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Reply #60 posted 03/19/06 1:50am

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fluid said:

The Black Album has to be the weirdest shit Prince has ever come out with.
What was P thinking when he came out with this stuff? I know it was supposed to be released in 1987 but even his stuff didn't sound like this.

His stuff changed after Purple Rain. Even Lovesexy and SIgn'o The Times didn't sound like this.

There was absoloutley no writing or color on the cover. It indeed was The Black Album cause it came from the depest darkest parts of his consciouss. Good thing his musical talent didn't seem to be effected.

Hope he never tries anything likeit again.


There was a reason he left his name off the cover and why there was absolutely no marketing for this album. It was just supposed to show up at the music store and whoever knew about it would buy it. It was less serious than his typical music, so he distanced himself from it.
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Reply #61 posted 03/19/06 1:53am

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Oh I Believe He took Esctasy, I just dont buy the "Seeing God" stuff that was associated with him deciding to pull the cd. I remember that he said something bout if he died he didnt want TBA to be his last musical statement.


If the ecstasy thing is true, then yes, I question the story about seeing a vision with the letters "G-O-D." Ecstasy doesn't cause that type of hallucination.
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Reply #62 posted 03/19/06 2:44am

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CrozzaUK said:

This album is a frikkin masterpeice. Le Grind into Cindy C is just 10 minute non stop party. I play it many a time before a night out to get me in the mood, and i generally play the album right through when im working out in the gym.....its brilliant for that.

For me it represents everything i love(d) about Prince. Weird and Wonderful, innovative, lyrically amusing, musically inspired, and damn funky, this album is Prince at his peak.

I think we should start listing the reasons to love this album.

The Bass solo in 2 Nigs.

"I just hate to see an erection go to waste"

The stop start ending to Cindy C

A bucket of Squirrel Meat!!! WTF?

"Cos in my possession is a signed confession that says, i was the best you'd ever had"

Serve it up Franky

The incessant guitar scratching in Superfunkycalifragisexy

"for some one who cant stand them TV dinners you sure as hell eat enough of them"

Come on people give me some more.....



A tothe men, This is deeply satisfying and very funny/ cosmic/ freaky/dark/ warped/ groovy record.

"Cat whats happenin babe, I want you to meet some friends of mine" Get out of my face it aint that kind of party"

"Oh Cindy, Don't want to play WITHme, "Ah Yes", "No", OHHHHH CINDY!

"You turn on the neon, and you play with yourself until you turn em on"

The insistent funkiness of Le Grind, definitely the natural successor to Housequake "Let me show u, what ur hips are made 4"

"Prince that skinny motherfucker with the high voice"
"Oh no the nigger's got a laser"

And my main reason 4 having it, when 2 R in Love, this isnt dark by any sense of he word, its Prince's sexiest and creamiest balad ever.
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Reply #63 posted 03/19/06 3:03am

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lazycrockett said:

Also When it was first to be released, There wasnt going to be any sort of promotion or a single released. That was the way that Prince wanted to do it and Warner Bro. wanted to promote it, or so i remember.

He wanted to release it to prove that he was still "Funky" and let the fans find it for themselves by word of mouth. So I dont think that this cd was meant to break new ground, it was just a reminder to the nay sayers as what he could throw down.


Also I dont thing there ever was an official title for the cd.


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Precisely, it was originally titled 'The Funk Bible'.




modernaire said:

Well how I understand it this album was made during his "Dark Electric" phase.


'Dark electric' phase? It's already been said, correctly, in this thread the album was not RECORDED, but COMPILED of existing material. Some of these tracks were recorded alongside upbeat and happy-go-lucky tracks, so I dunno what this 'dark electric' phase is.


modernaire said:

The old bootlegs of the album were all black covered albums. I remember seeing a lot of the differents boots of the record and really they all looked a lot alike. The Warner release looks likes the boots did. I have no clue as to the rhyme nor reason for that.


The reason is that official copies escaped to the collectors market, so people knew that the cover was just plain black - So the bootleggers just went with the same idea.




Moonbeam said:

I'm glad it was shelved. Lovesexy is a much better album.

The Black Album is interesting, but ultimately I think if released it would have been his weakest album of the 80s.



That's the thing though - Don't look at it as the 'almost follow-up to SOTT', because it was never gonna be that - look at it as you look at the Madhouse records - because that's more of how it was going to be released.

If it had been released, it's interesting to 'what if' on what would have happened next.... There would've been no Lovesexy, Prince would have most likely continued straight away with the original Graffiti Bridge album and movie project - Who knows what would happen after that, he might not have accepted to do the Batman project if he was already knee deep in making the first incarnation of the Graffiti Bridge movie.... Where then? No Diamonds & Pearls?.... Speculation of course, but based on probables.


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Reply #64 posted 03/19/06 3:03am

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Black Album was, and I suspect, always will be, in my top 5 Prince albums of all time.
X. Hmmm.
"You said you was funky..."
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Reply #65 posted 03/19/06 3:09am

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As usual, hate 2 say it, I'm with the majority: Black Album rock-funks ur a off!!! FIrst heard it as a cassette recording of a bootleg in '89 and then got TWO copies given to me on vinyl! Still love it (I'm sure the mystique helped some).
Thinking about it, to me it's like a "b-side album". Not an album of b-sides, but an entire record that has the qualities of b-sides - think about it: erotic city, irresistible bitch, La La La He He He, Scarlet Pussy etc. would all fit perfectly on TBA. And, as with most fans, I almost preferred the b-sides to the releases in the '80s. So that may explain why it's so popular here...
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

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Reply #66 posted 03/19/06 3:14am

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For real though TBA is Prince at his creative zenith. IMO.
"Bob, aint that a bitch"...
Not in this album per se, but in his musical timeline.
It takes you somewhere, which this topic was brought up in another forum about music taking you somewhere well this is a good example of that. Whether it's somewhere you dig or not it takes you somewhere. I seemed to never tire of The Black Album. Can't say that for a lot P albums.
"You'll like them, they're musicians"...
And I always hear something new everytime I listen. Hmmm. Classic? You Decide.
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Reply #67 posted 03/19/06 3:36am

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The album was not an official release in 1987 when it was bootlegged. The Warner release came out in the 90's. The bootleggers came up with the black cover. It was a compiled album from the "Dark(Spooky) Electric" phase he was thinking under. Much like the Camille stuff it had the same feel to it to make it more of an album. By the way my little Prince info novice, the Camille stuff was recorded at around the same time. Maybe Prince was working both ends of the spectrum? Who knows but him? Long story short, black cover came about because Warner went with the bootlegged design. The stuff came out around the same time frame and from what his frame of mind was.
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Reply #68 posted 03/19/06 3:52am

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Basicly what happened with the black album, according 2 the sound
engineer at the time was that Prince went on a 4 day bender on E
and recorded The Black album then woke up with an almighty hangover and
thought what have I done? Ive told WB 2 release an album with a black
cover and no mention of my name on it and he holted the release process.
So many hundred copys got pressed at the plant and a few made it out.
I think its a great album. http://www.myspace.com/craigssoapbox
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Reply #69 posted 03/19/06 4:02am

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modernaire said:

The album was not an official release in 1987 when it was bootlegged. The Warner release came out in the 90's. The bootleggers came up with the black cover.


No, no, no, no, no, no, no! How many times do we have to write the same thing?!

The album was set for release on Dec 7, 1987, it was cancelled, at Prince's requested a week prior to this - the album was already pressed up and boxed ready to go - The 1987 release looked EXACTLY as the 1994 release (except for the 'The Legendary Black Album' sticker on the cover) - THIS is where the bootleggers got the idea for an all Black cover from, hence the moniker the album became known as, 'The Black Album'.


matrixrox said:

Basicly what happened with the black album, according 2 the sound engineer at the time was that Prince went on a 4 day bender on E
and recorded The Black album then woke up with an almighty hangover and
thought what have I done?


No, no, no, no, no, no, no! How many times do we have to write the same thing?

It was NOT recorded whilst on E! It was COMPILED, and then he decided to CANCEL the release of the LP, a week before it was due to hit stores, AFTER this night (allegedly on E).



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And again, I cut and paste.....



Prince was upset at the lacklustre reception of Sign O The Times in the USA, the 'white' press was saying it was great, the 'black' press was saying he had lost it (his funk), after ATWIAD and Parade, he was going too hippy-ish, too "white".

This had been building since the success of Purple Rain, and was, a (minor) factor in the split with Revolution (a whole other story), this is contentious, but a compelling view.
Prince was cutting edge in 1981/82, he was out there, was he Black, was he White, was he straight, was he Gay, was he funk, was he New Wave?

That was fresh then, but now, Black music had moved on, rap and hip-hop was here, N.W.A. and their like were around the corner.

So he decided to put together an album of hard funk and 'black music' that would silence his critics who said he had lost his roots - the album, to be entitled - "The Funk Bible" (a title referenced in the opening lines of Le Grind) - the name says it all, with concerns to funk, this was to be The Holy Word.

The album was compiled entirely of previously recorded material (except for the newly recorded When 2 R In Love), and was to be released without any promotional at all, and without any information about the artist who had recorded the album.

It was labelled on the Warners release schedule as "Something" by "Someone" So it wasn't the follow-up to SOTT (That was scheduled to be the original Graffiti Bridge - which was already well underway with a script and a soundtrack). It was meant to be a side-project, taking the idea of anonymity from the Camille album (a funk album with no reference to Prince as the artist) and some of the projects from around that time and earlier, Madhouse, The Flesh.

The album was made up of several songs Prince had recorded for Sheila E's birthday party, 1986, a few out-takes and odd songs.
With him being compared to rap - Dead On It was a direct tongue-in-cheek commentary/attack on Rap, which Prince (at the time) derided - he thought, since rappers didn't play their own instruments, they were untalented (oh the irony come 1991!)

Prince was in a very unsure state at this time - The criticism didn't help - he had split up with Revolution, his long time band members and friends, who he had rose to fame with, and whom had become some of his closest ever collaborators (Wendy & Lisa), he'd broken off an engagement (Susannah, Wendy's identical twin), and Sign O' The Times was somewhat made up of older tracks from the Dream Factory and the Revolution era - so he had yet to prove himself 100% as an artist without the Revolution (even though their input on record was limited - they did have a prominent public image initially thanks to Purple Rain the movie).

So what with personal and professional turmoil, and critical remarks biting where it hurt, he wasn't that confident, he had started to question his own ability.

So he put together The Funk Bible, an album that says 'You don't think I can do Funk (Black) music any more - Listen to this, this is the stuff I do on my day off, this is the stuff I DON'T put on record because I've been there and done it!'

He pressed up an acetate and took it to the club Ruperts in MPLS to test the waters (House and Techno was coming in then, no doubt it was trickling into Minneapolis from places like Chicago and Detroit, and you can hear it in the first two tracks - especially with Cat's rap in Cindy C (a very slightly altered rendition of J M Silk's Music Is The Key rap - one of the earliest cross-over House hits) - I, myself, also think Bob George could have been a House hit, it's bizarre and dark, and I think it would have worked in clubs at the time, where House was new, and still unformed into the commercial genre we see today.

At the club a certain number of events unfold, and this is open to interpretation, but according to several people close to Prince at the time, including Matt Fink (keyboardist since 1979) and Susan Rogers (Studio Engineer for years). Prince took ecstasy (E, MDMA) that night, also meeting, poet and singer, Ingrid Chavez (Aura in Graffiti Bridge).

Apparently Prince had a bad trip and that night he went back to Paisley Park with Ingrid, after excusing himself with a stomachache, he called up Susan Rogers and asked her to come to the studio (employees were on 24 hour call, so it wasn't that wierd) - she recalls that he looked very spaced-out. He asked her if she loved him, and if she would stay with him, he freaked her out somewhat, and she said she loved him, but would not stay. She soon left Prince's employment. [ Susan's account can be found in Per Nilsen's biography DMSR, of which I am paraphrasing Susan Roger's comments here. ]

The next day, Prince called Mo Ostin (at Warners) and requested that the album be cancelled (regardless of what you may read, it was *entirely* Princes decision to cancel the album). This was 7 days before the scheduled release date, and the album had already been printed up in the thousands. Incidently, when Ostin left WB, it was around the time Prince started vocalising his distain with Warners and the whole name change thing occured. It shows the relationship between Prince and Mo, that Ostin cancelled the album's released at great expense to both Prince and Warners.

The album copies were destroyed, but inevitably some escaped. Prince received several cases of LPs, which he gave out to friends and close associates - and a small number of copies also ended up on the collectors market.

A few days later Prince embarked on the recording the whole Lovesexy album in a matter of weeks, practically in the order it is on the album, although I Wish U Heaven replaced The Line (still unreleased, but an early version is circulating). Also, both Lovesexy and Positivity are both different from their original incarnations (Positivity originally had Cat's Cindy C. rap, until Prince was made aware it was not an original rap by Cat). Lovesexy was originally scheduled as the lead single (official mixes and edits exist - uncirculating).

Anna Stesia pretty much tells the story of that night in the club on the bad trip - The beautiful girl is Ingrid, Greg is Greg Brooks - dancer and body guard from the Parade/SOTT tours (notice Greg, and fellow bodyguard/dancer, Wally weren't around for Lovesexy) - I recall reading that in 1986, some members of the Revolution, Wendy especially, had issues with those two (and maybe Jerome, I don't recall it being specified) - The resentment stemmed from Prince was hanging out more with these guys, instead of the band, their roles increasing to dancers and members of the Revolution on the Parade tour. Presumably they were just untalented body-guards, but I think Prince was enjoying the black male comeradery. (This relates to the contention regarding The Revolution break-up also).

I think it's possible that (if we take Anna Stesia this way) that Greg at least was in the club that night, and we know what Prince is like for cutting ties - seems after this event, Wally & Greg were gone, yet Ingrid, who was also there that night, was still around for several years. Make of that, what you will.

Prince's recording career is threaded by a spirituality in many songs, seemingly increasingly so since Controversy, themes about the afterlife, God, Christian ideals and dogma, love over lust, had been emerging through the music, 1999 showed us armaggedon, Purple Rain had several Christian-belief references in it's songs, Around The World In A Day was a journey of self-discovery and soul-seeking, parts of Parade & UTCM show where Prince was concerning his desire to take love (Susannah) over lust (his other girlfriends) and Crystal Ball/SOTT seemed to bring this all together, with tracks referencing global armageddon (Crystal Ball, SOTT, Play In The Sunshine), monogamous love (Forever In My Life) and Christian beliefs (The Cross).

The proposed follow-up to SOTT, Graffiti Bridge was also an overtly spiritually-themed piece (both the original version, for anyone who has read the script, and the later released version).

So the 'spiritual epiphany' of Lovesexy seems not entirely the eureka moment the tale in the tourbook would have us believe, but a culmination of years of lyrical (and personal) pondering on spiritual subjects, thus Lovesexy is less an epiphany, and more of a 'prodigal son' moment, after events of that night and the negative mind-set in compiling the material for the Black album, Prince resolved to strengthen and increase the spiritual message in his music - manifesto he honoured at least for the next few projects.

I must stress, the songs, except for When 2 R In Love all existed before the idea for the Black album came about, so the music itself is not 'negative', but the mind-set from which Prince put the album together, the album's purpose. You could say Prince realised, that the album was not borne of natural inspiration, but a desire to meet his critics head-on.

Whilst this is inspiration in itself, it is from a more reactionary position, than a pro-active one. Had Prince ever listened to his critics before? So this was the negativity of the album - a piece of work compiled for release with no other purpose than to try to gain praise from his critics, or at least silence them.

When the Black album was released in 1994, it was part of (but didn't directly contribute to) Prince's contractual obligations to Warners. It had been under possible release several times before that, most notable as part a two-CD set in 1991 - the first CD to be a best of upto 1990. After the failure of Lovesexy in the USA (his worst selling album since Controversy), and the disappointment of Graffiti Bridge - both film and album - Warners wanted to let the market rest a while, and put out a Best Of.

Prince had other ideas - a new batch of songs embracing the new form of Black pop music, rap, featuring his new protegee, Tony M. - Diamonds & Pearls. Prince had made a total 180 degree turn on the issue of hip-hop, he recognised the commercial force it held, and went about incorporating it into his own sound in order to gain another commercial hit - which Diamonds & Pearls succeeded at fantastically - so well in fact, that it might have written Prince's 'death warrant', since in 1992, Prince signed the infamous contract with Warners that would lead to his name change and so much bitter wrangling throughout the 1990's.

You could say that The Black Album was the pivot on which Prince's career thus far rests - before it, album after album of progression and inginuity - after it, self-doubt, band-wagon jumping and technically fluffery - until, arguably, The Rainbow Children - another "spirtual epiphany".....



This is a copy of the original 1987 LP release.....




SOURCE: http://sleevographia2.fre...0USA11.htm

And the original 1987 longbox CD release.....




SOURCE: http://users.skynet.be/yo...kalbum.htm

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Reply #70 posted 03/19/06 7:05am

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NouveauDance said:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no! How many times do we have to write the same thing?!



Apparently, a LOT because it doesn't seem to be sinking in for some. lol
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Reply #71 posted 03/19/06 7:15am

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doeineffect said:

Bob George is a fucking masterpiece!!!



Damn skippy

"Is Mr George home...Why don't you leave motherfuckers lone."
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Reply #72 posted 03/19/06 8:39am

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jtfolden said:

NouveauDance said:

No, no, no, no, no, no, no! How many times do we have to write the same thing?!



Apparently, a LOT because it doesn't seem to be sinking in for some. lol



Innit!


duh
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Reply #73 posted 03/20/06 5:46am

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The Black Album was Prince at his creative best. I would have loved to have seen the mainstream buzz had it been released at the time. With Lovesexy following it of course. Not to mention the couple albums in the mix at the time.. .. Sign, Madhouse, Black, Lovesexy,....all the other projects in the mix at the time...Camile.... These were the day's of wild... I dug it when there was so much stuff on the plate.... '94/96 too....
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Reply #74 posted 03/20/06 6:45am

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I'm glad it was shelved. Lovesexy is a much better album.

The Black Album is interesting, but ultimately I think if released it would have been his weakest album of the 80s.


With respect to your opinion...

no way!!

To me Black was the last blast from the best. And Lovesexy was like the Phantom Menace. Signs of what to expect for the next, oh...rest of his career
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Reply #78 posted 03/20/06 10:08am

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fluid said:

The Black Album has to be the weirdest shit Prince has ever come out with.
What was P thinking when he came out with this stuff? I know it was supposed to be released in 1987 but even his stuff didn't sound like this.

His stuff changed after Purple Rain. Even Lovesexy and SIgn'o The Times didn't sound like this.

There was absoloutley no writing or color on the cover. It indeed was The Black Album cause it came from the depest darkest parts of his consciouss. Good thing his musical talent didn't seem to be effected.

Hope he never tries anything likeit again.

You're entitled to your opinion. And I'm entitled to mine. For me, The Black Album will always be one of Prince's best. I LOVE it. It's like the soundtrack for a crazy soiree. This album features some of my all-time favorite P bass lines. And lyrically, it's a beautiful mess. Listening to this album makes me feel like I did when I skipped school - naughty, free, and happy.

"Bob, if you're out there"
"Let me see you dance"
"She made me glad to be a man"
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Reply #79 posted 03/20/06 10:16am

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fluid said:

Hope he never tries anything likeit again.

I always wished he would! worship
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Reply #80 posted 03/20/06 10:18am

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NouveauDance said:

<----- Username is a testament to my love for the Funk Bible. dancing jig

Mine too!!!! biggrin Where do you think I got my fabulous handle from? wink
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Reply #81 posted 03/20/06 11:47am

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Bob George is a fucking masterpiece!!!


Yes mate ..... totally agree with u A FUCKING MASTERPIECE!!
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Reply #82 posted 03/20/06 11:47am

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I agree with Moonbean. I'm also glad Black Album was tossed. If it wasen't we wouldn't have Lovesexy, which I think is a Masterpiece, and my second favorite Prince record.
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Reply #83 posted 03/20/06 11:49am

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Bob George & Le Grind r 2 of the greatest P tunes ever , cindy C & Rockhard as well as 2 in love make this a CLASSIC!!
Live4Love

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Reply #84 posted 03/20/06 11:50am

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LoveSexy and Black Album are not that different. They are exactly ying and yang.
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Reply #85 posted 03/20/06 3:05pm

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dualboot said:

LoveSexy and Black Album are not that different. They are exactly ying and yang.


But isn't the ying and yang totally different from one another? I thought thats what makes Tao so leveling.. wink


Polar forces...
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Reply #86 posted 03/20/06 3:11pm

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Sdldawn said:

dualboot said:

LoveSexy and Black Album are not that different. They are exactly ying and yang.


But isn't the ying and yang totally different from one another? I thought thats what makes Tao so leveling.. wink


Polar forces...


Or you could look at it as 'two sides of the same coin' / 'two halves that make a whole'.

Without the cancellation of TBA, there would be no Lovesexy.
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Reply #87 posted 03/20/06 3:17pm

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jtfolden said:

fluid said:

There was absoloutley no writing or color on the cover. It indeed was The Black Album cause it came from the depest darkest parts of his consciouss. Good thing his musical talent didn't seem to be effected.



Ummm, a good majority of those tracks were recorded, spur of the moment as 'party music' for --- Sheila E's birthday party, IIRC. This whole deep dark & "evil" mystique is pretty much Prince revisionist mythology in my opinion. There's really not even anything on the album that is *that* dark outside of Bob George...the rest is actually pretty light hearted and fun in comparison - Cindy C., Dead On It, SuperFunky..., Rock Hard, etc.


yep just like the Camille voice...that story has morphed into some great mystery but really camille is far less complex or mysterious than people want to believe and its partly because Prince has wanted it that way
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Reply #88 posted 03/20/06 7:09pm

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that's why he never released the black album but lovesexy instead, prince even said the ablum was crazy!
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Reply #89 posted 03/21/06 10:56am

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kinke said:

prince even said the ablum was crazy!



WOW , that's somethng I thought I'd never hear.
Working up a purple sweat.
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