Vagina said:

I sincerely thank you very much for your honest evaluation. No, I am not fanatical at all. Most who are JWs are not, we are largely very reasonable people. What I see here is something I have seen more than a few times, though. Someone newly baptized as a Jehovah's Witness, you must remember, was not unlike most here. Not a JW. They are not, for the most part, teachers and tactful in the art of teaching for they are babes to this new experience, and even though zealous and mean well, sometimes come across as, well, a little fanatical, for lack of a better term. This fades with time. Not that their zeal fades, but more accurate understanding of the Scriptures and instruction designed to make teachers out of us, helps us to gain a progressive understanding of things and season the things we say with salt, as it were. To make it more palatable. So next time you get that impression from one of us, just remember, odds are not so long ago they were not a JW. They were just like you. But they've learned some things they feel really great about and want to share it with everyone. Like I said, the longer they are JWs, if they apply what they learn, the better teachers they will become.
Thank you again, vagina. That meant a lot to hear that from you.

With all due respect, I get VERY sick of all the self-righteous, religious types quoting bible verses and trying to act like they have "the truth" at their disposal. This kind of crap starts wars in the "real" world and pisses people off on the internet as well.

Drop all this stupid fucking bible thumping and talk about something else. Prince is a complete ass for what he did and he had NO right whatsoever to try to push his views on someone else.

People have the right to be atheists.
People have the right to be christians.
People have the right to be jehovah's witnesses.
People have the right to be Buddhists.
People have the right to be Hindus.
Etc.

People have the right to be self-important, bigoted, religious assholes as well, but they should try to keep their opinions to themselves.


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[This message was edited Sun Jul 14 8:29:58 PDT 2002 by IceNine]

I know this woman and she told me about it.

She was hurt at frist but shit she got 2 sit back stage with prince and chat about the bible.

She isnt going 2 get any more tats... but she walked away with a bible from prince..

i guess every body has goals in life

p.s. the tat that she showed him ( she has a few symbols and other prince tats) was of his face.

mayb he just didnt like the artist rendition of his features

The exact passage was Leviticus 19:28 . . . "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the LORD."

So for all you with tattoos, I wondered what your opinion of this Bible reference is...

Bottom line is, this Scripture is part of the Mosiac Law and was in effect only specificly to Ancient Israel under that law. It is the only time any mention of it occurs in the Bible and is not a statute repeated to Christians. There was a specific reason for it at the time, it no ,longer applies since the Law was fulfilled. Or, as Russell said (go figure, I agree with Taz on this one) all the rest of the Law would be in effect.

To have or not to have a tatoo is a personal decision based on conscience for a Christian. Yes, there are factors to consider in making such a decision, but the long and short of it is, it is up to the person. I, for one, have a tatoo. I am one of Jehovah's Witnesses. It is in a discreet place that I can cover when I need to as not to detract from my ministry etc. but I do have one. Would I advise anyone else to get one? No. Would I advise against it? Not necessarily, but maybe. There is no hard & fast rule guiding such a thing for Christians. Instead, certain principles need to be applied. This may be a case of Prince's conscience letting him try to decide what another should do. We need to be cautious of this. Just because you may feel strongly about a certain thing, doesn't mean it is your place to decide for another to come to the same conclusion you arrived at. Each one must carry his/her own load. I hope that makes enough sense to those not Biblicly inclined.

No tattoo for me.

Do you think Prince would have tattooed on his body? Does Mani have a symbol permanently affixed to her ass? Did Mayte?

Did Fred, Aaron, Kirk, Mr. Hayes, Takumi or anyone around Prince have tattoos?

Lavish you are so right in the respect that how can you selectively quote certain passages in the bible to fit your argument? There are so many passages in there. And yes we should not be judgemental towards each other cause God will judge us all! God forgives everything so why can't we ? Why can't we forgive our brothers and sisters and be more Christian like? I know first hand you can be a good person and get spit on so to speak although it breaks your spirit and your faith in mankind sometimes since your conception of that Perfect Ideal world is shattered I believe we must still have faith that things will get better that things will change in a more positive vein.

Dear Prince,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people
regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your beliefs, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone has a tattoo, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 19:28 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the
Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I
wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? -Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

LoveAlways,

C.Taze Russell
[This message was edited Sat Jul 13 19:35:00 PDT 2002 by CTazeRussell]

Vagina said:

I sincerely thank you very much for your honest evaluation. No, I am not fanatical at all. Most who are JWs are not, we are largely very reasonable people. What I see here is something I have seen more than a few times, though. Someone newly baptized as a Jehovah's Witness, you must remember, was not unlike most here. Not a JW. They are not, for the most part, teachers and tactful in the art of teaching for they are babes to this new experience, and even though zealous and mean well, sometimes come across as, well, a little fanatical, for lack of a better term. This fades with time. Not that their zeal fades, but more accurate understanding of the Scriptures and instruction designed to make teachers out of us, helps us to gain a progressive understanding of things and season the things we say with salt, as it were. To make it more palatable. So next time you get that impression from one of us, just remember, odds are not so long ago they were not a JW. They were just like you. But they've learned some things they feel really great about and want to share it with everyone. Like I said, the longer they are JWs, if they apply what they learn, the better teachers they will become.
Thank you again, vagina. That meant a lot to hear that from you.

The JW's I have met seem to be nice and they are very neat people (clean) the ones I have met in person, like the ones I work with for instance. I don't agree with them but they don't bother me

Praise God that Jesus did all the work for us.

vgallo6 said:

Yeah, so now we can fuck up all we want and its OK cuz Jesus washes our sins with his blood!
So there's no conflict with slavery, genocide, pollution, etc...
God be praised! Let's go shopping!

No, I am not fanatical at all. Most who are JWs are not, we are largely very reasonable people.

the longer they are JWs, if they apply what they learn, the better teachers they will become.

i'm not going to allow this. bt89 IS a fanatic. he has NEVER made a statement on here that is not bible oriented. give him an inch and he'll take a mile. vagina, if he fools you that's your problem. the rest of you should be aware of what kind of person he really is.

Im confused isnt Ctazerussell a JW or something. Not the name here but the real person. I figured someone here using that name is down with him. Or is it someone trying to be funny?