Krystal666 said:

In other words, you like it when Prince pimps his hoes.

Race bait? Theres a 400 year history to racism in the US where this artist hails from. His entire career has revolved around race. Who are you kidding w/ the smokescreen? You all can pretend the rest of your lives no matter. Make me the bad guy. Whatever. The truth will prevail.
[Edited 2/7/06 23:49pm]

JonnyApplesauce said:

So it's not possible to not be excited about Tamar without some racist agenda?

No offense, but I think you're taking this too seriously.

Moonbeam said:

Instead of focusing on me, and not the content of what I'm saying, and trying to put words in my mouth, try considering the possibility that I'm right.

You all can pretend the rest of your lives no matter. Make me the bad guy. Whatever. The truth will prevail.

I'm not saying that there isn't racism in the world, nor am I saying it is absent among Prince fans, sadly. But, you did say this:



Who are you including in that statement?

Moonbeam said:

I'm not into all this back and forth minutia. I was referring to the people who starting accusing me of race baiting etc.. But my point which stands. The only real difference from this girl and 99% of Ps other proteges is her complexion and features. Its a non issue. People can qualify their issues however they want but its ridiculous. The fact theres never been this much controversy or people complaining is a witness to the fact.

Vanity - oh shes great
Appolonia - oh shes great
Sheila E - oh shes great
Cat- oh shes great
Jill Jones- oh shes great
Ingrid Chavez - oh shes great
Taja Seville - oh shes great
Mayte - oh shes great
Tamar - Why is Prince hyping this Tamar chick?

You do the math.

OdysseyMiles said:

What you're saying is not completely incompatible with what I said earlier. But the fact remains that even if Prince is collaborating with Tamar for purely artistic reasons, he has to overcome two major perceptions displayed prominently on this thread:

1) Tamar is nothing more than Prince's latest talentless f-buddy that he will soon get tired of.

and

2) Prince is incapable of writing and producing a popular or even "good" album for himself much less another artist.

Judging from some of the responses here and elsewhere Prince has a major challenge ahead to change people's minds. And to those saying Tamar needs vocal training, she attended the High School for the Performing and Visual Arts (HSPVA) in Houston, the same type of school featured in the movie and tv show "Fame". Here is her student profile from the Houston Chronicle website:

http://www.chron.com/cont...ofile.html

redflag said:

I seriously doubt she's a f**ing buddy. Prince is not into BLACK women on a romantic tip. She's talented to me. More talented than a Carmen Electra. Now she was an f**ing buddy, but she was also the typical Prince girl. Even Mani is typical Prince, even though folks dog her, but Tamar isn't.

JonnyApplesauce said:

I think you'd be hard pressed to find ANYONE who agrees with all of that.

Anyway, I wish you well. I'm through with this discussion as I fail to see how disliking Tamar indicates some kind of racial barrier.

Appolonia - oh shes great
Cat- oh shes great
Taja Seville - oh shes great
Mayte - oh shes great

OdysseyMiles said:

What you're saying is not completely incompatible with what I said earlier. But the fact remains that even if Prince is collaborating with Tamar for purely artistic reasons, he has to overcome two major perceptions displayed prominently on this thread:

1) Tamar is nothing more than Prince's latest talentless f-buddy that he will soon get tired of.

and

2) Prince is incapable of writing and producing a popular or even "good" album for himself much less another artist.

Judging from some of the responses here and elsewhere Prince has a major challenge ahead to change people's minds. And to those saying Tamar needs vocal training, she attended the High School for the Performing and Visual Arts (HSPVA) in Houston, the same type of school featured in the movie and tv show "Fame". Here is her student profile from the Houston Chronicle website:

http://www.chron.com/cont...ofile.html

redflag said:

Actually, he doesn't. Why not? Because "what people are saying here" doesn't amount to jack squizzle.
The true fact of the matter is that Prince doesn't have anything to prove to anyone. In his mind, Tamar's project is already a success. I seriously doubt that some hateration on a message board is going to cause Prince to lose any sleep.

Moonbeam said:

Thank you Moonbeam. There are many words I could use to describe the women mentioned above, but "great" (in reference to their musical capabilities) is definitely not the word I would chose for several of them.

And JonnyApplesauce, by putting "Cat-oh shes great" you somewhat negate your own point, since Cat had a darker complexion too. To make your argument more credible you should have said people didn't like Cat--b/c of her skin tone.

(And btw, you forgot Carmen & Nona. )

redflag said:

Actually, he doesn't. Why not? Because "what people are saying here" doesn't amount to jack squizzle.
The true fact of the matter is that Prince doesn't have anything to prove to anyone. In his mind, Tamar's project is already a success. I seriously doubt that some hateration on a message board is going to cause Prince to lose any sleep.

Why has this damn discussion turned into a race riot?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Shut up, whitey!

ChristopherTracyParade said:

Listen Negress, don't get me started!

And that's half whitey, thank you very much



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jone70 said:

Yeah I did forget Carmen. Nona was an established artist and a legend's daughter. Cat isnt dark at all. Hes been involved w/ Ananda Lewis, of BET/MTV, Susan from Vanity 6, Patrice Rushen, and several dark brown skinned female musicians but none of it was hyped and they had their own lives and careers apart form him.

JonnyApplesauce said:

I never heard nothin' about him and Patrice being involved. I know he had a crush on her because he has a thing for (some) female musicians, but I think he just liked her I don't know about them being involved or Ananda Lewis. Susan from Vanity 6, I just read about that the first time in the book Possessed, before then, never heard of the two of them cuz who did claim as his girlfriend: Vanity and the same thing with Nona, she even told it in Essence magazine, he supposedly said he wanted to marry Nona, he must've been on dope when he said that and she had to had been at the time to believe that, cuz who did end up marrying huh? Miss Mayte. He might mess with black women IN THE DARK, but not in the LIGHT.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Ya damn mutt!

ChristopherTracyParade said:

You should have seen the time I was shopping with my Mexican Grandma. I was 5 and I could hear her friend from across the store Vicki! Oh, how are you. I haven't seen you in such a long time and as she came closer she looked down at me with a shocked look on her face and askedWho's that!?. My grandmother told her This is my grandson!. I must have looked like a kidnap victim to that woman

jone70 said:

Yeah I did forget Carmen. Nona was an established artist and a legend's daughter. Cat isnt dark at all. Hes been involved w/ Ananda Lewis, of BET/MTV, Susan from Vanity 6, Patrice Rushen, and several dark brown skinned female musicians but none of it was hyped and they had their own lives and careers apart form him.

JonnyApplesauce said:

You’re not coming strong with this lame ass attempt at race bait. You were the first one to mention anything about race or color, check the thread. Few of us even care about Tamar, much less her skin color; I just want to know why Prince is promoting her so hard. One can only wonder about your perceptions on race when you’re willing to interject Coretta Scott King in a music thread about Tamar.

lilgish said:

Amen. I never knew it was racist to not get excited about an artist of a particular skin color.

I don't think anyone is saying she sucks...maybe they're just tired of protoges, which is the case for me. I'd be more likely to get into her if she weren't a protoge, in all honesty...

lilgish said:

Why are you more perplexed on why he is promoting Tamar so hard, moreso than Appolonia, Vanity, Carmen, Mayte, etc?

JonnyApplesauce said:

So it's not possible to not be excited about Tamar without some racist agenda?

No offense, but I think you're taking this too seriously.