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Universial Records is THE REAL REASON for Prince's 3121 to debut at #1!!! (Snapz, please read this!) Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? | |
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But to be honest, what marketing have they really down?
Nothing much nor anything special! Keenmeister |
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where's your point? there's nothing for me to read here if you haven't one. | |
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andykeen said: But to be honest, what marketing have they really down?
Nothing much nor anything special! EXACTLY! This kind of post is ridiculous. If anything, I think there has been LESS promotion than for Rave or Musicology. Whatever...  | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: where's your point? there's nothing for me to read here if you haven't one.
Handclapsfingasnapz said: Aerogram said: They don't and they do. They don't because a great album's a great album no matter if it sells poorly or well. Some of the "best albums of all time", as picked by reasonably well-informed critics, didn't sell well but were influential like Nico & the Velvet Underground. They do business-wise, though Prince went a long way toward making this all relarive, with his much greater share of $$$ per cd, though everyone knows the money's in touring. And in terms of immediate cultural impact, yeah they do, and it's always nice to know the music is getting heard by a wider audience.But at the end of the day, like I said, a great album's a great album, and a number 1 crappy record is still a crappy one. for me, they still don't. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? we'll never know. We can't go back on history and re-write it. If Abe Lincoln knew there was going to be an assasination attempt at the Ford Theater, he'd never have gone would he?...we don't know..he went and was fatally shot. if Prince released 3121 other then through Universal, who knows how it would have been marketed. we'll never know the answer, because it WAS released through Universal | |
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TonyVanDam said: [buncha stuff]
still doesn't change my mind on shit, chief. sorry. | |
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jpav said: andykeen said: But to be honest, what marketing have they really down?
Nothing much nor anything special! EXACTLY! This kind of post is ridiculous. If anything, I think there has been LESS promotion than for Rave or Musicology. Whatever... I disagree. Media outlets (especially VH1) never wasted their time on Rave...like they did with Misicology or 3121. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? I don't get this. What marketing did they do? I saw a few ads like I always do with Prince. I saw a couple of performances like I always do with Prince. What did they do they was out of the normal? | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: TonyVanDam said: [buncha stuff]
still doesn't change my mind on shit, chief. sorry. I'm not trying to change you mind about it. In fact, I saying that you were right! 
Charts isn't everything. | |
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Graycap23 said: TonyVanDam said: Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? I don't get this. What marketing did they do? I saw a few ads like I always do with Prince. I saw a couple of performances like I always do with Prince. What did they do they was out of the normal? Universial push the ads!!! Had anyone really spend the time to study how the 21st Century music business works??? Oh nevermind.... | |
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TonyVanDam said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: still doesn't change my mind on shit, chief. sorry. I'm not trying to change you mind about it. In fact, I saying that you were right!
Charts isn't everything. oh, okay. but still, i don't see why you wanted me to read this anyway. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Graycap23 said: I don't get this. What marketing did they do? I saw a few ads like I always do with Prince. I saw a couple of performances like I always do with Prince. What did they do they was out of the normal? Universial push the ads!!! Had anyone really spend the time to study how the 21st Century music business works??? Oh nevermind.... Prince always has ads for his new cd releases. Honestly I've been on vacation for quite a while but I really did not see anything "special" about Universal's efforts for this cd. I'm NOT saying it did not happen, I'm just saying that I did not see it. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? I don't think anyone could be "forced" into liking 3121 or Prince's Music, no matter how much marketing they throw at it. You either like Prince or you don't. I never remember labels like motown and A&M calling themselves "indie labels." NPG Records has a manufacturing and distribution deal with Universal Music. NPG Records retains all rights as to the ownership of the master of 3121. Universal has no rights to the Masters. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? Wait, you are telling me that if you have a GIANT record label behind your album that it will sell well? Maybe even go to #1??? That's crazy! I thought albums like Purple Rain, Batman, and Diamonds and Pearls sold well purely on word of mouth. "New Power slide...." |
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In Germany Universal did NOTHING...really...
no posters, no ads on radio or tv... The chart position will be good nevertheless... The only promo are reviews in the papers... |
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skywalker said: TonyVanDam said: Just so no one get this commentary twisted, I'm very happy of Prince to have a #1 album for the first time in more than 2 decades.
Now lets face reality..... Universal Records (the music industry's beast power) is THE biggest factor in all this. THIS is the same label responsible for marketing just about every mainstream rap artist that you love to hate. THIS is the same label responsible for buying out almost every label that use to be independent (remember Motown, A&M, Def Jam, etc.?). THIS is the same label that owns (that right, OWNS) more than 50% of all CDs & DVDs customer sale. If Prince really wanted every to know about 3121, he knew Universial has the strongest (read: ruthless) marketing power to make even the most bitter Prince-hater know that this album is worth buying! Am I right or wrong? Wait, you are telling me that if you have a GIANT record label behind your album that it will sell well? Maybe even go to #1??? That's crazy! I thought albums like Purple Rain, Batman, and Diamonds and Pearls sold well purely on word of mouth. ....except we're talking about the impact of 3121. 
And judgeing from the artists with a connection with Universial (50Cent, Jay-Z, etc.), you have to wonder.... I just a thought. | |
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linus4000 said: In Germany Universal did NOTHING...really...
no posters, no ads on radio or tv... The chart position will be good nevertheless... The only promo are reviews in the papers... No surprise here. Universial is French-owned! (j/k) | |
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most people i know outside of here still aren't aware there's been a new prince album out since purple rain. | |
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Bottom line is , at the end of the day it's the consumer who must go out and purchase this record and 184,000 of them did. Universal did a great job getting the word out . But the consumer went out to buy a PRINCE record not a Universal record. People went out and bought the record based on HIS name, HIS music and HIS history.
To suggeset that Universal Records is the sole reason for Prince having a number 1 record I think is misguided. | |
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amazingly, while his presence promoting it has been low, i continually see poster ads for it all over NYC. the times square virgin has a HUGE poster with the cover above their doors, and normal sized posters are all over the city on boards. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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I'm sorry but I think Universal had jack shit to do with this album debuting at number one. I have not seen or heard any promotion outside this webiste and the Club. Prince could have very well released this online, had the purple ticket contest himself and still sold 184,000 copies of it. | |
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newpower99 said: Bottom line is , at the end of the day it's the consumer who must go out and purchase this record and 184,000 of them did. Universal did a great job getting the word out . But the consumer went out to buy a PRINCE record not a Universal record. People went out and bought the record based on HIS name, HIS music and HIS history.
A lot of CDs sold on the simple fact that Prince's hardcore fan base of at least 100,000 people bought the album. While I have heard from non-diehard fans about the album debut, the SNL thing, I really haven't heard anyone say they wanted to get the album UNTIL I told them that the album is good. Word of mouth is doing more than any Universal campaign could.To suggeset that Universal Records is the sole reason for Prince having a number 1 record I think is misguided. | |
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Romera said: I'm sorry but I think Universal had jack shit to do with this album debuting at number one. I have not seen or heard any promotion outside this webiste and the Club. Prince could have very well released this online, had the purple ticket contest himself and still sold 184,000 copies of it.
yup! here in mpls the most i've seen as far as advertisements go was one big-assed cardboard picture of the album cover at borders bookstore. no placards, no posters strewn all over (y)uptown, none of that. the place i've heard the most about the album is--yup, you guessed it, within online outlets like here on the org and over at npgmc. | |
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Anx said: most people i know outside of here still aren't aware there's been a new prince album out since purple rain.
Well those sound like they are some damn sheltered people. "New Power slide...." |
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skywalker said: Anx said: most people i know outside of here still aren't aware there's been a new prince album out since purple rain.
Well those sound like they are some damn sheltered people. the past ten years of my life i've lived in chicago and new york city. to this day, i've noticed that people who aren't "fans" of anyone can tell you when a new madonna album's out, but they don't even know the last time prince put out something new. | |
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Anx said: skywalker said: Well those sound like they are some damn sheltered people. the past ten years of my life i've lived in chicago and new york city. to this day, i've noticed that people who aren't "fans" of anyone can tell you when a new madonna album's out, but they don't even know the last time prince put out something new. Anx u r so right its unbelievable how so many people think purple rain is P's last album  |
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TonyVanDam said: :A bunch of babbleage was here:
Contrary to popular belief, Prince knows how to pimp the system. Yes, the same system that's been pimping musical artists for decades. 2 years ago, he did it with Musicology, by bundling it with the ticket prices. This year it's with the purple tickets. Having one of the biggest pimps on board (Universal) keeps the other pimps (the rest of the industry) out of his way. Go 'head, Prince!! Pimp on with ya bad self!!!  | |
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Marketing only gets you so far. People still have to want to buy an album. | |
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