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PrintableRiverpoet31 said: frowns about people talking about black and white..... i mean, this is the
Dude, I want to live on whatever planet you live on. Race does not matter to you because you are not in a position where it woud have to matter. You can't understand obviously because you have no life experience with racism but for you to just poo-poo others feelings is, in the very least, insulting. Black people are not looking for Prince to be some kind of icon for our insecurities as you put it.
21th century, i am way passed that kind of bullshit, what about you? Yay for you because you have gotten over skin color. now go into the real world and speak out on it because it's painfully obvious that a lot of people haven't. | |
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babynoz said: OskarKristio said: Good Post Man , I can only agree With U Thank you! By the way, I'm a female.  Thank You , and Your Welcome Princess  | |
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dewalliz said: Maybe your mother should participate to transform herself as a Native or a black person and she'd see how things are really are . That is the only way the dominant, the ones who acted like racism isnt a big deal, will finally wake up and realized that race does matter if they agreed to live as another race for a couple weeks. If they last that long.  Somehow I don't think most would be willing to go for it.
I agreed that it would nice to have a colorblind world, but that is just only a wished. It is getting better within the younger generation and I still considered myself to be young, so things will be even better than it is now if i live to be a very old age.
I think eventually we'll learn how to treat each other decently. Probably not in my life though, but someday. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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I think eventually we'll learn how to treat each other decently. Probably not in my life though, but someday.[/quote]
I don't know if Humans are smart enough to get to this point. | |
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To sum it up, I totally think Prince is the epidemy of a 70s black person.
He was one of the allstars of Funk-Soul. As for Prince, he's impossible to describe. He's so many people wich has others wondering is he part white,gay,on drugs,mental. He's the one that thakes the other category and makes it one of the top. Black Sweat, I don't think he's talking about blackas in the rave. But as with half of Princ's stuff we don't know what in the hell it means. Any attepmt to describe him will end if confusion. As he said in Rave UN2"When you think you see me I decintegrate.". Working up a purple sweat. | |
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To sum it up, I totally think Prince is the epidemy of a 70s black person.
He was one of the allstars of Funk-Soul. As for Prince, he's impossible to describe. He's so many people wich has others wondering is he part white,gay,on drugs,mental. He's the one that thakes the other category and makes it one of the top. Black Sweat, I don't think he's talking about blackas in the rave. But as with half of Princ's stuff we don't know what in the hell it means. Any attepmt to describe him will end if confusion. As he said in Rave UN2"When you think you see me I decintegrate.". Working up a purple sweat. | |
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As long people think there is something like black consciousness we will have:
- Oprah acting like Mother Teresa (with added bling bling in her eyes) - Comedians like Chris Rock - Pathetic gangsta-rappers - Going back to africa-losers like Arrested Development and Erykah Badu Face it: its a death path | |
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I mean, you are taken as serious as:
- The Klu Klux Klan - White neo nazi's who deny the holocaust ever happened - All the lazy, white 'archie bunkers' around the world (including George W. Bush) | |
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Riverpoet31 said: As long people think there is something like black consciousness we will have:
- Oprah acting like Mother Teresa (with added bling bling in her eyes) - Comedians like Chris Rock - Pathetic gangsta-rappers - Going back to africa-losers like Arrested Development and Erykah Badu Face it: its a death path WTF? | |
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Graycap23 said: Riverpoet31 said: As long people think there is something like black consciousness we will have:
- Oprah acting like Mother Teresa (with added bling bling in her eyes) - Comedians like Chris Rock - Pathetic gangsta-rappers - Going back to africa-losers like Arrested Development and Erykah Badu Face it: its a death path WTF?  | |
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That was on mountains! - yep and it did seem strange!
ReverendHubert said: GoldenGlove said: Chill, handcrapz like to annoy pepps. Alright, I'm chilled, and really...this wasn't meant 2 b a racial vibe. I was genuinely, really wondering. Judging from the comments received, I can see that others have also had similiar thoughts and considered the matter. I admit also, that it must be difficult having 2 consider all the vibes out in the world and having 2 satisfy so many different tastes...musically for Prince that is. Since I've also listened 2 him since before '84, I've always wondered what made him tick. In one of his videos, Rasberry Beret, there's a graffiti piece spray painted that says "Africa divided." At that time, who would have thought Prince gave a rat's ass about Africa. Peace ya'll. | |
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wow,this thread is still active? | |
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babynoz said:  It really is appalling how all of these misinterpretations could come from one simple observation by the original poster who, incidentally seems to have run for his life from this thread.
If Prince or anyone else expresses their feelings about their heritage, culture, race, etc, IT IS NOT A THREAT TO ANYONE! Black consciousness does NOT mean... 1. That you have a victim mentality 2. That you can't appreciate other cultures 3. That you can't listen to classical music, Mexican music or any other music. 4. That you must act a certain way. 5. That you are not allowed to have friends or family of a different race. 7. That you think your particular group has cornered the market on suffering and therefore you don't acknowledge the plight of other people in the world who face hardships. 8. That the only factor we use to define ourselves is our skin color. 9. That Prince will start banning all non blacks from his shows.
10. I'm just addressing some of the absurd assumptions I've read on this thread. It reminds me of people who almost had kittens over the fact that Prince became a Jehova Witness. Prince isn't quite okay with some people unless he's generic?   Co-sign!!"Bring friends, bring your children and bring foot spray 'cause it's gon' be funky." ~ Prince
A kiss on the lips, is betta than a knife in the back ~ Sheila E Darkness isn't the absence of light, it's the absence of U ~ Prince | |
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Riverpoet31 said: I mean, you are taken as serious as:
- The Klu Klux Klan - White neo nazi's who deny the holocaust ever happened - All the lazy, white 'archie bunkers' around the world (including George W. Bush) It's funny. That post right there seems like a cosmetic "cover-up" post for his one right above it: As long people think there is something like black consciousness we will have:
- Oprah acting like Mother Teresa (with added bling bling in her eyes) - Comedians like Chris Rock - Pathetic gangsta-rappers - Going back to africa-losers like Arrested Development and Erykah Badu Face it: its a death path Almost like he said "uh-oh! I better cover my ass and say something against the evil white groups beforeI look TOO obvious." Nice try, but we see right through you. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: Riverpoet31 said: I mean, you are taken as serious as:
- The Klu Klux Klan - White neo nazi's who deny the holocaust ever happened - All the lazy, white 'archie bunkers' around the world (including George W. Bush) It's funny. That post right there seems like a cosmetic "cover-up" post for his one right above it: As long people think there is something like black consciousness we will have:
- Oprah acting like Mother Teresa (with added bling bling in her eyes) - Comedians like Chris Rock - Pathetic gangsta-rappers - Going back to africa-losers like Arrested Development and Erykah Badu Face it: its a death path Almost like he said "uh-oh! I better cover my ass and say something against the evil white groups beforeI look TOO obvious." Nice try, but we see right through you. | |
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Graycap23 said: StoneCrib said: Almost like he said "uh-oh! I better cover my ass and say something against the evil white groups beforeI look TOO obvious." Nice try, but we see right through you. It just seems that every step America takes forward, it also takes one backwards and we end up at the same place. | |
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StoneCrib said: Riverpoet31 said: I mean, you are taken as serious as:
- The Klu Klux Klan - White neo nazi's who deny the holocaust ever happened - All the lazy, white 'archie bunkers' around the world (including George W. Bush) It's funny. That post right there seems like a cosmetic "cover-up" post for his one right above it: As long people think there is something like black consciousness we will have:
- Oprah acting like Mother Teresa (with added bling bling in her eyes) - Comedians like Chris Rock - Pathetic gangsta-rappers - Going back to africa-losers like Arrested Development and Erykah Badu Face it: its a death path Almost like he said "uh-oh! I better cover my ass and say something against the evil white groups beforeI look TOO obvious." Nice try, but we see right through you. Where is all the outcry from people when people of Irish descent, German descent, Japanese descent celebrate their history? | |
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The Raspberry Beret song, unlike the video, was suggested a black man (or otherwise descriminated minority) in love with a woman. African American gospel sounds and themes have appeared throught P's career. He's always featured, mixed and celebrated African American musical styles in his work. | |
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Romera said: StoneCrib said: Almost like he said "uh-oh! I better cover my ass and say something against the evil white groups beforeI look TOO obvious." Nice try, but we see right through you. Where is all the outcry from people when people of Irish descent, German descent, Japanese descent celebrate their history? Isn't it funny how no one ever asks or questions why Irish people celebrate St. Patrick's Day but people always like to ask "Why is there Black history Month?" Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: Romera said: Exactly.
Where is all the outcry from people when people of Irish descent, German descent, Japanese descent celebrate their history? Isn't it funny how no one ever asks or questions why Irish people celebrate St. Patrick's Day but people always like to ask "Why is there Black history Month?" Pretty much everyone here is from somewhere else but we get the most shit for celebrating that. | |
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Guess what...I know RevHubert. He deleted his account because of the reactions it brought on. Said he was warned by BananaCologne also.
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Romera said: StoneCrib said: Isn't it funny how no one ever asks or questions why Irish people celebrate St. Patrick's Day but people always like to ask "Why is there Black history Month?" Pretty much everyone here is from somewhere else but we get the most shit for celebrating that. Exactly. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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I hate St. Patrick's Day. Most people just use it as an excuse to get shit-faced and act like idiots. It has more to do with drinking than being Irish, imo.
Have some pride in yourselves, drunk people (Irish or not). The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp. | |
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Babynoz, may i conclude from your list that black consciousness is a 'fashion word', a hollow word trying to grab something that is non-existing, or at least, not very clear and evident in any way? | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Babynoz, may i conclude from your list that black consciousness is a 'fashion word', a hollow word trying to grab something that is non-existing, or at least, not very clear and evident in any way?
Riv, i've been sitting here for over an hour reading what i've missed for all these months i haven't checked this thread. I have some points. Don't believe everything you have read about Prince. This is a business-- a business of selling-- especially a new artist. Press people know it the best, and its what i went to school for Prince is 100% black. Face it. Many black people in the US are of mixed descent (including myself-- my mother wasn't even born in this country). This is a fact as well. It doesn't make any one them any less black. I also suggest you take a course in Black literature at a local college-- read up on what Langston Hughes and others have to say about this "black consciousness" before you say it doesn't exist. I seriously think you need to read things before alleging their non-existence, dude. Because you cant see Hydrogen and oxygen, are they abstract creations "trying to grab something that is non-existing, or at least, not very clear and evident in any way"? Think logically, think about my suggestions, then please get back to me on this. It's almost startling what i've been reading ...[Edited 3/28/06 9:39am] Dynamic Savior Said: Also, do you think that ugly people are God's cruel joke on humanity (like the platypus and the heterosexual) or another form of population control? | |
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meow85 said: ReverendHubert said: I don't hate U. I also agree totally. Now, my question is, working from what you established, do you think some Prince fans might feel excluded by this Blackness, or is Prince more real to them; or do ya'll think that most reacting 2 this would say "f*#@ the consciousness" and drop mo' songs like Jack U Off, Gett Off, Head, etc? Humbily, Reverend Hubert Speaking as a non-black person with barely any real-life contact or experience with black people (the Org ? It's pretty far removed from the real world.  )
I'm really not sure what to think. It's great that he's showing more pride than he used to, but the labelling he's made a point of in recent years seems a bit, I dunno. I won't say necessarily exclusionary, but it's interesting. I mean, I'm not sure I understand why now, after decades of an all-inclusionary Uptown vibe, he'd make a point of highlighting his race and sexuality. He is what he is obviously, but I kinda liked it better when it was a non-issue. I don't care what colour you are, Prince. If it made a difference to me, I wouldn't be a fan in the first place.  ditto that | |
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Just wonders why people put so much energy in emphasizing skin colour or ethnicity, and i wonder if its fruitfull to do so.
Of course i am chargating in my reactions, being over the top, but thats just a way to open up a discussion in my opinion. In my communication about subjects like this i not necessarily express my personal views. What i find more important is that people think about why they are saying what they are saying. Most of my remarks on this thread are purposely ironic and / or sarcastic, because i really think that what keeps people apart is them putting emphasis on their differences, and not their similarities. And i really question when people say Prince is 100 % black: so? what is black? does that mean he is 'just like you'?, representing some movement? do you want him to represent your sorrows about the discrimination your faced with? To conclude: i personally think the tendency of people to think in 'squares', dualities (black - white) just isnt fruitfull. We live in a time when there are virtually no 'pure' whites, blacks, asians, whatever, a time of crosscultural influences.... I might sound naive, but looking back doesnt help a thing, we live in a multicultural, multiglobal society, and i really think we should judge people on bad behaviour (crime, sexual offences) and good behaviour (global concern, kindness).. Of course this sounds simple, but the reality is we dont live in a black - white society anymore but in a multicoloured one, thats a fact... | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Babynoz, may i conclude from your list that black consciousness is a 'fashion word', a hollow word trying to grab something that is non-existing, or at least, not very clear and evident in any way?
You may conclude whatever you like. But until you learn the quality of empathy and develop the ability to get attention without resorting to baiting, I would prefer it if you didn't address me at all. Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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Riverpoet31 said: Just wonders why people put so much energy in emphasizing skin colour or ethnicity, and i wonder if its fruitfull to do so.
Of course i am chargating in my reactions, being over the top, but thats just a way to open up a discussion in my opinion. In my communication about subjects like this i not necessarily express my personal views. What i find more important is that people think about why they are saying what they are saying. Most of my remarks on this thread are purposely ironic and / or sarcastic, because i really think that what keeps people apart is them putting emphasis on their differences, and not their similarities. And i really question when people say Prince is 100 % black: so? what is black? does that mean he is 'just like you'?, representing some movement? Yes. do you want him to represent your sorrows about the discrimination your faced with? Yes. To conclude: i personally think the tendency of people to think in 'squares', dualities (black - white) just isnt fruitfull. We live in a time when there are virtually no 'pure' whites, blacks, asians, whatever, a time of crosscultural influences.... I might sound naive, but looking back doesnt help a thing, we live in a multicultural, multiglobal society, and i really think we should judge people on bad behaviour (crime, sexual offences)  and good behaviour (global concern, kindness).. Of course this sounds simple, but the reality is we dont live in a black - white society anymore but in a multicoloured one, thats a fact...Um.. no doubt society is multicolored. Only place u see black/white/latino/other checkboxes are on government forms. Just because differences are indulged isn't a bad thing. Similarities are indulged at times, but remembering certain struggles that have been overcome is just as important as embracing the fact that times are changing. And just because some people have open minds-- doesn't mean that all people do. Just ask my interracially-married family members and their kids....I've seen it first hand. Dynamic Savior Said: Also, do you think that ugly people are God's cruel joke on humanity (like the platypus and the heterosexual) or another form of population control? | |
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Its easy: when i start a thread about white consciousness in here, people will probably label me a racist....
Think about that | |
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