Madonna just put her name on other folk's music (remember the Lenny Kravitz/Justify My Love scandal).

Novabreaker said:

She moves more than Prince does.

TimeKeeper said:

Dude, you're funny and now you're starting to get pretty pathetic. Was that the best you could do? I have never praised Prince with everything he does. However I don't come to a Prince FAN site and try to take away from his accomplishment. Either you're not getting enough attention at home or work or you're just fishing for responses. Either way you've won, but ended up looking like a complete idiot in process.

TimeKeeper said:

This is lame as fuck. Why are you comparing an apple with an orange? Man this is just pathetic. People, TimeKeeper is a HATER. Don't let this bozo get you wound up with this Madonna shit and every other piece of garbage coming out.

purplecam said:

Are you threatened by my comments? Do you really have to try and protect others from me?

You may not like Maddona or her music, but at least she knows how to stay relevant in today's world.

The argument that Prince is now successful because he is "riding on his name" is simply 100% incorrect.

Remember when Prince's name got him NOTHING but ridicule? I recall when Pulse Magazine did a review of "Emancipation" in their year-end edition that stated basically "If this record - 3 CDs of diverse and very strong material - had been released by a young 23 year old up and comer, it would have set the world of R&B on its ear. But because it’s Prince, people expect greatness and are used to it, so it doesn't get much notice."

For Prince to recapture his relevance, commercial appeal and success after such a long time in the wilderness commercially is a HUGE accomplishment. Over the span of the last 2 to 3 years, he has RECAPTURED his good name – he is not “riding” on it. The hardest thing in the world to come back from is being considered "uncool" and for a long time, for most people Prince was synonymous with a joke on Leno or Letterman. He was a joke for changing his name, for his goofy behavior, for writing slave on his face, etc. Rightly or wrongly, he was a joke. BUTt he's come back from it on the strength of 2 great albums, a mind-blowing tour, and some fantastic TV performances..... And, given his R&R hall of fame induction, a renewed appreciation for his legacy.

It's so funny, EVERY Prince album - even SOTT, 1999, Purple Rain - had its share of complainers, and every Prince album ever released will have its share of complainers. I remember when “Lovesexy” came out, it was greeted with quite a bit of astonishment and hostility, because people wanted the Black Album, and they hated the cover, and they hated the material. It was bewildering at first. When "ATWIAD" came out, there were GROANS of consternation from those who wanted another 1999 or Purple Rain. When “SOTT” came out, half of the fans were still in mourning over the end of The Revolution. When “Diamonds & Pearls” came out, people hated the hip-hop angle. The haters have always been there and will always be there, simply claiming to be waiting for Prince to release another "good" album.

"3121" in my mind is easily his best album since "The Gold Experience", and possibly the best since "Lovesexy." It's a lithe and tight, funky collection of songs with really no weak links. And it's a #1 album and huge success. "3121" is also one of the most universally acclaimed albums of Prince's career.

I understand not liking the album, buy why try to come up with such tortuous reasons to explain away and try to marginalize the albums' success? I guess there were people that said "Purple Rain" was only a success because of the movie; and ATWIAD was a success because it was riding PR's coattails; “Batman” was only a success because of the movie; what other reasons do people give? The haters always want to explain away a triumph. But the reality is this: anybody with any rudimentary knowledge of the realties of the album charts will tell you that MOST WEEKS 184k would be enough to challenge for a #1 spot. What does “weak competition” mean? There was no Eminem or 50 Cent CD out this week, or something else guaranteed to move 600k+ units? That means “weak competition”? I have a newsflash for you folks - - - there are only a handful of those type of releases a year. If you want to whine about “3121” having “weak competition” then you must have a pretty dim view of the music industry, because 184k would do the job more often than not. I guess a lot of #1 albums get there because of “weak competition.”

When an artist like Prince hits #1 with little airplay and promotion, it's a major accomplishment, and it's nice to see most Prince fans celebrating this success rather than come up with reasons to explain it away to make their own dire and negative predictions look less ridiculous and wrong – which, of course, they were.

sarkozy2007 said:

Vast majority of PEOPLE dig this album? Are you fucking serious?

Madonna doesn't need to be as talented as Prince. She still has REAL hits while Prince pops in once in a while to impress people with his hits of the past. If you ask the average person what the last Prince hit they remember is, they'll give you a title from well over 10 years ago.

When Prince has a hit as big as Hung Up, get back to me.

Graycap23 said:

They're in line at Best Buy, eating a mixed bag of words and crow.

NorthernLad said:

This needs to be on the front page of this site. Nicely done.

The argument that Prince is now successful because he is "riding on his name" is simply 100% incorrect.

Remember when Prince's name got him NOTHING but ridicule? I recall when Pulse Magazine did a review of "Emancipation" in their year-end edition that stated basically "If this record - 3 CDs of diverse and very strong material - had been released by a young 23 year old up and comer, it would have set the world of R&B on its ear. But because it’s Prince, people expect greatness and are used to it, so it doesn't get much notice."

For Prince to recapture his relevance, commercial appeal and success after such a long time in the wilderness commercially is a HUGE accomplishment. Over the span of the last 2 to 3 years, he has RECAPTURED his good name – he is not “riding” on it. The hardest thing in the world to come back from is being considered "uncool" and for a long time, for most people Prince was synonymous with a joke on Leno or Letterman. He was a joke for changing his name, for his goofy behavior, for writing slave on his face, etc. Rightly or wrongly, he was a joke. BUTt he's come back from it on the strength of 2 great albums, a mind-blowing tour, and some fantastic TV performances..... And, given his R&R hall of fame induction, a renewed appreciation for his legacy.

It's so funny, EVERY Prince album - even SOTT, 1999, Purple Rain - had its share of complainers, and every Prince album ever released will have its share of complainers. I remember when “Lovesexy” came out, it was greeted with quite a bit of astonishment and hostility, because people wanted the Black Album, and they hated the cover, and they hated the material. It was bewildering at first. When "ATWIAD" came out, there were GROANS of consternation from those who wanted another 1999 or Purple Rain. When “SOTT” came out, half of the fans were still in mourning over the end of The Revolution. When “Diamonds & Pearls” came out, people hated the hip-hop angle. The haters have always been there and will always be there, simply claiming to be waiting for Prince to release another "good" album.

"3121" in my mind is easily his best album since "The Gold Experience", and possibly the best since "Lovesexy." It's a lithe and tight, funky collection of songs with really no weak links. And it's a #1 album and huge success. "3121" is also one of the most universally acclaimed albums of Prince's career.

I understand not liking the album, buy why try to come up with such tortuous reasons to explain away and try to marginalize the albums' success? I guess there were people that said "Purple Rain" was only a success because of the movie; and ATWIAD was a success because it was riding PR's coattails; “Batman” was only a success because of the movie; what other reasons do people give? The haters always want to explain away a triumph. But the reality is this: anybody with any rudimentary knowledge of the realties of the album charts will tell you that MOST WEEKS 184k would be enough to challenge for a #1 spot. What does “weak competition” mean? There was no Eminem or 50 Cent CD out this week, or something else guaranteed to move 600k+ units? That means “weak competition”? I have a newsflash for you folks - - - there are only a handful of those type of releases a year. If you want to whine about “3121” having “weak competition” then you must have a pretty dim view of the music industry, because 184k would do the job more often than not. I guess a lot of #1 albums get there because of “weak competition.”

When an artist like Prince hits #1 with little airplay and promotion, it's a major accomplishment, and it's nice to see most Prince fans celebrating this success rather than come up with reasons to explain it away to make their own dire and negative predictions look less ridiculous and wrong – which, of course, they were.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

You got that right.

Vast majority of PEOPLE dig this album?

And yes, Prince was always a better dancer, but not anymore. It seems his body can't handle the moves.

TimeKeeper said:

Who gives a damn ?!!! Prince is a MUSICIAN, capice enc*** ? He does not need a bunch of 20 dancers on stage with him. he just needs to pick a guitar or a bass and he kills everybody around. Madonna could never do that. You enjoy Madonna's mediocre talents, fair enough. Not me, I'm not blinded by her marketing strategies and bucks invested in the Madonna Corporate world.
Was Miles Davis relevant to the mass ? NO Was Zappa relevant to the mass ? NO Is Bowie still relevant to the mass... NO. Madonna will never have 0.5% of the talent of any of the artists I have named above. And God she knows it and would never risk herself to jump on stage with a Santana or Clapton.
[Edited 4/1/06 12:16pm]

A few years ago, there were several people who stated that Prince's career was over and that he would NEVER chart again? Where r u people? What are you saying now?

purplecam said:

TimeKeeper said:

YES a vast majority of fans and critics have welome 3121 and dig it. It's not becasue people like you are LOUD that you are numerous, understood ?

TimeKeeper said:

Dude all kidding aside if people in the NON-Prince forum didn't post the name of this song every two days or so I would have no idea who sings it. And I've never heard one note of this thing on the radio.

TimeKeeper said:

Who gives a damn ?!!! Prince is a MUSICIAN, capice enc*** ? He does not need a bunch of 20 dancers on stage with him. he just needs to pick a guitar or a bass and he kills everybody around. Madonna could never do that. You enjoy Madonna's mediocre talents, fair enough. Not me, I'm not blinded by her marketing strategies and bucks invested in the Madonna Corporate world.
Was Miles Davis relevant to the mass ? NO Was Zappa relevant to the mass ? NO Is Bowie still relevant to the mass... NO. Madonna will never have 0.5% of the talent of any of the artists I have named above. And God she knows it and would never risk herself to jump on stage with a Santana or Clapton.
[Edited 4/1/06 12:16pm]

TimeKeeper said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

So I guess you don't watch TV, listen to pop stations, or go to clubs.

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Blah blah all you want. There's an overload of ass kissing around here. There's no reason for you guys to be threatened by opposing views.

TimeKeeper said:

TV yes, Pop stations not much, I prefer classic rock or R&B when I listen to the radio, clubs definitely not.

sarkozy2007 said:

Sure, Prince has a shit load more talent than Madonna does. We all know that. But at the end of the day, who's music is gonna get more play around the world?

TimeKeeper said:

I find it interesting that you call fans enjoyment of this particular record "ass kissing". Get over your BPFS and, If poeple enjoy the freakin record let them be. Why are you hell bent on trying to tell folks what they should and should not like? There have been very very few people who have said this is the best thing he's ever done. And even if some have that opinion what's it to you.