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PrintablePayt said: The best guitar player.. hmm.. interesting question.
You see, the problem with a lot of those competetive guitar players is that, while they may be technically accomplished, they seem to play such boring music. I'm thinking satriani and malmsteen here.  Please don't lump Malmsteen and Satriani together... They are completely different. Satch is the one person that really does make the guitar sing... Listen to "Rubina" or "Always with me, Always with you" | |
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krayzie said: Just take a look at Stanley Jodan :
http://media.putfile.com/Stanley-Jordan He's able to play bass, rythm and solo at the same time with an electric guitar !!! And he's not considered as the greatest player of all time...   Well, that certainly was a jumbled mess. Please tell me this video was meant to be a joke. | |
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I wouldn't think he is the best, but he is one of my favourites. For example, they say Clapton is one of the best but i find his playing boring. Everytime Prince opens up, i get goosebumps!!
I remember one of my heavy metal mates, who has heard so many good guitarists, telling me that the guitar solo on batdance was amazing. Now thats something!! | |
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Theres too many of these threads! Can't people just realise what it really comes down to is who YOU like best!? Jesis!!! "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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coolcat said: Payt said: The best guitar player.. hmm.. interesting question.
You see, the problem with a lot of those competetive guitar players is that, while they may be technically accomplished, they seem to play such boring music. I'm thinking satriani and malmsteen here. Please don't lump Malmsteen and Satriani together... They are completely different. Satch is the one person that really does make the guitar sing... Listen to "Rubina" or "Always with me, Always with you"Allright, i'll give satch the benefit of the doubt.. i don't know all his work. It's just that i think most of those guitarhero's play boring and predictable blues and rock. The difference with P is that he can play that kinda stuff as well.. and then some! | |
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If you see the new John Mayer band video, you will notice the young guy kills on guitar. Prince is good, but he should always remember, that there is a lot of competition out there. All you others say Hell Yea!!  | |
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gmcb said: krayzie said: Just take a look at Stanley Jodan :
http://media.putfile.com/Stanley-Jordan He's able to play bass, rythm and solo at the same time with an electric guitar !!! And he's not considered as the greatest player of all time... Well, that certainly was a jumbled mess. Please tell me this video was meant to be a joke. So you don't know who Stanley Jordan is? That disqualifies you from making any comments about a "greatest guitar player". Come back when your musical I.Q. is higher. | |
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Stanley Jordan is cool, Just listen to "All The children" ..... What a great track !!! | |
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coolcat said: It's not all about soloing...
Amen! | |
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coolcat said: GoldenGlove said: most of the above guitarists are masters of lead. But Prince is the true king of rythm guitar IMO.  I dunno. While I LOVE Prince's rhythm playing, I might have to give the edge to Nile Rodgers with his work in Chic. "White people like Wayne Brady because he makes Byrant Gumbel look like Malcom X" - Negrodamus | |
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If ever you wanted to read some bullshit, this thread never disappoints.
Recurring thread nightmare!  | |
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I saw this awesome show back in 1988 @ "The Palace" in Hollywood.
The artist performing was "Jesse Johnson" He kicked ass on the Ax. I remember him adding a guitar intro and guitar solo to the song "I Want My Girl" I remember getting goose bumps. In my opinion He is one the most underrated guitarist. | |
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he is one of the best i do believe!!! keavin barnes | |
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krayzie said: Prince is definitely the most underrated guitarist ever...
But many people show all their ignorance by saying he's the greatest player of all time... There are way too many better guitar players... Some people should see and hear the very best players to see the difference... Just take a look at Stanley Jodan : http://media.putfile.com/Stanley-Jordan He's able to play bass, rythm and solo at the same time with an electric guitar !!! And he's not considered as the greatest player of all time... I like Stanley Jordan, I have a couple of CDs of his, but I'd rather listen to Prince play guitar any day, given the choice. Sure he's sloppy, his vibrato is not well controlled and he probably doesn't know a bunch of scales but he plays with passion and, most importantly, I like the notes he chooses to play. I know that for some people technique is all there is to music but to me its just a tool to get your ideas heard. If you've got no ideas then all the technique in the world don't mean shit (Note: I'm not saying that applies to Stanley Jordan). "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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FunkJam said: Theres too many of these threads! Can't people just realise what it really comes down to is who YOU like best!? Jesis!!!
Amen! "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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BlaqueKnight said: gmcb said: Well, that certainly was a jumbled mess. Please tell me this video was meant to be a joke. So you don't know who Stanley Jordan is? That disqualifies you from making any comments about a "greatest guitar player". Come back when your musical I.Q. is higher. Another exhibition of breathtaking stupidity from BlaqueKnight who shouldn't really use the word "musical" until he knows what it means (Hint: its not a sporting term) "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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SDNafka said: BlaqueKnight said: So you don't know who Stanley Jordan is? That disqualifies you from making any comments about a "greatest guitar player". Come back when your musical I.Q. is higher. Another exhibition of breathtaking stupidity from BlaqueKnight who shouldn't really use the word "musical" until he knows what it means (Hint: its not a sporting term) Whateva, fool. Your breath is obviously easily taken, fambot.
Stanley Jordan is one of the baddest cats to ever hold a guitar. Get your knowledge up and stop spewing nonsense. Pissed because Prince can't play like that? | |
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BlaqueKnight said: SDNafka said: Another exhibition of breathtaking stupidity from BlaqueKnight who shouldn't really use the word "musical" until he knows what it means (Hint: its not a sporting term) Whateva, fool. Your breath is obviously easily taken, fambot.
Stanley Jordan is one of the baddest cats to ever hold a guitar. Get your knowledge up and stop spewing nonsense. Pissed because Prince can't play like that? I bought my first Stanley Jordan album back in 1986 just after I started playing guitar and really got into the two-hands-on-the-neck playing for a while and worked out some of his stuff ( though I couldn't play it now ). After more than 20 years of playing I can play anything Vai, Satriani, Malmsteen, Howe, Henderson, Scofield etc. can play. The techniques of guys like Holdsworth, Guthrie Govan and Shawn Lane are a little beyond me at the moment because I don't have a spare 20 hours a day to practice, but I am aware of them. So, your problem, I should say your MAIN problem, Blaquie is that you're not dealing with someone who doesn't know much about the guitar or guitar players here. I dare say I know more than you do ( Lord! is THAT humanly possible?!). So your "Blind Jeremy Widebottom could outplay Prince with both hands tied behind his back and a pitch fork up his arse - and if you ain't heard him then STFU!" type comments, though amusing in a moronic trailer-trash sort of way, are irrelevant. Technically, I can play Prince into the ground but he's a far batter guitarist than I am. Confused Blaquie? Of course you are, its a big world full of scary adults using big words - let me elucidate: You see music is a form of art, that's right A-R-T - its funny word isn't it?, see if you can remember it so you can ask nursie about it when she comes around with your pills. Anyway, now art is all about self expression, expressing your ideas and emotions through a particular medium ( or several media ). To do this you need technique, yes Blaquie we know THAT word don't we? Unfortunately alot of people get so caught up in acquiring technique that they forget about self expression and the technique becomes an end in itself. They sound like silly billies don't they Blaquie? Now, Princey hasn't fallen into that trap, in fact his technique could use some work - he's a bit sloppy - but, for many of us, he plays with such passion and has such a great musical imagination that we don't mind the sloppy technique - its more than compensated for by his creativity. Now, if you see a guitarist as a kind of finger-athlete or a high density hard-disk for scales and chords, as you no doubt do my endearingly naive friend, then you won't think Prince is a very good guitar player, and that's OK, dumb, but OK. Perhaps you just don't like Prince's choice of notes, well that's OK too, and not even dumb. But can you see, no go with me on this one Blaquie, that the view that Prince is great guitarist is a completely logical and valid one if a guitarist is an artist who expresses himself via the guitar rather than a mere technician? No, of course you can't, because you, my dear Blaquie, are one of those guys for whom adolescence is more than just a phase, its a way of life. To all the finger athletes out there, I salute you. Keep it up boys! SDN PS There really is no need for you to respond Blaquie, but if you do may I request lots of ebonics and one or two of those disingenuous “lol”s that you do so well, because feigned superiority is SUCH a great substitute for a reasoned argument. "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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Oh dear. | |
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Now i wanna see the arguments of BlaqueKnight! |
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I'm sorry, I dozed off after the first few sentences. Would you re-type that whole lame ass pseudo-intellectual bs you just spewed so that I may ignore it again?
I've met Stanley Jordan on several occasions. We discussed his playing techniques in great length until he had to leave once. He's one of the most down-to-earth egoless people you could ever meet. I knew Shawn. You may THINK you are close but you're probably not nearly as close as you think you are. Have you memorized all of Coltrane's solos on guitar and piano yet? Because that's where you start, then you move on. Shawn was one of the baddest players I've ever known and he never displayed half of what he could do on his records. Bet you didn't know he could mimic guitar player's playing styles just like comedians mimic celebrities voices? Shawn was beyond a LOT of people including most of whom you named. Shawn was a true genius. Stanley is a virtuoso. You are an asshole. I pretty much tuned your ass out when you started bragging about who you could play like. Each of the guitarists you named are very different distinct personalities - not techniques. THEY ALL PLAY DIFFERENTLY. Big deal, you prefer Prince's playing style over theirs. I prefer Ernie Isley's style over theirs and Prince's but I respect their abilities nonetheless and I don't clump them together like they are pieces of tab paper. I never said Prince sucked or wasn't a good guitarist. All I've ever said was he's nowhere near the greatest. Maybe the reason you admire Prince's style so much is because your ass ain't got no SOUL. I do. I'll pass on your lame ass pseudo-intellectual jabs at me which really make you sound like a pussy rather than insult me. (They used to beat up bitches that talk like you where I'm from) Your little attacks are nothing more than mere typed words. I'll pass on this recurring "Prince is the greatest guitarist" rationalization thread that you fandroids flock to every couple of weeks and I'll pass on you telling me shit about guitarists that I already know. You've accomplished nothing other than to rile up your cheerleader 7Salles and a couple of others. Go practice. (You to, Sallezzzzz) I'm out of this thread. You all can go back to idolworshipping. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I'm sorry, I dozed off after the first few sentences. Would you re-type that whole lame ass pseudo-intellectual bs you just spewed so that I may ignore it again?
There was nothing remotely "pseudo-intellectual in the first few sentences so you obviously read the whole thing. The post is still there so, having read it already, you can ignore it as many times as you like. In fact, I suggest you don't venture too far from a computer for the next few days so you can log in and ignore it at regular intervals. I've met Stanley Jordan on several occasions. We discussed his playing techniques in great length until he had to leave once. He's one of the most down-to-earth egoless people you could ever meet.
I have no doubt that Stanley is a great guy, I've never said otheriwise, and I'm sure it was a pleasure to meet him. I knew Shawn. You may THINK you are close but you're probably not nearly as close as you think you are.
No, I'm EXACTLY as close as I think I am...of course "close" is relative term. Have you memorized all of Coltrane's solos on guitar and piano yet? Because that's where you start, then you move on. Shawn was one of the baddest players I've ever known and he never displayed half of what he could do on his records.
No doubt he was a great guitar player but, honestly, that style of guitar playing doesn't get me on an emotional level. I admire it, I've seen the videos and heard a few tracks but it just doesn't appeal to me so much that I want to imitate it - just a subjective thing. Bet you didn't know he could mimic guitar player's playing styles just like comedians mimic celebrities voices?
No I didn't but it doesn't surprise me, I'm sure he could play just about anything. It seems to me that you're still missing the point; there's a big difference between being able to imitate a style and inventing a style. Shawn was beyond a LOT of people including most of whom you named. Shawn was a true genius.
You think he was and that's fine. For me he was a great musician but fell a long way short of genius. Stanley is a virtuoso.
No doubt. You are an asshole.
Quite possibly. I pretty much tuned your ass out when you started bragging about who you could play like.
Perhaps you tuned out before that because I never said I play LIKE them, I said I could play anything they play. Next! Each of the guitarists you named are very different distinct personalities - not techniques. THEY ALL PLAY DIFFERENTLY. Big deal, you prefer Prince's playing style over theirs. I prefer Ernie Isley's style over theirs and Prince's but I respect their abilities nonetheless and I don't clump them together like they are pieces of tab paper. I never said Prince sucked or wasn't a good guitarist. All I've ever said was he's nowhere near the greatest.
Now come one Blaquie, you're being conveniently loose with the truth there. I wouldn't have had a problem if you had merely said you though Prince wasn't the greatest guitarist of all time. The thing that provoked me was you telling others they had no right to express their opinions because they hadn't heard of guitarist X or some such inane rubbish. Maybe the reason you admire Prince's style so much is because your ass ain't got no SOUL.
Ignoring the double negative, please don't insult my buttocks, they've done nothing to harm you. I do. I'll pass on your lame ass pseudo-intellectual jabs at me which really make you sound like a pussy rather than insult me. (They used to beat up bitches that talk like you where I'm from)
Good Lord, how barbaric! No wonder you know nothing about art...get outta there, quick! Your little attacks are nothing more than mere typed words.
You've got me there. I'll pass on this recurring "Prince is the greatest guitarist" rationalization thread that you fandroids flock to every couple of weeks
promise? and I'll pass on you telling me shit about guitarists that I already know.
You've accomplished nothing other than to rile up your cheerleader 7Salles and a couple of others. Go practice. (You to, Sallezzzzz) I'm out of this thread. You all can go back to idolworshipping. Cheers! ....I don't know but for some reason, even after all that, I kinda like the guy! Peace. "Don't hate me cos I'm beautiful" | |
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Prince? Plays the guitar? Now, are you sure? | |
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Alasseon said:  There must be a reason why this thread comes up so often.
As I've said before, Prince is my inspiration to play guitar. He is a very, very good guitarist, but technically there are hundreds of people who can do things that Prince has yet to do in public on guitar. If you had to rank him among professional musicians as a guitar player, *within the Rock genre*, he is among the top ten. There are metal players who can play faster and more intricate lines. There are blues players who can play more songs in that genre. There are jazz players who command a more masterful expertise of the guitar. There are classical players who can do things on acoustic that many can't do with electic guitars and all the effects. But Prince has got to be one of the most provocative, evocative musicians on guitar (or any other instrument). He is just...charismatic, attractive, powerful, masterful in the way he plays and presents himself. He plays one note and you feel as if he's played a symphony. He is not only a great guitarist, but also a great performer. In that sense, ain't nobody better. Another of his talents is his versatility. Not only can he play many different kinds of music on many different instruments, but he also composes all his own music. So even as a die-hard Prince fan, I cannot say he's the greatest guitar player of all time. Andres Segovia, Steve Vai, Stevie Ray Vaughn, Ry Cooder, and John McLaughlin may all have something to say about that. But in the totality, Prince is a visionary musician and stellar performer. He's my *favorite* guitarist. No need to call him the Best Ever. agree!! My other fav's are Vernon Reid(Livoing Colour) and Eddie Van Halen!!! Nobody noticed the final of Fury sounded a bit Eddie VH-ish??? Love4oneanother | |
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No.
But I believe Prince is about equal to Hendrix (and possibly Zappa) as the best ROCK guitarist. Stylistically and technically, Prince is a king of rock. He is also well-versed in jazz guitar, too... I think he is a better jazz guitarist than Hendrix was for example, but then Hendrix is only at a disadvantage because he didn't live long enough to explore that harmonic complexity. . [Edited 2/7/06 5:11am] | |
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Just for the record. i dont think Prince is the greatest guitar player of all time. |
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SDNafka said: krayzie said: Prince is definitely the most underrated guitarist ever...
But many people show all their ignorance by saying he's the greatest player of all time... There are way too many better guitar players... Some people should see and hear the very best players to see the difference... Just take a look at Stanley Jodan : http://media.putfile.com/Stanley-Jordan He's able to play bass, rythm and solo at the same time with an electric guitar !!! And he's not considered as the greatest player of all time... I like Stanley Jordan, I have a couple of CDs of his, but I'd rather listen to Prince play guitar any day, given the choice. Sure he's sloppy, his vibrato is not well controlled and he probably doesn't know a bunch of scales but he plays with passion and, most importantly, I like the notes he chooses to play. I know that for some people technique is all there is to music but to me its just a tool to get your ideas heard. If you've got no ideas then all the technique in the world don't mean shit (Note: I'm not saying that applies to Stanley Jordan). What you said is a question of taste not technique... When we are talking about the greatest guitar player of all time, we are saying who's the best technically, the one who revolutionized and redefined the way of play and influenced the most ??? Of course Prince is nowhere near the very best guitar players, but he's blatantly underrated... But what pissed me off with Prince fans is the way they always take it bad when some people say he's not the best guitarist... Prince can play with passion, with his heart etc, that's great, but he IS NOT THE GREATEST GUITAR PLAYER... A lot of guitarists are way better technically... I don't judge a guitar player just because he plays with "passion"... It's not objective at all... sorry [Edited 2/8/06 12:46pm] |
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SenseOfDoubt said: George Benson in his prime... or Adrian Belew... too good to chose one, if that should be necessary.
George Benson was awesome! "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Wow, what a thread!
Before I respond to this i would first have to say that people should or would probably be better served by prefencing this within "Genre". IMHO its hard to compare a rock player to a jazz player or metal or whatever, but anyway... My personal favs are 1. Jimmy Bruno he has outstanding technique the best in jazz 2. George Benson 3. Stanly Jordon 4. Randy Rhodes 5. Jimmy Hendrix 6. Eddie hazel 7. Greg Williams(the guitarist i work with) 8. Andre Segovia 9. BB king 10. zakk wylde Will add more later.... JV' | |
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