memorable" it either has to be a "hit", or a song that you personally like. That's fine, but what you personally like is different than everyone else, and hit songs and good songs are not always the same thing.

It's about being remembered through the ages.

Bottom line: It is HIGHLY subjective to say that Madonna has been making better music than Prince in the last 13 years. You doing so is simply acase of you stating your opinion like it is fact. It's not the truth, it's just how you feel about it.

It's my personal opinion and the opinion of many that Madonna has had better songs over the years. Both Prince and madonna have been releasing albums, but only Madonna has been cranking out the big tunes.

It's like comparing Marilyn Monroe to Miles Davis.

skywalker said:

Very well put. You cannot pit appeal against talent and make a coherent argument.

So, because none of your friends like Musicology, that means that the rest of the world feels the same? Whatever. Call my name was not a "big hit" but, as usual, I am talking about good songs. You are the one who has been "hung up" on big hits.

It's not just about my friends, it's about the general public. People still ask me if Prince is making records these days. Something's wrong when that question is presented.

That's because you keep saying the same message. Which is: If you don't like a song, or it is not a "big hit" then everyone else probably doesn't like it either, and it must therefore not be a "good song".

I'm saying there's a difference between a song that becomes popular and remembered and a song that gets ignored and forgotten.

Again, how did you "find out" that Dolphin could not be a "smash" with the average listener? Do you send out a survey? No, more likely this: It wasn't on the radio, your friends don't adore it, so you deem it as being song that is lesser than Prince's older material or his "hit songs". That does not reflect the quality of a song, or it's greatness.

Again, I love the song and it would have been great for it to have become a hit, but I don't believe it's in tune with what the average person likes in music. The video was on VH1 and he performed it on Letterman.

Listen, if you have to let Joe Average listen to the albums then you have already lost. Yeah, he may recognize more Madonna songs, but that doesn't mean he'll think they are better than the Prince songs. In fact, I would guess that often Jose Average would dig a song like Endorphine Machine more than Madonna's American Pie. Again, a "hit" song and recognition does always not equal a good song. hell, you could sit Joe down and let him listen to McDonald's jingles and he'd remember them more than some James Brown. That doesn't make the more "recognizable song better.

Just face it, Prince's sound isn't contageous anymore.

Prince's newersongs haven't had NEARLY the exposure to the masses as the songsmy favotire media whore Madonna. Prince went off the deep end, went independent, and is often not "for the masses." Madonna, on the other hand, is a slut for the masses. She did GAP commercials, Pepsi commercial,etc. Madonna is always promoting the HELL out of her stuff. Whoopity doo. That is what appealing to the masses is about. Selling yourself and your art. Madonna is better than anyone at that. That doesn't make her music better than Prince's. Besides, when Prince does decide to promote himself he gets grammy's, #1 tours, and #1 albums. Who bought and paid for that shit? The Masses. The hardcore fans only go so far, to get to #1 you gotta sell yourself. Madonna does this EVERYTIME. Prince does not. It's not about quality, it's about marketability. There is a reason Prince's biggest hit albums are "Purple Rain" and "Batman".

Purple Rain and Batman were great albums. Sure, the movies helped a lot, but the songs were really good too. If Prince made a movie for 3121, do you think the songs would be big hits? And sure, the new album hit #1, but look at what it's up against. Had Madonna, Kanye West, Black Eyed Peas, or whoever released their albums at the same time, Prince would be at the bottom. Yeah, his last tour was big, but that's cuz it was a tour that was made up of old hits. You think he'd do as well if he only performed material from the past 10 years?

Prince will be remembered as a master musician/entetainer. Madonna will be remembered for being as master at marketing herself, and entertainer. No one talks about what a masterpiece "true Blue" is. No one gushes about her songwriting, or musicianship It's like comparing Marilyn Monroe to Miles Davis. They are both legends remembered for different things---what's your point? Again, people recognize and remember themes to TV shows and TV commercials...who cares? It doesn't mean a lot in the end.

Prince will always be remembered for his genious, but people only remember him for what he did prior to 1993.

Well, it's my personal opinion and the opinion of many that Prince has better songs than Madonna and continues to do so. Both have been releasing albums, but only Prince's are funky authentic.

And around the world in homes, cars, clubs, etc. more people are groovin to Madonna than Prince.

That doesn't make my opinion more valid than yours or make mine any less true. The difference is, you make it seem that your opinions are facts acknowledged by everyone as the truth.

I'm speaking from what I believe and what I see here and in other parts of the world.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

I dislike it because you guys have to keep reposting the same articles so EVERYONE can see them. You figure if you keep reposting it, it'll help drown out the less flattering comments. Stop kissing each others asses and make your own bold statements.