Number23 said:

Comparing Prince to MJ being 'socially inadequate'..she has a bad memory the old tart !

Old faced tart

At least prince was good enough to have sex with

TheKid said:

Yeah she was nuts about him at one stage ,as i said her memory is bad ..it's old age and too much surgery (on her old face)

it's annoying how bitchy she still is at times ..she had to get a little dig at him

RipHer2Shreds said:

what is up with this defense of artist act that was recently passed here at the org? davideye seems to be on on-call duty to defend madge's dignity and folks here are patrolling prince's ship.

its kinda cute in a strange way.

sosgemini said:

Not only that, but people don't seem to know how to read - there have been SEVERAL posts here that have stated Madonna didn't say it. If the interviewer would have said the Prince is the most congenial mother fucker on the planet, they would have been complaining that she didn't finish the thought with "...and the greatest singer and dancer ever, ever, ever, EVER!"

RipHer2Shreds said:

If she said it or not ,she is still annoying ..her ABBA pinching song doing so well

Nikki23 said:

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it, so I won't argue that!

sosgemini said:

And you defend Wendy and Lisa so its all relative.

So, wait, Prince and Madonna did the wild thing? Didn't know that.

How can people criticise Madonna all she did was complement mj and prince. I hardly doubt that they would return one!

Madonna is modern woman ambassator, she's amazing, savoir-faire and strong. she never was ultra-feminin which is good for a change, when ya need a break from all the famous feminin bimbos and she's had her fame for more than the usual 15-minutes. she's a miracle
[Edited 12/15/05 17:17pm]

Madonna chooses "When Doves Cry". The world all makes sense now.

Shout out to Chico for his thread: http://www.prince.org/msg/7/170869

Does Madonna actually write anything? Maybe co-write lyrics, but actually write songs??

And you can't go by the album credits.

I just rebought the re-mastered 1st ablum by madonna which said "all songs written by madonna", well if you look them up on the US Copyright database, you see she did NOT write the main songs like HOlliday and Borderline etc.

HOw does she get away with claiming she did write them?

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Interception!!!!!



[Edited 12/16/05 14:05pm]

GaryMF said:

My understanding is she does 90% of the lyrics and at least the melody on most songs. She's been doing something right because everything since Ray Of Light has been top notch, imo.




I'd bet that's the record company doing that.

jtfolden said:

What about pre-ray of light and her learning to play guitar. Did she really have any input to the 1st 2 albums which are what made her a star?

GaryMF said:

offthe top of my head Madonna wrote from her first two albums
Lucky Star
Burning Up
I Know It
Think of Me
Phycisal Attraction
Everybody
Ain't No Big Deal
Angel
Over and Over
Shoo-Bee-Doo
Pretender
Stay
Into the Groove
Gambler

She wrote all of True Blue, the tracks from Who's That Girl Like A Prayer
All the songs not included in Dick Tracy from I'm Breathless were written by here
Rescue Me from the Immaculate Collection
All of Erotica and This Used to be My Playgroud
All of Bedtime Stories minus the Title Track, I'll Remember
You'll See, Once More Chance
All of Ray of LIght, Muisc, AMerican LIfe and Confessions on a Dancefloor

I wouldn't take too much notice of songwriting credits these days:

e.g. Little Suzie Popstar gives a tape of herself singing some inane tuneless drivel about her ex-boyfriend Billy to a big time producer (via her manager). perhaps accompanied by some root position major chords on piano. Big time producer changes the melody here and there, swaps the chorus for one of the verses, bumps up the tempo and arranges the instrumentation - consulting Suzie frequently of course!

"What do you think of the drum track Suzie"
"Wow!...its like, totally awseome ...and stuff....I love that chinka chink noise...what's that?"
"Its a fucking hi-hat Suzie"
"awesome!"

Basically the producer constructs a super-hip track around Suzie's half-witted warblings ( he could have constructed the same super-hip track around "Happy Birthday To You", the original melody and lyrics being largely irrelevant). Now, since the big time producer is already being paid handsomely and anyone who's anyone will know that he was the creative force behind the track anyway AND the record company would rather Suzie receive writing royalties than pay her itself, Suzie get full credit for the song! Everyone is happy!

I'm not saying that this is necessarily true for Madonna just that you can't take songwriting credits too seriously in today's producer-driven music biz.
[Edited 12/17/05 0:00am]

ehuffnsd said:

These look right to me, just going by what I remember..





Wait... she did not write ALL of that alone. Actually, after the first two albums I think she almost always chose a writing partner. I think this is a good thing. Madonna seems to be very good at writing a catchy pop tune but her collaborators help her take it to the next level,imo.

rudeboynpg said:

Gee, that seems to fit the definition of SHY perfectly...

"being reserved or having or showing nervousness or timidity in the company of other people"



So you're agreeing that he tends to be socially inept by nature? If his attempts at communicating with normal people seem clumsy, awkward, and maladroit then it's not a far stretch to say he's rather inept at it... or at least was up until very recently. I think he's been improving since around '96 or so.

jtfolden said:

No, I'd argue that this "shy" image that he often strives 2 portray may be a big sham. Former Manager Steve Fargnoli had said "He's just as outspoken and outrageous offstage as he is on." Prince often has put on a big show of being mysterious. Prince never seems nervous, shy and intimidated in groups 2 me. Seems clear 2 me that Prince just has trust issues and height issues as well. U have 2 earn his trust. Prince is alot of things but shy is not one of them.
[Edited 12/18/05 8:07am]

rudeboynpg said:

I think you're looking for reasons not to label him as shy but the more you say the more you prove the point.

If Prince has trust and self-confidence issues related to his height that cause him to be reserved and timid until he gets to know someone then that is just supporting the fact that he's shy in social situations. What you're saying doesn't disprove it. I'm sure you've heard the comment "He's shy until he gets to know you." He may come out of his shell around people he knows or to manipulate media when he has to in front of the camera but otherwise he's fairly shy. I don't think it's an act. Reports from people who have met him, all the way back into the 70's support this.

I think the word "shy" implies that he is nervous, but I think he's mainly reserved and quiet when he wants to be and outrageous and extrovert when he wants to be.

He never seems to be intimidated by people but rather chooses to be quiet. If that makes sense.

"socially inadequate"
well, actually...
she's right
it's always gotta be about him
his beliefs, his way, etc.
try talking to him sometime

pepper7 said:

Actually, even Prince himself has admitted to the fear or 'shutting up' when a bunch of intimidating people are in the room.

Frankly, I don't understand why so many people are afraid of or object to the term 'shy'. It's not an insult. In fact, a lot of people find it attractive in a person - to a degree.

But, have you ever heard Celebrity wives Talk? They say the cELEBRITY is ALWAYS and EGO Maniac....It is ALWAYS THEM... Well, what Can ya Do? Why Shouldn't it be? They are the STAR!

jtfolden said:

Yes, alot of people find shyness attractive and this is why he has played on that. When he said that about people in the room, that is actually about control. When has Prince seemed scard and intimidated by people 2 u? How the hell could he have had control of the Time, a bunch of big guys, if he is so shy and intimidated? Did he seem intimidated by Tom Petty and all those other stangers at the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame? No, not at all. He was cocky, confident and arrogant as always.
[Edited 12/18/05 18:27pm]

jtfolden said:

Wow John, u r a master at misinterperting my posts and twisting my words 2 your view. I never said he has self-confidence issues. He has issues about his height relating 2 being respected by others. Prince never seems timid at all with a shy, bashful demure 2 me. Shy and bashful suggests lack self-consciousness in the presence of others.
[Edited 12/18/05 21:15pm]

rudeboynpg said:

Actually Prince has seemed nervous and unsure at several awards shows or appearances through-out the years, stumbling over cryptic words or having other people speak for him. Part of it certainly looked like an act but a great deal more seemed to indicate genuine discomfort.

The Time situation is hardly relevant. He knew most of those people, grew up with them, created the image, etc... That's faaaaar removed from a random social environment. Plus, since you mention control, it's easy to feel less shy and more confident in situations and with people that you feel are beneath you or in your command. This is probably another reason why Prince used to shy away from so many events that he couldn't dictate or command... Look at all the stories about Prince's odd behavior around others, especially prior to '96.



Did you see him sitting down in a non-structured social event and chatting successfully with Petty, etc... or was he putting on a show? Some of the most shy people in the world have no trouble getting up on stage and putting up a front/persona, etc... it works.