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Reply #30 posted 02/25/06 2:24pm

Tom

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"There's Others Here With Us" gets on my nerves. That was one track I would always skip past when listening to my Jewel Box set.

"All My Dreams" on the other hand, I LOVE. Maybe it's just the pace of the song, and the psychedelic feeling it gives off. I just get the feeling they all ate a big bag of shrooms then went into the studio together.
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Reply #31 posted 02/25/06 4:04pm

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Grand Progression. Maybe with fuller production, but as is, it just craaaaawls.

Moonbeam Levels is just alright.

I love All My Dreams, though I didn't at first.
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Reply #32 posted 02/25/06 4:26pm

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Wonderful Ass is, well, wonderful!

Never heard Splash....
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Reply #33 posted 02/25/06 5:27pm

Byron

KingSausage said:

Wonderful Ass is, well, wonderful!

Never heard Splash....

You're not missing much...I wasn't one of the ones who thought "Splash" was really anything worth praising. Then again, it has that "Wendy & Lisa" feel to it, so you may love it.
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Reply #34 posted 02/25/06 5:28pm

Byron

Oh, another...."Return Of The Bump Squad". The studio version, that is...Prince's live version is great. But the studio version?? disbelief
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Reply #35 posted 02/25/06 5:48pm

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Byron said:

Oh, another...."Return Of The Bump Squad". The studio version, that is...Prince's live version is great. But the studio version?? disbelief


Is that a bootleg? eek eek eek
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Reply #36 posted 02/25/06 5:49pm

Byron

EmancipationLover said:

Byron said:

Oh, another...."Return Of The Bump Squad". The studio version, that is...Prince's live version is great. But the studio version?? disbelief


Is that a bootleg? eek eek eek

Well, it was at the time I heard it...lol
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Reply #37 posted 02/25/06 6:01pm

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Add me up to the list of people who think Extraloveable doesn't live up to the hype. I'm also not so big on Rebirth of the Flesh.

I think songs like All My Dreams and Witness 4 the Prosecution are averything they were said to be and that Wonderful Ass is the most subtly hypnotic song Prince has ever written.
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Reply #38 posted 02/25/06 6:05pm

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Byron said:

Oh, another...."Return Of The Bump Squad". The studio version, that is...Prince's live version is great. But the studio version?? disbelief



fishslap


WHAT??? that song is cool.... I listened to it like 10 times in a row back int he day...

the looped guitar lick that screams... the hilarious "bow down mothafucka"
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Reply #39 posted 02/25/06 7:45pm

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Aerogram said:

Add me up to the list of people who think Extraloveable doesn't live up to the hype. I'm also not so big on Rebirth of the Flesh.

I think songs like All My Dreams and Witness 4 the Prosecution are averything they were said to be and that Wonderful Ass is the most subtly hypnotic song Prince has ever written.
[Edited 2/25/06 10:01am]



I AGREE 110%! Rebirth is pedestrian....
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Reply #40 posted 02/25/06 7:54pm

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KingSausage said:

I've always LOVED "All My Dreams." I know it's stupid, but it's just so damn Revolution. Prince meets the Beatles. Or something. I can go without painting the train, but the rest rocks. Love the ending...

You disgust me... disbelief



I 100% dig "all my dreams"...I know where he got the influence from to write that type of verse melody....Its funny to hear him respecting the melodic flavor of a friend of mine...
He also offered it to this friend along with another track which my friend did release...I DIG IT !!
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Reply #41 posted 02/25/06 8:49pm

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KingSausage said:

Byron said:


In both you AND your wife... disbelief



Hey, I don't think she likes it! lol (or any Prince, for that matter, aside from SOTT and an occasional track here and there)


Come on, you've gotta at least admit that All My Dreams is better than much, much of the plastic pap he produced during the 1999-2000 era..."My Medallion," "Rope of Silicon," etc. At least it was creative!


Though I didn't care for My Medallion, I dug and still like "Rope of Silicon".
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Reply #42 posted 02/25/06 8:54pm

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Byron said:

You know how it goes...you keep hearing fan after fan rave over some unheard bootleg of Prince's, how it's a travesty that it was never released...how it's on par with his best released shtuff...and your mind and imagination goes wild thinking about how great a song it must be. You invest way too many hours and way too much energy trying to hunt down a bootlegged copy somewhere...all the file sharing programs seem to come up empty, and the closest you get to aquiring a copy is talking in orgnotes to someone who's cousin once played it for them back in '94.

Then suddenly...eureka!! You find a copy of the song on the internet!! Praise be, the holy grail of bootlegged songs is now at your fingertips! Hidden brilliance by your favorite artists is about to soak your eardrums and send you into blissful ecstacy. You double-click on the mp3, your RealPlayer starts up, you hear the first notes come from your speakers...and then...

You sit there...blinking...Is that it??

The song ends, and you quickly play it again...because the song you just listened to was beyond ordinary...it can't be the "unreleased brilliance" you've heard about for months...no, years. It can't be the "travesty" that everyone laments is sitting tucked away in Prince's vault. It just can't be...

But upon second listen...it is. This bland, ordinary, "Eh"-worthy song is what you've been seeking out for the last 5 years??...This is what everyone thinks is better than anything he's put out since 1991??

hmm

So, name the bootlegged song that didn't EVEN come close to living up to the hype once you heard it...lol lol...For me, I can't list "All My Dreams" since I heard it well before I ever heard everyone gushing over it...but when I saw everyone praising it to the hilt on this site, I had to go back and make sure the bland song with the cheesy, nasely vocals was the same song everyone else seemed to be orgasming over. I swear, everytime I heard the pretentiousness in Wendy's voice saying "Lisa, I'm gonna give U the brush and U're gonna paint the side of the train", I wanted to throw something at my speakers. ill

Anyway..lol...mine would be "Others Here With Us"...I heard SOOO much about this song, how it's so haunting, how it actually "scared" some people to listen to... eek...When I finally heard it, I just went "Eh", and haven't played it again since..lol. I just dunt get the fascination with it. neutral

So what bootlegged song have you heard that fits this description??...
(and yes, Deja, this is me signing my death warrant..heh)


It took me a while to like "All My Dreams". I just appreciated how well placed the bass line is with that song. It was one of those moments where I wasn't really trippin over it before, then I happened to be chillin at the beach, and it just sort of stood out to me.

There are several boots that I don't care for, but no one has built them up for me to the point of disappointment. As far as the older boots are concerned, I've had most of them since the mid-nineties.

A lot of these have to be put in the proper perspective. Would the song have worked at the time it was created? Its different if you happen to hear some of these songs years after it was made.
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Reply #43 posted 02/25/06 8:55pm

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Byron said:

KingSausage said:




I've always thought Empty Room was overrated, too.

Almost agree with you... nod. Almost. lol


There is a really dope version of Empty Room. The version on the vault pales in comparison.
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Reply #44 posted 02/25/06 8:56pm

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I could give or take "Witness 4 the Prosecution" and "Wonderful Ass" too...[/quote]

I think I'm having a coronary!
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Reply #45 posted 02/25/06 8:57pm

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I do think the following are decent, but overrated

All My Dreams- that nasal delivery gets on my nerves!
Rebirth of the Flesh- pleasant enough
In a Large Room with No Light- it just sounds disorganized

I will put my foot down though and say that I feel his 82 output is without peer!
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
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Reply #46 posted 02/25/06 9:00pm

Byron

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Aerogram said:

Add me up to the list of people who think Extraloveable doesn't live up to the hype. I'm also not so big on Rebirth of the Flesh.

I think songs like All My Dreams and Witness 4 the Prosecution are averything they were said to be and that Wonderful Ass is the most subtly hypnotic song Prince has ever written.
[Edited 2/25/06 10:01am]



I AGREE 110%! Rebirth is pedestrian....

Shit, that's what I meant...Rebirth of the Flesh, not Return of the Bump Squad...lol lol (altho I don't like Bump Squad's studio version, either)
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Reply #47 posted 02/25/06 9:02pm

Byron

"a submariiine...conquers a virgin seeeaaa...
A child is born, a child is born...will you maaaaarrrry meeeee..."
..zzz
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Reply #48 posted 02/25/06 9:06pm

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Byron said:

"a submariiine...conquers a virgin seeeaaa...
A child is born, a child is born...will you maaaaarrrry meeeee..."
..zzz



That is a pretty stupid line. Granted, Prince has never been a truly great lyricist..though he does have his better moments. However, I think the line and imagery makes perfect sense AND stands well in terms of artistic achievement when viewed along the lines of "Octopus's Garden" (sp?) or "Yellow Submarine." Prince was introduced to a lot of classic Beatles around this time, and I think that it really shows. As do the entire albums ATWIAD and Parade. As much as I admire the Beatles, I think Prince could've smoked them if he kept on that path...the sort of psychedlic pop-rock thing. But, luckily for us all, he shifts gears so frequently. And we weren't subjected to any "Her Satanic Majesties Request" nonsense (sorry, Mick!) from Prince.
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Reply #49 posted 02/25/06 9:09pm

Byron

KingSausage said:

Byron said:

"a submariiine...conquers a virgin seeeaaa...
A child is born, a child is born...will you maaaaarrrry meeeee..."
..zzz



That is a pretty stupid line. Granted, Prince has never been a truly great lyricist..though he does have his better moments. However, I think the line and imagery makes perfect sense AND stands well in terms of artistic achievement when viewed along the lines of "Octopus's Garden" (sp?) or "Yellow Submarine." Prince was introduced to a lot of classic Beatles around this time, and I think that it really shows. As do the entire albums ATWIAD and Parade. As much as I admire the Beatles, I think Prince could've smoked them if he kept on that path...the sort of psychedlic pop-rock thing. But, luckily for us all, he shifts gears so frequently. And we weren't subjected to any "Her Satanic Majesties Request" nonsense (sorry, Mick!) from Prince.

I will say this much (and it's proberly not much..lol)...most of the lyrics basically fit the "vibe" of the song rather well, with the two lines of lyrics I've posted above being the exception (especially the giving-Lisa-the-brush link by Wendy...holy bat turds). Had Prince knocked off the nasaly twang in his voice I may personally be able to "get" what everyone else loves about the song, I dunno...lol...but that's one huge barrier, if so.
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Reply #50 posted 02/25/06 9:27pm

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Byron said:

KingSausage said:




That is a pretty stupid line. Granted, Prince has never been a truly great lyricist..though he does have his better moments. However, I think the line and imagery makes perfect sense AND stands well in terms of artistic achievement when viewed along the lines of "Octopus's Garden" (sp?) or "Yellow Submarine." Prince was introduced to a lot of classic Beatles around this time, and I think that it really shows. As do the entire albums ATWIAD and Parade. As much as I admire the Beatles, I think Prince could've smoked them if he kept on that path...the sort of psychedlic pop-rock thing. But, luckily for us all, he shifts gears so frequently. And we weren't subjected to any "Her Satanic Majesties Request" nonsense (sorry, Mick!) from Prince.

I will say this much (and it's proberly not much..lol)...most of the lyrics basically fit the "vibe" of the song rather well, with the two lines of lyrics I've posted above being the exception (especially the giving-Lisa-the-brush link by Wendy...holy bat turds). Had Prince knocked off the nasaly twang in his voice I may personally be able to "get" what everyone else loves about the song, I dunno...lol...but that's one huge barrier, if so.


People either love or hate All My Dreams because it is such a giddy, hopeful song of epic proportions. Even the two lines you quote fit nicely in the whole delirium. It's this propulsive funky beatlesque number that cheerfully takes you for a wild sonic ride.
[Edited 2/25/06 13:28pm]
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Reply #51 posted 02/25/06 9:33pm

Byron

Aerogram said:

Byron said:


I will say this much (and it's proberly not much..lol)...most of the lyrics basically fit the "vibe" of the song rather well, with the two lines of lyrics I've posted above being the exception (especially the giving-Lisa-the-brush link by Wendy...holy bat turds). Had Prince knocked off the nasaly twang in his voice I may personally be able to "get" what everyone else loves about the song, I dunno...lol...but that's one huge barrier, if so.


People either love or hate All My Dreams because it is such a giddy, hopeful song of epic proportions. Even the two lines you quote fit nicely in the whole delirium. It's this propulsive funky beatlesque number that cheerfully takes you for a wild sonic ride.
[Edited 2/25/06 13:28pm]

For me, it has nothing to do with being giddy or hopeful...hell, I actually feel like it brings me down because it's so dull in vocal delivery and musicianship...lol...and 90% of the lyrics is a slow discussion of seemingly every thrust in and out of a woman's body during lovemaking, complete with tight holding, tears of joy and connection.
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Reply #52 posted 02/25/06 9:43pm

Aerogram

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dealodelandron said:

Byron said:

You know how it goes...you keep hearing fan after fan rave over some unheard bootleg of Prince's, how it's a travesty that it was never released...how it's on par with his best released shtuff...and your mind and imagination goes wild thinking about how great a song it must be. You invest way too many hours and way too much energy trying to hunt down a bootlegged copy somewhere...all the file sharing programs seem to come up empty, and the closest you get to aquiring a copy is talking in orgnotes to someone who's cousin once played it for them back in '94.

Then suddenly...eureka!! You find a copy of the song on the internet!! Praise be, the holy grail of bootlegged songs is now at your fingertips! Hidden brilliance by your favorite artists is about to soak your eardrums and send you into blissful ecstacy. You double-click on the mp3, your RealPlayer starts up, you hear the first notes come from your speakers...and then...

You sit there...blinking...Is that it??

The song ends, and you quickly play it again...because the song you just listened to was beyond ordinary...it can't be the "unreleased brilliance" you've heard about for months...no, years. It can't be the "travesty" that everyone laments is sitting tucked away in Prince's vault. It just can't be...

But upon second listen...it is. This bland, ordinary, "Eh"-worthy song is what you've been seeking out for the last 5 years??...This is what everyone thinks is better than anything he's put out since 1991??

hmm

So, name the bootlegged song that didn't EVEN come close to living up to the hype once you heard it...lol lol...For me, I can't list "All My Dreams" since I heard it well before I ever heard everyone gushing over it...but when I saw everyone praising it to the hilt on this site, I had to go back and make sure the bland song with the cheesy, nasely vocals was the same song everyone else seemed to be orgasming over. I swear, everytime I heard the pretentiousness in Wendy's voice saying "Lisa, I'm gonna give U the brush and U're gonna paint the side of the train", I wanted to throw something at my speakers. ill

Anyway..lol...mine would be "Others Here With Us"...I heard SOOO much about this song, how it's so haunting, how it actually "scared" some people to listen to... eek...When I finally heard it, I just went "Eh", and haven't played it again since..lol. I just dunt get the fascination with it. neutral

So what bootlegged song have you heard that fits this description??...
(and yes, Deja, this is me signing my death warrant..heh)


It took me a while to like "All My Dreams". I just appreciated how well placed the bass line is with that song. It was one of those moments where I wasn't really trippin over it before, then I happened to be chillin at the beach, and it just sort of stood out to me.

There are several boots that I don't care for, but no one has built them up for me to the point of disappointment. As far as the older boots are concerned, I've had most of them since the mid-nineties.

A lot of these have to be put in the proper perspective. Would the song have worked at the time it was created? Its different if you happen to hear some of these songs years after it was made.
[Edited 2/25/06 12:58pm]


You have also have to take into consideration sound quality. Some of the famous outtakes are pretty bad -- my versions of Extralovable sounds crappy to me so maybe that's why I don't think it's such a great song. On the other hand, I love Big Tall Wall and my version is of very poor quality.
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Reply #53 posted 02/25/06 9:59pm

Byron

Aerogram said:

dealodelandron said:



It took me a while to like "All My Dreams". I just appreciated how well placed the bass line is with that song. It was one of those moments where I wasn't really trippin over it before, then I happened to be chillin at the beach, and it just sort of stood out to me.

There are several boots that I don't care for, but no one has built them up for me to the point of disappointment. As far as the older boots are concerned, I've had most of them since the mid-nineties.

A lot of these have to be put in the proper perspective. Would the song have worked at the time it was created? Its different if you happen to hear some of these songs years after it was made.
[Edited 2/25/06 12:58pm]


You have also have to take into consideration sound quality. Some of the famous outtakes are pretty bad -- my versions of Extralovable sounds crappy to me so maybe that's why I don't think it's such a great song. On the other hand, I love Big Tall Wall and my version is of very poor quality.

Could be, yeah...first time I heard "All My Dreams" it was tacked onto the end of a bootleg CD copy of the Black Album. It sounded ok, quality-wise, I guess...but I've not heard any other versions to compare it to.
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Reply #54 posted 02/25/06 10:33pm

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Byron said:

Aerogram said:



People either love or hate All My Dreams because it is such a giddy, hopeful song of epic proportions. Even the two lines you quote fit nicely in the whole delirium. It's this propulsive funky beatlesque number that cheerfully takes you for a wild sonic ride.
[Edited 2/25/06 13:28pm]

For me, it has nothing to do with being giddy or hopeful...hell, I actually feel like it brings me down because it's so dull in vocal delivery and musicianship...lol...and 90% of the lyrics is a slow discussion of seemingly every thrust in and out of a woman's body during lovemaking, complete with tight holding, tears of joy and connection.


I feel it's all expertly calibrated from the beginning to end -- Bob George is the same type of song, only in a different mood. It's long form, cinematic soundscape.

Oh well, you can always use it as a sleep aid. Your own musical Lunesta.
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Reply #55 posted 02/26/06 12:35am

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I think a lot of the hype over unreleased songs is just because they're unreleased. Especially back when we just traded hissy tapes around, it was like "wow, can you imagine if this was on a CD???" I think now with hundreds of outtakes available for download in literally minutes, all you have is the song, instead of the experience.

Anyways - here's mine that did/do not live up to the hype:
Turn It Up
Something This House Funky Comes (Such a cool title, wasted)
Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me
Love Thy Will Be Done (SO much better when Prince sang it live with the NPG, although the Sonny T version eats ass)
Get Blue
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Reply #56 posted 02/26/06 3:08am

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billymeade said:

I think a lot of the hype over unreleased songs is just because they're unreleased. Especially back when we just traded hissy tapes around, it was like "wow, can you imagine if this was on a CD???" I think now with hundreds of outtakes available for download in literally minutes, all you have is the song, instead of the experience.

Anyways - here's mine that did/do not live up to the hype:
Turn It Up
Something This House Funky Comes (Such a cool title, wasted)
Wouldn't U Love 2 Love Me
Love Thy Will Be Done (SO much better when Prince sang it live with the NPG, although the Sonny T version eats ass)
Get Blue


Certainly not in bootleg quality, but I always felt "wouldn't u love 2 love me" (bass line is sick), and "get blue" (piano is beautiful) were very inspired performances. his vocals on both are very well done.
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Reply #57 posted 02/26/06 4:04am

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Byron said:

Aerogram said:



People either love or hate All My Dreams because it is such a giddy, hopeful song of epic proportions. Even the two lines you quote fit nicely in the whole delirium. It's this propulsive funky beatlesque number that cheerfully takes you for a wild sonic ride.
[Edited 2/25/06 13:28pm]

For me, it has nothing to do with being giddy or hopeful...hell, I actually feel like it brings me down because it's so dull in vocal delivery and musicianship...lol...and 90% of the lyrics is a slow discussion of seemingly every thrust in and out of a woman's body during lovemaking, complete with tight holding, tears of joy and connection.



I've always like All My Dreams because it fits with the weird goofiness that Prince tried to create in Under the Cherry Moon. I can totally picture the song in that movie...


Can we all agree that Wonderful Ass is great? I'll also take a side order of G-Spot while I'm at it...
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Reply #58 posted 02/26/06 4:09am

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Byron said:

You know how it goes...you keep hearing fan after fan rave over some unheard bootleg of Prince's, how it's a travesty that it was never released...how it's on par with his best released shtuff...and your mind and imagination goes wild thinking about how great a song it must be. You invest way too many hours and way too much energy trying to hunt down a bootlegged copy somewhere...all the file sharing programs seem to come up empty, and the closest you get to aquiring a copy is talking in orgnotes to someone who's cousin once played it for them back in '94.

Then suddenly...eureka!! You find a copy of the song on the internet!! Praise be, the holy grail of bootlegged songs is now at your fingertips! Hidden brilliance by your favorite artists is about to soak your eardrums and send you into blissful ecstacy. You double-click on the mp3, your RealPlayer starts up, you hear the first notes come from your speakers...and then...

You sit there...blinking...Is that it??

The song ends, and you quickly play it again...because the song you just listened to was beyond ordinary...it can't be the "unreleased brilliance" you've heard about for months...no, years. It can't be the "travesty" that everyone laments is sitting tucked away in Prince's vault. It just can't be...

But upon second listen...it is. This bland, ordinary, "Eh"-worthy song is what you've been seeking out for the last 5 years??...This is what everyone thinks is better than anything he's put out since 1991??

hmm

So, name the bootlegged song that didn't EVEN come close to living up to the hype once you heard it...lol lol...For me, I can't list "All My Dreams" since I heard it well before I ever heard everyone gushing over it...but when I saw everyone praising it to the hilt on this site, I had to go back and make sure the bland song with the cheesy, nasely vocals was the same song everyone else seemed to be orgasming over. I swear, everytime I heard the pretentiousness in Wendy's voice saying "Lisa, I'm gonna give U the brush and U're gonna paint the side of the train", I wanted to throw something at my speakers. ill

Anyway..lol...mine would be "Others Here With Us"...I heard SOOO much about this song, how it's so haunting, how it actually "scared" some people to listen to... eek...When I finally heard it, I just went "Eh", and haven't played it again since..lol. I just dunt get the fascination with it. neutral

So what bootlegged song have you heard that fits this description??...
(and yes, Deja, this is me signing my death warrant..heh)




Wonderful Ass
All My Dreams
There Is Lonely
Schoolyard
Grand Progession
A Place In Heaven
Big Tall Wall
Train
Dance With The Devil

....just to name a few




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Reply #59 posted 02/26/06 4:58am

Byron

KingSausage said:


Can we all agree that Wonderful Ass is great? I'll also take a side order of G-Spot while I'm at it...

Almost all of use..lol (see above)...That song is one of my definite favorite bootlegs. nod

You guys have me thinking I need to listen to "All My Dreams" again... confused
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