TimeKeeper said: Graycap23 said: Can you say, "hey ya" by Outkast? I may not be a huge fan of that song, but I understand why it's a big hit. It's different and very catchy. The video helped a lot, but the song mostly carried itself. A lot of hard core Prince fans have a hard time accepting the fact that most people don't like what they like. I used to have that problem but I grew out of it. That song without a video is TERRIBLE on every level. | |
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Graycap23 said: TimeKeeper said: I may not be a huge fan of that song, but I understand why it's a big hit. It's different and very catchy. The video helped a lot, but the song mostly carried itself. A lot of hard core Prince fans have a hard time accepting the fact that most people don't like what they like. I used to have that problem but I grew out of it. That song without a video is TERRIBLE on every level. It's your right to feel that way, but when the song plays at the clubs, people go nuts. Do you think anyone's gonna go nuts for Black Sweat or anything else on 3121? | |
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TimeKeeper said: Graycap23 said: That song without a video is TERRIBLE on every level. It's your right to feel that way, but when the song plays at the clubs, people go nuts. Do you think anyone's gonna go nuts for Black Sweat or anything else on 3121? See.....that's the POWER of video. When you hear this song, you think of the video. | |
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Graycap23 said: TimeKeeper said: It's your right to feel that way, but when the song plays at the clubs, people go nuts. Do you think anyone's gonna go nuts for Black Sweat or anything else on 3121? See.....that's the POWER of video. When you hear this song, you think of the video. Yeah, but even a kick ass video won't make any song on 3121 a monster hit. | |
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TimeKeeper said: Graycap23 said: See.....that's the POWER of video. When you hear this song, you think of the video. Yeah, but even a kick ass video won't make any song on 3121 a monster hit. Now we agree. Prince is too old I think..... | |
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3121 is the first Prince album I have bought since Batman. Prior to this it was fair to say (taking into consideration my age at the time) that Prince was my life. I bought all the 12", albums, videos on the day of release and knew exactly what was going on regarding collaborations, affiliated artists etc. I am one of those fans who mourned the '90's but would never consider myself a hater. I, in a way, mourned the fact that I was out of step with what Prince was releasing. For me, Black Sweat is one of the best songs I have heard in years and stands up against any of his great tracks (and yes it is helped by the video but videos have always been one of his strengths.) The album is brilliant, not every song is a winner for me but I couldn't say that about any bands artists. For me 3121 is a cause for celebration and brought me to the org this year.
When an artist like Prince hits #1 with little airplay and promotion, it's a major accomplishment, and it's nice to see most Prince fans celebrating this success rather than come up with reasons to explain it away to make their own dire and negative predictions look less ridiculous and wrong – which, of course, they were.
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Graycap23 said: TimeKeeper said: Yeah, but even a kick ass video won't make any song on 3121 a monster hit. Now we agree. Prince is too old I think..... Well, Madonna is the same age and her songs are major hits around the world. The videos aren't anything special, but the songs are really good and she can still move. She still knows how to act young, and that makes a huge difference. Prince may not be able to dance like he used to, but he can still work it if he really wanted to. | |
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Graycap23 said: NorthernLad said: The argument that Prince is now successful because he is "riding on his name" is simply 100% incorrect.
Remember when Prince's name got him NOTHING but ridicule? I recall when Pulse Magazine did a review of "Emancipation" in their year-end edition that stated basically "If this record - 3 CDs of diverse and very strong material - had been released by a young 23 year old up and comer, it would have set the world of R&B on its ear. But because it’s Prince, people expect greatness and are used to it, so it doesn't get much notice." For Prince to recapture his relevance, commercial appeal and success after such a long time in the wilderness commercially is a HUGE accomplishment. Over the span of the last 2 to 3 years, he has RECAPTURED his good name – he is not “riding” on it. The hardest thing in the world to come back from is being considered "uncool" and for a long time, for most people Prince was synonymous with a joke on Leno or Letterman. He was a joke for changing his name, for his goofy behavior, for writing slave on his face, etc. Rightly or wrongly, he was a joke. BUTt he's come back from it on the strength of 2 great albums, a mind-blowing tour, and some fantastic TV performances..... And, given his R&R hall of fame induction, a renewed appreciation for his legacy. It's so funny, EVERY Prince album - even SOTT, 1999, Purple Rain - had its share of complainers, and every Prince album ever released will have its share of complainers. I remember when “Lovesexy” came out, it was greeted with quite a bit of astonishment and hostility, because people wanted the Black Album, and they hated the cover, and they hated the material. It was bewildering at first. When "ATWIAD" came out, there were GROANS of consternation from those who wanted another 1999 or Purple Rain. When “SOTT” came out, half of the fans were still in mourning over the end of The Revolution. When “Diamonds & Pearls” came out, people hated the hip-hop angle. The haters have always been there and will always be there, simply claiming to be waiting for Prince to release another "good" album. "3121" in my mind is easily his best album since "The Gold Experience", and possibly the best since "Lovesexy." It's a lithe and tight, funky collection of songs with really no weak links. And it's a #1 album and huge success. "3121" is also one of the most universally acclaimed albums of Prince's career. I understand not liking the album, buy why try to come up with such tortuous reasons to explain away and try to marginalize the albums' success? I guess there were people that said "Purple Rain" was only a success because of the movie; and ATWIAD was a success because it was riding PR's coattails; “Batman” was only a success because of the movie; what other reasons do people give? The haters always want to explain away a triumph. But the reality is this: anybody with any rudimentary knowledge of the realties of the album charts will tell you that MOST WEEKS 184k would be enough to challenge for a #1 spot. What does “weak competition” mean? There was no Eminem or 50 Cent CD out this week, or something else guaranteed to move 600k+ units? That means “weak competition”? I have a newsflash for you folks - - - there are only a handful of those type of releases a year. If you want to whine about “3121” having “weak competition” then you must have a pretty dim view of the music industry, because 184k would do the job more often than not. I guess a lot of #1 albums get there because of “weak competition.” When an artist like Prince hits #1 with little airplay and promotion, it's a major accomplishment, and it's nice to see most Prince fans celebrating this success rather than come up with reasons to explain it away to make their own dire and negative predictions look less ridiculous and wrong – which, of course, they were. GREAT.....great.....great POST! well thank u | |
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It would be over if he was a anyone other then a musician. All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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He will have another ten year lull, believe me. Has anyone seen Fefe Dobson? All you others say Hell Yea!! | |
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TimeKeeper said: Well, Madonna is the same age and her songs are major hits around the world. The videos aren't anything special, but the songs are really good and she can still move. She still knows how to act young, and that makes a huge difference.
Oh no. | |
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The problem with all the haters, is that haven't a leg to stand on... I LOVE seeing how they change their tune each year:
Through the NPS, Rave, TRC years, it was: "Prince doesn't sell because his albums suck." "He'll never have top the charts again." After Musicology: "He's just selling out the tour cause he's a nostalgia act. If you take away the giveaways, he hasn't sold crap." Now, after 3121: "Let's see how far he drops next week." "He may have hit number one, but he doesn't have any hit singles." "Universal bought the chart spot" Face it... Prince won. And those who appreciate the man's work, we've been winnin' for years! Ya'll are scrambling like roaches when the light comes on now, BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! | |
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jpav said: Ya'll are scrambling like roaches when the light comes on now, BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! | |
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jpav said: The problem with all the haters, is that haven't a leg to stand on... I LOVE seeing how they change their tune each year:
Through the NPS, Rave, TRC years, it was: "Prince doesn't sell because his albums suck." "He'll never have top the charts again." After Musicology: "He's just selling out the tour cause he's a nostalgia act. If you take away the giveaways, he hasn't sold crap." Now, after 3121: "Let's see how far he drops next week." "He may have hit number one, but he doesn't have any hit singles." "Universal bought the chart spot" Face it... Prince won. And those who appreciate the man's work, we've been winnin' for years! Ya'll are scrambling like roaches when the light comes on now, BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! I couldn't have said it any better. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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TimeKeeper said: I never thought his career would be over. I just didn't think he'd be relevant in modern music. I still don't think he will be. He just dropped this album at a time where there's poor competition.
The true test will be if the songs become hits like the ones from the good ol days. Have to agree. | |
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TimeKeeper said: Graycap23 said: Now we agree. Prince is too old I think..... Well, Madonna is the same age and her songs are major hits around the world. The videos aren't anything special, but the songs are really good and she can still move. She still knows how to act young, and that makes a huge difference. Prince may not be able to dance like he used to, but he can still work it if he really wanted to. hahaha !!! Madonna makes great songs ?!!!! Madonna is nowhere near Prince. She cannot sing, she cannot play any instrument like Prince does, she cannot comose a song really on her own. She is a business woman, not a musician. Cut the crap. You feel bad cuz Prince just released an album that a vast majority of people, fans and critics really dig. Moreover he is now N.1 in the us Charts. That's too much to handle for a sore naysayer like you. " Je serai toujours de retour bande de mods à la con de mes deux " Moi - 2007 | |
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Prince's career will be over when he decides it's over. He's proven whatever he needed to prove years ago, and his success now is just icing on the cake. The guy's a legend. That's been cemented. The thing that I think works in his favor is that he's a hard persona for a lot of people to wrap their heads around, so he kinda comes off like the underdog or as "oh, he's still around?" whenever he does something new.
And who are these people who act like they didn't know he made records after Purple Rain? Do they get out much? Do they own televisions? | |
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jpav said: The problem with all the haters, is that haven't a leg to stand on... I LOVE seeing how they change their tune each year:
Through the NPS, Rave, TRC years, it was: "Prince doesn't sell because his albums suck." "He'll never have top the charts again." After Musicology: "He's just selling out the tour cause he's a nostalgia act. If you take away the giveaways, he hasn't sold crap." Now, after 3121: "Let's see how far he drops next week." "He may have hit number one, but he doesn't have any hit singles." "Universal bought the chart spot" Face it... Prince won. And those who appreciate the man's work, we've been winnin' for years! Ya'll are scrambling like roaches when the light comes on now, BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! 100% correct | |
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Novabreaker said: TimeKeeper said: Well, Madonna is the same age and her songs are major hits around the world. The videos aren't anything special, but the songs are really good and she can still move. She still knows how to act young, and that makes a huge difference.
Oh no. She moves more than Prince does. | |
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jpav said: The problem with all the haters, is that haven't a leg to stand on... I LOVE seeing how they change their tune each year:
Through the NPS, Rave, TRC years, it was: "Prince doesn't sell because his albums suck." "He'll never have top the charts again." After Musicology: "He's just selling out the tour cause he's a nostalgia act. If you take away the giveaways, he hasn't sold crap." Now, after 3121: "Let's see how far he drops next week." "He may have hit number one, but he doesn't have any hit singles." "Universal bought the chart spot" Face it... Prince won. And those who appreciate the man's work, we've been winnin' for years! Ya'll are scrambling like roaches when the light comes on now, BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! At the end of the day, Prince's music is still pretty lame. | |
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sarkozy2007 said: TimeKeeper said: Well, Madonna is the same age and her songs are major hits around the world. The videos aren't anything special, but the songs are really good and she can still move. She still knows how to act young, and that makes a huge difference. Prince may not be able to dance like he used to, but he can still work it if he really wanted to. hahaha !!! Madonna makes great songs ?!!!! Madonna is nowhere near Prince. She cannot sing, she cannot play any instrument like Prince does, she cannot comose a song really on her own. She is a business woman, not a musician. Cut the crap. You feel bad cuz Prince just released an album that a vast majority of people, fans and critics really dig. Moreover he is now N.1 in the us Charts. That's too much to handle for a sore naysayer like you. Vast majority of PEOPLE dig this album? Are you fucking serious? Madonna doesn't need to be as talented as Prince. She still has REAL hits while Prince pops in once in a while to impress people with his hits of the past. If you ask the average person what the last Prince hit they remember is, they'll give you a title from well over 10 years ago. When Prince has a hit as big as Hung Up, get back to me. | |
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TimeKeeper said: jpav said: The problem with all the haters, is that haven't a leg to stand on... I LOVE seeing how they change their tune each year:
Through the NPS, Rave, TRC years, it was: "Prince doesn't sell because his albums suck." "He'll never have top the charts again." After Musicology: "He's just selling out the tour cause he's a nostalgia act. If you take away the giveaways, he hasn't sold crap." Now, after 3121: "Let's see how far he drops next week." "He may have hit number one, but he doesn't have any hit singles." "Universal bought the chart spot" Face it... Prince won. And those who appreciate the man's work, we've been winnin' for years! Ya'll are scrambling like roaches when the light comes on now, BUT WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! At the end of the day, Prince's music is still pretty lame. Then don't listen to it and leave. Why are you here trying to bring something negative to an accomplishment. That my friend is called HATE. | |
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TimeKeeper said:[quote] sarkozy2007 said: When Prince has a hit as big as Hung Up, get back to me. Your reasoning is dire need of an Abba sample . "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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larksanders said: TimeKeeper said: At the end of the day, Prince's music is still pretty lame. Then don't listen to it and leave. Why are you here trying to bring something negative to an accomplishment. That my friend is called HATE. Why don't you go to NPGMC or Housquake, where EVERYONE praises Prince? | |
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giotto said:[quote] TimeKeeper said: sarkozy2007 said: When Prince has a hit as big as Hung Up, get back to me. Your reasoning is dire need of an Abba sample . Prince could use an Abba sample. | |
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TimeKeeper said: larksanders said: Then don't listen to it and leave. Why are you here trying to bring something negative to an accomplishment. That my friend is called HATE. Why don't you go to NPGMC or Housquake, where EVERYONE praises Prince? Dude, you're funny and now you're starting to get pretty pathetic. Was that the best you could do? I have never praised Prince with everything he does. However I don't come to a Prince FAN site and try to take away from his accomplishment. Either you're not getting enough attention at home or work or you're just fishing for responses. Either way you've won, but ended up looking like a complete idiot in process. | |
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TimeKeeper said: giotto said: Your reasoning is dire need of an Abba sample . Prince could use an Abba sample. | |
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TimeKeeper said: sarkozy2007 said: hahaha !!! Madonna makes great songs ?!!!! Madonna is nowhere near Prince. She cannot sing, she cannot play any instrument like Prince does, she cannot comose a song really on her own. She is a business woman, not a musician. Cut the crap. You feel bad cuz Prince just released an album that a vast majority of people, fans and critics really dig. Moreover he is now N.1 in the us Charts. That's too much to handle for a sore naysayer like you. Vast majority of PEOPLE dig this album? Are you fucking serious? Madonna doesn't need to be as talented as Prince. She still has REAL hits while Prince pops in once in a while to impress people with his hits of the past. If you ask the average person what the last Prince hit they remember is, they'll give you a title from well over 10 years ago. When Prince has a hit as big as Hung Up, get back to me. This is lame as fuck. Why are you comparing an apple with an orange? Man this is just pathetic. People, TimeKeeper is a HATER. Don't let this bozo get you wound up with this Madonna shit and every other piece of garbage coming out. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: TimeKeeper said: Vast majority of PEOPLE dig this album? Are you fucking serious? Madonna doesn't need to be as talented as Prince. She still has REAL hits while Prince pops in once in a while to impress people with his hits of the past. If you ask the average person what the last Prince hit they remember is, they'll give you a title from well over 10 years ago. When Prince has a hit as big as Hung Up, get back to me. This is lame as fuck. Why are you comparing an apple with an orange? Man this is just pathetic. People, TimeKeeper is a HATER. Don't let this bozo get you wound up with this Madonna shit and every other piece of garbage coming out. Prince is one of the all-time best LIVE performers... we know that and I'll always be first (hopefully) in line for a seat... HOWEVER, Madonna (with help from a sample or other producers) DOES make superior dance records, and lately, catchier pop HITS... Deal with it. | |
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[/quote] Well, Madonna is the same age and her songs are major hits around the world. The videos aren't anything special, but the songs are really good and she can still move. She still knows how to act young, and that makes a huge difference. Prince may not be able to dance like he used to, but he can still work it if he really wanted to.[/quote]
Prince is and has always been a WAY better dancer than Madge. When did we ever see her jump off a platform into the splits and pop back up without the support of one of her backups? The videos, to her credit, are what kept her career going; the song writing, which is not even all her own -- just paid for, has wavered as much as Prince's music. Remember, Madge had the AOL/TimeWarner/CNN corps pushing her stuff in our face in every venue of the media while Price was in his self imposed exile ( nonetheless, showed a great deal of INTEGRITY towards his craft). Madonna looked at what was popular, then sat down to write or just put her name on other folk's music (remember the Lenny Kravitz/Justify My Love scandal). | |
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