every1 has a Good Oppinion of this Subject & The TRC Lyrics would cause u 2 think of it all. some people would say that P is speaking of The Holocost & Slavery & the Native Americans is "Old News" but History is somethin' u NEED 2 remember so it WON'T happen again...

the Lyrics make u THINK & the Music makes u Dance OR Nod u'r Head...

lovemachine said:

"So we must eat a leaf" Many believe that vegetarianism is not just essential to good health, but that with our world's population cresting 6 billion, consumption of animal products for food is unsustainable and wasteful.

"We'll dine under a tree" I can construct several interpretations. In the context of the previous line and the next line, he's possibly pointing out that plants provide shelter as well as nourishment, and that dining outside is only possible in a healthful environment.

"Unless it snows" Since he is probably a believer in Armageddon, snow may apply to a nuclear winter. Then again, given that he's from Minnesota, a more literal interpretation is possible.


One of the great things about art is the varied interpretation that we each have. Prince invites the listener to some of the work. If you are only interested in the beat, so be it, but try to refrain from using words like "stupid" when discussing art.

PurpleLove7 said:

Yeah! It is very good to study and remember
history, but that is not what Prince is doing
on TRC. If anything he is muddying the water
with random thoughts on historical events, and
incomplete continuums. Making statements on
racials divides without focus solutions or
even full opinions is not providing racial
history. It is giving you incomplete random
information in a riddle format, nothing more
or less. The debate here on this thread and
others threads on p.org, prove his thoughts
did not get conveyed in a clear manner. TRC
is a brilliant album and I enjoy and love it
very much, but TRC as information on historical
racial issues it is not. Unfortunately TRC does
more to confuse these racial issues.
[This message was edited Sun Jul 7 11:27:58 PDT 2002 by july]

muleFunk said:

SOTT was never panned. Maybe by some critics, but the majority of them gave it the proverbial thumbs up.

Thank U Mother Africa & Johnny ...

I think TRC is a very Good/God album just as the rest.

Giving the listener music and some food for thought. As i said b4 ..ppl don't seem 2 do this anymore.

As americans of we tend 2 forget all the things that were ever done. There is alot of ungly history here as well as other countries. We have 2 remember...so it it starts again we can recognize, organize and stabalize:) ...put'em n they place just like the past. This work can b done by everyONE.

My last protest/march was on police brutality...and nothing made me feel better than seeing blacks, whites, ricans, etc. (lol...i wanted 2 start singing the song) all age groups marching 2gether 4 ONE cause. I might aid the police escorted us 2 the City Hall 2 make sure we didn't get ran over...ahhh



Chapter ONE...the Rainbow Children


Gods children...movement of Jah people...Bob Marley, The Exodus Album

We all come from different makeups/bloodlines and we all have different jobs, but at the end of the day it all comes down to who u really work 4.

4 instance would u take a stand against a boss becuz u know he is discriminating, even tho' ur up 4 a raise or even a promotion?


...Rainbow Children it's Time...time 2 rise...there is a lot of work 2 do.


Okay I gabbed enough... can someONE take over

Johnny?
JULY...high...and b nice

Mother Africa...1+1+1=3

U wanna start?... what about the digital garden?

Come on let's get mellow...hehehe

i see that and raise you to the akashic narrator in the beginning of family name..took me a while to follow him but by george, i think i got it!
"ur either this or that...one cannot serve 2 masters"- this is heavy! either you are a child or god or not.nothing racist in these lines..that's what trc is all about..everyone coming together as 1( hence the end of the last december)..there's no such thing as a minority.
"..this action will cause a reaction or resistance.."-
this is can be applied to the people (not pointing any fingers) who feel that there are racist under or over tones on this record..he knew what he was doing on this record..it's a reflection on the listener..

GodsloveisTrue said:

TRC does convey alot of spiritual levels
and is strong in that respect... and overall
it is a great work of art and no doubt a very
important record...
[This message was edited Mon Jul 8 1:59:27 PDT 2002 by july]

Rather you love it or hate it. This album would be talked about 4 years and years. In another year or two, I think the Rainbow Children will be more popular to the masses, because that's how all of Prince's music is; Initially no one likes it (or understands), but then when the rest of the world catches up, everyone will be snapping their fingers.

He did say when it first came out "Controversial Album." I think it's safe to say that he was right this time.

Blue Cashmere
"Don't Play Me"

I just love Good/God discussion...

Mother Africa...u must b one of my sisters/brothers

Xactly.

1+1+1=3

I love math...don't u?

When man and woman come together as one...there is only one true way of doing this...both working 4 God. I mean let's say...woman is doing Gods work & Man is running the streets with everything and doing everything...it ain't going 2 work. Plain and simple. This story example can go the other way 2

When u have a good relationship u become evenly yoked..or ur suppose 2. Working n harmony. Now that doesn't mean woman has 2 follow her man he may be going down the wrong path himself...u feel me?. She has a purpose & he 2 or visa versa.

What i like about this equation, Is we know he is talking about Man + WOMBman + God, but let's say A + B + C = GOD/LOVE...then A=God B=U & C=mother,father,sister,brother,co-workers,who ever...r u guys following me on this?...


Mother Earth...ditto 2 U...and i think when we are @ a Crossroads we need 2 think...when i do/say this...who am I working 4. This is hard 4 some becuz they r scared of or have the fear of...well 4 those...When u work 4 God Inc.
u don't have 2 worry about lay offs.

-Welcome 2 the Dawn

"share the truth,preach the good news.."
GodsloveisTrue, thanks for the good discussion. if you want you can e-mail me anytime for further discussion on these topics- may peace be yours.

GodsloveisTrue said:

The Max...lol..R U making a pass?

GodsloveisTrue said:

Hi... GodsloveisTrue girl... i'll be nice when you start makin sense lol...
lol... lol... anyway "GodsloveisTrue" Luvy say's hi...

There is only one reason why we say that past albums will be remebered even though they were panned at the time: It is because he hasnt done anything that stands up to those past albums. Sure lovesexy and sott were great albums, but they were great because of the genius that went into them. Nowadays he is more about the production of an album rather than allowing the raw music to flow. Even TRC was more about the production. (it takes a lot of production to sound that unproduced!).

We should all face up to the fact that right now, Prince aint as good as he was. Im sure he is a much better musician. Im also sure he is a much better producer. But he just aint writing the songs like he used to. Dont get me wrong, Im not saying he should go back and start repeating himself, I just think he should get to writing songs because of the song and forget so much about content, production and who he is trying to please.

I look at my Prince CDs at the moment and cant find anything I wanna listen to at the moment. I dont feel like listening to the old school and the new stuff has very little staying power.

JonnyBoyRebel said:

Yah yah.. people said the same thing about Miles when he came out with his 70's electric funk stuff. "He'll never be as good as his 'Kind Of Blue' period." Meanwhile On The Corner is influencing half the stuff on the radio.

johnnyarseknocker said:

I agree with you. But Miles had to die to get the recognition outside of his circle of followers.

But can you honestly say that anything of recent years by Prince will be remembered as pioneering and experimental? Surely not! prince aint really leading the way musically in anything right now. Thats not to say he wont do so again in the future. But Prince seems to be more about leading the way in terms of the internet and the music club, in the meantime his energies are less focused on coming up with something new musically.

his wacked out JW thing aint helping either!

nickfunk said:

- Hi Nick. It´s exactly my opinion. There is no comparison between Holocaust and slavery, and Prince knows it. I dont understand why some people made such a fuss over it.

JonnyBoyRebel said:

AMEN!!!

GustavoRibas said:

If Prince knws it then he shouldn't be using language that makes this comparision. Or do JW use English differently than that rest of us?

I think you guys might be giving him too much credit for sensitivity with this line. I hear it as, "You think the holocaust was bad? How about a hundred years of SLAVERY? Forget the holocaust, we were the real victims!"

I think that is insensitive, but there is a good point lurking there. Americans are much more comfortable talking about the horrors of the holocaust than the horrors of slavery. If modern Americans don't think that we continue to bear responsibility, than why is it the case that we will flock to Schindlers List but ignore Amadeus? I know this is all a generalization, but as I said, I think there is a good point lurking.

As far as 'better dead or sold', I think the clear implication is that it's better to die. And I agree that the bloodlines comment is probably about black women being raped by white men, and also about the family names being taken away.

I don't agree with a lot of the philosophical content of Rainbow Children, but it is thought provoking.

Doves,
tackaMel!ssa

I appreciate the quality of the replies to this thread. I agree that if Prince wanted to convey a clear message he should have not used phrasing that are with no doubt, debatable.

Again, I remain convinced that the word "aside" meaning "excluded from consideration" (as indicated by Cmputrblu), confirms that Prince did not want to take into account Holocaust in his ongoing reasoning on atrocities such as slavery and killing people.

But, sometimes language goes beyond pure and simple meaning of a word or another, and that's where I could be wrong not being mother tongue.

be wild,

nick

i find the lyrical content of the entire album confused and confusing to the point of boredom. it is such a hotch-potch of half thought-out ideas, ignorance and imagination that it means nothing to me at all.

i used to love prince's musical imagination and when allied to his eccentric lyrics the effect was marvellous and convincing, whimsical, exciting, liberating and cool.

now he just sounds like a crank. there are all sorts of dubious allusions on TRC -the holocaust thing, the jewish names on "family name" being used in a negative light (notwithstanding the quote after that song about "jews and gentiles living together"), yes, all sorts of things that strike the ear wrong. what about the "enlightened" attitude to women portrayed in "muse 2 the pharoah"? this lucky muse might just get to be queen, huh? oh dear.

what a dreadful, ugly piece of work the album is. i sincerely wish it were otherwise; but i can't hang an ear on this tripe. maybe (MAYBE) on "she loves me 4 me", which almost (ALMOST) cuts it. then there's a couple of good beats and bass lines here and there. but people, please, this is a 74 minute mess we've got on our hands here and it ain't no damn good.

Ditto for me. TRC marks the beginning of the end for me as a fan.

tiger2 said:

Jew Is Dead...

Long live His Royal Highness
Gregory Alive


Holocaust aside...

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