I was wondering if anyone else is feelin what im feelin here with the (hold to ur wigs im going to be out of order here) stupid, excessive, hype building, overproclaiming, vain, premadonna literature garbage that comes with Prince promotion..

those damn friggin emails from NPGMC preaching to the converted.. "yes i know prince is good, thats why im a fan" i say to myself.. why email ur fans tellin them what they already feel??

And seeing as music is a matter of personal opinion, as prince always say, why now is the latest promotion using so many bloody adjectives..

amazing
brilliant
plaintively brilliant
indelibly cemented his reputation
21 century impresario
pursuer of the musical stratosphere
prophetic
groundbreaking
genius
most successful
most talked about
most creative
most innovative



oh jesus H christ gimmie a break i think im going to be sick


MODESTYis obviously not a virtue..


who the hell writes his promo stuff.. the latest uk website just made me want to be ill, even npgmc itself is really getting on my nerves.. its not serious at all is it!


Ive never read so much commercial hype and spin, and i point again to irritating emails sent to fan members, filled with all these adjectives as further proof


the uk website for 3121 has a section called "latest info" and promply then gives u a rediculous, inaccurate bio starting from 1979, addressing diamonds and pearls but completely forgetting recent accomplishments like TRC.



holy crap, its commercialism to the point where I cant take it anymore, and I thought prince didnt like that side of the biz anyway!! and if he's so friggin famous and amazing, why feel the need to remind us of his accomplishments?

The UK website in particular is the latest straw.. that latest news section is not latest news, it has been carefully crafted to try to educate any new person "discovering" prince.


Completely misses out the name change... this is re-writing history!! doesnt want to tell this new comer this is the quack that changed his name to symbol and the whole world laughed at...


and i thought that decision to change the name was supposed to be a special decision, from an "angel".. well not that special clearly..

man.. is anyone else getting slowly as cheesed off as i am?

I hope I backed up my rant here sufficiently enough that it holds some weight, and u guys c what i mean.


And ps... dont bloody put words and feelings into ppl's minds before theyve heard the album, let them hear it first and judge for themselves, if ur so confidant about the music, LET IT SPEAK FOR ITSELF


everyone knows if someone starts ranting "look how good i am" its usually to hide the fact that their shit.


What's got media folx cheering... obviously the fact that prince has sold out, turned himself into a hypocrite, given in to big wheel commerical pressure


I swear to u, I would NOT be surprised if prince's next album after this is with Warners, with a stupid lame ass excuse, just like his decision to change his name back to prince (did the angel tell u to change it back prince??)



rant over.

at least the PR stuff reads more professional than it has over the past few years, i'll give it that.

but yeah, i don't know...prince doesn't need hyperbole, but his entire persona is based on hyperbole. so whatevs.

I'm not getting pissed off with it ... because:

1. It's marketing material - invariably an exaggerated, inaccurate set of statements.

2. I can think of more pressing issues to get pissed off about than a CD marketing campaign.

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Anx said:

I think its more to do with vanity


prince wants to be remembered again. He wants the fame and respect he used to have. He's decided to chase sales counting and chart positions again.


I think its partly because he feels he has something to say, and partly that middle aged crisis where u suddenly feel the need to be remembered and relevant.



think of the calculated attempts to reclaim the no.1 spot by reinventing themselves and getting a whole new teen market in,

for eg Madonna and Kylie Manogue.



prince is just going through that phase. I personally prefer prince when he's about making music and not about chasin the sale/chart position, as he is clearly trying to do.

why not just release the album? why the hype and spin? u know the fans r going to buy it regardless.


i dont get it. i just dont like the new direction im seeing with prince. I think the promo stuff smacks of desperateness.

Im sorry, but I do, thats how I feel with what ive seen at the moment.

langebleu said:

its not just the CD campaign, its every time something is released, even a new mp3.

Americans r used to having hype and marketing shoved down ur throats so I suppose u dont spot it/realise or ur just plain used to it/numbed to the effect


Us brits usually expect a little modesty and taste with our commercialism.

not- blam! in ur face! buy it now! 100's of adjectives!

Not that he needs a fanatic to write for him promo wise but it seems like someone with a sense of perspective on his music would be helpful to be part of the marketing team. Thing is, the marketing team are probably fresh faces who did not grow up with his music for that perspective to write differently on his current offerings.

It's a Violet Brown promotional era

What is done there, is standard marketing strategy - mention any positive comment on the product you want to sell that you can find. If that pisses someone off - fine. But that person then probably should be pissed off by any movie poster, ad and whatever out there too.

Let's be glad that there is a marketing at all. Nothing to be taken for granted when it comes to Prince Rogers Nelson albums.

PurpleHouse said:

Yes

I'm British .. and I see it for what it is.

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langebleu said:

did give prior warning to my rant! well i know what it is too, just peeves me a touch, coming from prince, to tone it down a little.

just an opinion, and wanted to see if others were feelin it too.

PurpleHouse said:

What do you prefer - having the usual marketing blah blah written by some coke noses or having no marketing at all for a record with potential? Just curious...

EmancipationLover said:

yes I know its standard industry stuff... thats my point though. I thought prince didnt like all the big wheels of commercialism- to do it the "standard" way

to me its unusual that there is a big attempt to attract new fans and have a big hit record from prince. not usually his style.



i suppose some fans r enjoying the attention he's getting at the moment. from that angle- fair enough - im just stating my personal opinion to it, wondered if others felt the same way.

EmancipationLover said:

i wouldnt put it like that. its not "marketing" or "no marketing" that r the options. its the STYLE of marketing, that im talking about.

PurpleHouse said:

I would even go that far and say that I like that he's playing the game of the industry to a certain extent. In contrast to the "I fight WB" days, he doesn't fight windmills or tries to re-invent the wheel this time. Why should he btw? He has made his standpoints on the record industry clear already. He just uses the system to a certain degree now, but with limits (hence the one album deal).

I just think that we've had career suicide near business decisions by Mr. Nelson in a reasonable number. If that's the way record marketing is nowadays with 25 websites for the same product but basically all saying nothing - o.k., there's worse stuff out there imo.

EmancipationLover said:

"I just think that we've had career suicide near business decisions by Mr. Nelson in a reasonable number."





i know what u mean man, i still find the cheese lines hard to bear at times

This is a really interesting thread. Thanks.

langebleu said:

ditto.

It's just your standard promotional fare, a little overdone but it's almost always overdone. These things are expected to be fluffy. Someone of Prince's stature could afford to be more minimalist in that respect.

oo goodie purplehouse knows

Aerogram said:

What exactly is a minimalistic promotion? The one he did for "Chaos and Disorder"?

Prince probably has a solid, concrete fanbase of around 500,000 - 750,000 people...and maybe half of them are guaranteed to buy whatever he puts out. So in a way he has to "preach to the choir" as well as to the non-converted. Think of it this way: if every single person in Prince's fanbase bought a copy of 3121 during its first week out, it would debut at #1 with possibly close to a million units sold. So it's worth it to throw some extra interjections into the marketing to fans.

PurpleHouse,

I mostly agree. I looked at that 3121 UK site and was surprised at it. No matter what you click on you get a history of Prince "accomplishments". There's really nothing there about 3121. And yeah, it seems aimed at someone discovering Prince for the first time. Yet, how are they supposed to know about that site. I see it as being more like the beginnings of an official Prince site. One that tells you about him and his accomplishments, etc. But unlike the musicclub, it doesn't require a membership just to find out about Prince. I guess it seemed to me like it would be an official version of Prince.org. I thought it was a bit much too.

Anyway, I see your point. He's preaching to the choir and it's misguided marketing.

The less promotion,
The less album sales.

The less album sales,
The more chance winning the PURPLE TICKET !!!!


WHAT I MEAN IS; PROMOTION OR NOT WE BUY ANYWAY.....

intelligent people dont need to be SOLD anything

maybe the 'marketing people' are hoping to sell 3121 to a bunch of dumb people?

stuck in a fucking timewarp