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Reply #60 posted 07/06/02 7:15pm

lovebird

I used to watch PR over and over until I got UTCM, this is my favorite Prince movie.I haven't watched it in a while, Prine is really cute in it and the Mountains video at the end is Priceless.

GB isnot that good a movie the lady that plays the lead role is awful, but Prince looks nice in it and the music is good.
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Reply #61 posted 07/06/02 7:19pm

NikkiDarling

The problem with UTCM is that the Christopher Tracy character was not as appealing as the character of the The Kid. The moviegoers who expected to see The Kid instead got a goofy character who spends half the movie mugging, preening, and posing.

There was also the homoeroticism between Prince and Jerome that didn't go over very well. The bathtub with the rose petals scene, and some of the dialog where Jerome refers to Prince as "girl."

GB worked as an extended music video. Prince looked great in GB. But the storyline, the set, the characters, and just about everything about the movie just wasn't appealing. The casting of Ingrid Chavez in such an important role in the film was questionable. The audience was asked to believe that Ingrid was "three fine." Ingrid spoke her lines in a monotone and Prince's character had a sad "poor pitiful little me" personality. The musical numbers work, but as soon as the dramatic dialog startw, the movie loses it energy.

I would like to see Prince in another film, but not as the star. A small role in a dramatic film would work fine.
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Reply #62 posted 07/06/02 7:38pm

MusicAngel

Well, I will admit that both of these movies are pretty lame, but there is one scene in GB that will always have meaning for me. It's the scene where he's talking about just having someone give him a green light, just let him know it's OK to keep going, and he paints a green line on the wall, then he says, that it's hard to see green, when there's just so much blue, and he paints a blue line over the green, and the green completely disappears under the blue... That scene just had a lot of meaning for me at the time.
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Reply #63 posted 07/06/02 7:52pm

Starmist7

MusicAngel said:

Well, I will admit that both of these movies are pretty lame, but there is one scene in GB that will always have meaning for me. It's the scene where he's talking about just having someone give him a green light, just let him know it's OK to keep going, and he paints a green line on the wall, then he says, that it's hard to see green, when there's just so much blue, and he paints a blue line over the green, and the green completely disappears under the blue... That scene just had a lot of meaning for me at the time.


What about now? It's meaningful already.
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Reply #64 posted 07/06/02 7:59pm

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oh no you don't have shuggie otis as your avatar!!



ButterscotchPimp said:

You're half right.

I liked Under the Cherry Moon. Yeah, it wasn't going to win any Academy Awards (although it should have been nominated for soundtrack) but the movie wasn't bad.


Grafitti Bridge was HORRIBLE. Prince run amok. The sets were cheap. The story was childish. Who in their right mind would believe Morris Day as some pseudo-gangster? The Time as a bunch of thugs? Ugh. Prince's attempt to continue the story told in Purple Rain was abyssmal. And then he let his ego ruin the songs used in the film. There were songs on "Pandemonium" that would have been awesome in the film. Pandemonium, Chocolate, Blondie would have worked in the context of the film. But what does he have the Time use for their battle song? Shake??? I wanted to shoot him myself.
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Reply #65 posted 07/06/02 8:14pm

JLo

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Both movies were directed by Prince because he wanted creative contol. It was a risk that didn't make a profit for Warner Bros.

Prince has great screen presence & hopefully if another film opportunity comes, he can trust the talent in the producers and director and focus on acting and hopefully music.
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Reply #66 posted 07/06/02 8:28pm

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I have 2 say i enjoy Under the cherry moon ... it holds some emotional ties 2 prince and the time period ... and the script is tongue n cheek which surprised me ... there4 i think its a pearl 2 the average love story smile But graffiti bridge ... hmm nothing really reached out 2 me in that film ... except the normal deepness of Prince ... c sometimes when u try 2 make 1000 messages they get intertwined and they r not always easy 2 figure lol ... he was running 2 fast, shooting out 2 many parables and sometimes my mind couldnt catch up ... remember i said sometimes smile hehe I suppose its a metaphoric classic though ... but i’d be lying if i said it didnt freak me out on those ‘distance in the mind’ days aka thinking sux days lol
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Reply #67 posted 07/06/02 9:19pm

Aannastesia

I sooo heart Under the Cherry Moon!!
It so demonstrates Princes wonderful
sense of humor... Cute and Playful!!!

As for GB, I agree that it is not his
best but to me it is deep, introspective,
and paints another side of Prince that is
also beautiful.

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Reply #68 posted 07/07/02 2:10am

jessyMD32781

UTCM was good but it annoyed me how Mary Sharon's eyes were always bugged out. Did anyone else notice that? Whenever she expressed any emotion she would open her eyes as wide as they would go. Like this: eek all the damn time.
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Reply #69 posted 07/07/02 3:04am

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Grafitti Bridge is not a great movie, but it has it's moments.Morris and Jerome R fun 2 watch, they make the movie 4 me.I have it on tape and I know I'll probably watch it again just 4 fun.I haven't seen UTCM yet, but I bet it's cool 2 watch.Yet those movies can't compare 2 Purple Rain.
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Reply #70 posted 07/07/02 4:30am

lovesexy4u

under the cherry moon is very funny.it shows prince as a great comedian.and great music.
graffitti bridge is very weak.it has some good moments and again the music is great.
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Reply #71 posted 07/07/02 5:42am

BLACKMF

lovesexy4u said:

under the cherry moon is very funny.it shows prince as a great comedian.and great music.
graffitti bridge is very weak.it has some good moments and again the music is great.



Many fans, like the one that wrote the above, did not appreciate the fact that GB was a fantasy film in a lt of ways. It was shot on a soundstage almost entirely indoors and the sets were more like those used for a high production stage play than a full blown movie. If you try to take it to seriously as a "film" then you do miss it to some extent. The visual textures and colors made each scene a feast for the eyes and ears. Was the acting Oscar caliber? no. Was the writing the best? no. But the music and the on screen charisma of Prince and Morris Day bring some value as they did in Purple Rain. It s not a traditional commercial movie that was made for easy cunsumption by the lowest common denominator as most Hollywood film are.
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Reply #72 posted 07/07/02 5:52am

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Reply #73 posted 07/07/02 9:44am

poplyfe

I loved Under the Cherry Moon. I can realy see the humor in it all and the pasion it takes to be who he is and to stand up for what ails ya. As for Graffiti Bridge it was a play on what happened to the kid later on and how his fathers death affected his whole life and being. Sure it could have been done better but I enjoyed it.


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Reply #74 posted 07/07/02 9:57am

Harlepolis

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Harlepolis -

I'm sorry! What I meant is that they'll probably never be released on DVD.

You ordered the VHS from CDNow? Are you sure you didn't order the soundtracks?


Do you mean that they were actually released as DVDs and they'll neva be released again???sad

Will I told my friend to buy this list 4 me from CDNOW(Actually it'd be the 1st thang I buy from the net):

UTCM-VHS
GB-VHS
The hits-DVD
Rave un2 the joy fantastic-DVD

I have Parade's LP but I don't have the GB one,,,well not yet!!!
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Reply #75 posted 07/07/02 9:59am

starboy126

Same thing happened with Wizard of Oz, but on a much bigger scale, with theatrical releases...

"It's funny you mention Willy Wonka. A couple of years ago I just found out that there is a candy bar on the market called a Wonka Xploder. Since I'm not a big chocolate eater or much of a candy fanatic like I was when I was a kid I had no idea that anything with the Wonka moniker was on the candy market. I bought one for the second time a couple of days ago. Had it not had the Wonka name attached I would never have even been interested.

In actuality the movie never became a big hit when it was at theaters. It was only when the tv networks started to show it that it became popular."
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Reply #76 posted 07/07/02 9:59am

SkletonKee

BLACKMF said:

It s not a traditional commercial movie that was made for easy cunsumption by the lowest common denominator as most Hollywood film are.



uhhh...neither was Mulholand Dr. In The Bedroom, Monster's Ball or any other indie film for that matter, yet these films are good...GB isnt.

Graffiti Bridge wasnt made for consumption by anyone but Prince...and his ego...
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Reply #77 posted 07/07/02 10:08am

Tom

Under The Cherry Moon is a blast. I love that movie. Makes me feel good. It's fun and playful. Show's a whole different side of Prince. People who aren't fanatics may not have the patience or interest to watch the whole thing. But for those who dig Prince, it's amusing as hell.

Graffiti Bridge is a horrendous modge-podge of Prince-isms tied together with a weak story line, bad acting, and hokey "drama". You know a movie is bad when you find yourself cringing during certain scenes.
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Reply #78 posted 07/07/02 10:09am

starboy126

Why is Graffiti Bridge so bad?

Because Prince chickened out under pressure of the studio.

this movie was supposed to be like 60's Hollywood musical (think West Side Story), so the sets and the performances are supposed to be fantasy, not reality.

How do I know this? Because I have seen some of the outtakes, like the actual performance of "I can't stop this feeling" and "The Latest fashion", and they are full blown musical numbers where characters are walking through he set singing and dancing (without a band).

someone decided that this wouldn't be cool, and they cut away at the movie trying to make it more like Purple Rain (a supposedly "real" environment with performing bands).

what you have left is half assed. (Even though the musical wouldn't have hit, it would have been much better)

PS the guy who photographed Graffiti Bridge is the guy who shot Jaws.
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Reply #79 posted 07/07/02 10:11am

Liquid

High,

Eye dig Under the Charrymoon very much!!!

Liquid
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Reply #80 posted 07/07/02 11:06am

PurplePartyman

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Under The Cherry Moon is actually a fave of mine, alot due to just the fact there is no other album ever that sounds quite like it. Its like the 30s meets wierd 80s funk. very cool. It gets played in my car way too much smile smile

Grafitti Bridge, I dunno. This is the gap where I became less interested in Prince. Around this time I first got into rap and with all the Chuck D, Krs Ones out there making such new excitibg stuff I just couldnt get into something like Theives In The Temple which I thought was kinda bland. It was the only Prince cd I didnt get as soon as it came out. Then all the guest apperances, it seemed more like a soundtrack than a prince album. Later I would hear it and love "Cant Stop" and "NPG", but i lost interest after this one til the symbol album.
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Reply #81 posted 07/07/02 11:44am

Harlepolis

Well, have ya'll read his Rollingstones 85 interview??? I think it kindda solved the complicated thing in GB.

Here is the link:

http://princetext.tripod....one85.html

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Reply #82 posted 07/07/02 11:52am

TheMax

The film Under the Cherry Moon was horrible. For the best review of everything that went wrong with the film, see DMSR Chapter 10. For me, the film lacks style and cohesion. The black and white might have worked with a different director, but it looks contrived and out of place in Prince's hands. Scenes are awkward. The movie feels amateurish, and not in a "good" way as is sometimes the peculiar style of some quasi-documentaries or independent films.

What the film desperately needed was great direction. Prince wanted Scorsese to direct the film, but he apparently declined. As far as I'm concerned, Prince should have hired a true film director rather than trying to pull the whole thing off himself. According to DMSR, Prince was involved in many other projects at the same time, and it clearly shows.

The film was a disaster, and Prince was very aware of that fact. According to DMSR, "Prince realized halfway through the production that the film wasn't going to come out as he had conceived, 'It became damage control.'" In another passage, Prince is described as "lying on the floor, face down, all night, repeating over and over that he hated the movie."

Well, I don't blame him for feeling this way about UTCM. I can love Prince as a musician and songwriter (maybe even actor), but he isn't a great film director.
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Reply #83 posted 07/07/02 12:35pm

Paisley

jessyMD32781 said:

UTCM was good but it annoyed me how Mary Sharon's eyes were always bugged out. Did anyone else notice that? Whenever she expressed any emotion she would open her eyes as wide as they would go. Like this: eek all the damn time.

Yeah eye also noticed her eyes, the girl was a little strange!
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Reply #84 posted 07/07/02 2:39pm

Aaron

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IstenSzek said:

I enjoyed watching parade solely for seeing him trod around in that outfit with those tight black pants and that short shirt with his naked belly. Owch, dat waz nice.



I think I might have enjoyed it more if it was YOU doing all that in the movie. You're so pretty biggrin
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Reply #85 posted 07/07/02 3:01pm

wellbeyond

Not enough ferrets...more ferrets, and ya got yourself a hit!!
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Reply #86 posted 07/07/02 3:09pm

JimmyNothing

Harlepolis-

NO, they were never on DVD.

Here's a list of Prince movie titles:

Purple Rain - available on DVD now
Prince & The Revolution - Live - VHS
UTCM - VHS
SOTT - VHS (but was available on Laser Disc)
Graffiti Bridge - VHS
The Hits - available on DVD now
3 Chains O Gold - VHS
Diamonds & Pearls Video Collection - VHS
Rave un2 The Year 2000 - available on DVD now
Gett Off - Video - VHS
Sexy MF - Video - VHS
Beautiful Strange - VHS

This doesn't count The Undertaker, The Beautiful Experience, or The Sacrifice of Victor.
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Reply #87 posted 07/07/02 3:57pm

Jarret

I saw GB on VH1 recently like a lot of you did...well, it was a turd then and it hasn't aged well, but it did inspire me to take the CD in the car for a few days. What a shame that such a great album is tainted by association with a worst-films-of-all-time contender. It does bog down at the end, what with the insipid title track, that Mavis Staples thing and the NPG reprise, but it's extremely bad-ass up to that point. Made me very nostalgic for the era of good Prince albums.

As far as "why do you HATE so much", I'm really, REALLY tired of people defending shit because of "positivity". A well-intentioned turd falling into your drink does not improve it any.
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Reply #88 posted 07/07/02 4:20pm

LadyQ

UTCM - yeah, that one sucked, but I still like watching it. GB was hilarious, but cute in its own way. I don't know where Prince got Ingrid Chavez from, but she just didn't do it for me. Still I'll sit down and watch it. You know, like if your friend made a movie and you know it sucks, but you get some type of quiet enjoyment out of it.

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Reply #89 posted 07/07/02 4:22pm

bkw

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Under the Cherry Moon is a pretty bad film but it does have the odd moment of fun here and there.

Grafitti Bridge is a turd pure and simple. It sucks arse in every way possible.

There's my 2 cents worth.
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