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Reply #30 posted 11/11/05 7:27am

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ufoclub said:

You should make a digital transfer of the real vinyl off of a good turntable to a cdr and then share so we can hear what it was meant to sound like.


What's the purpose of that?
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Reply #31 posted 11/11/05 7:39am

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ufoclub said:

You should make a digital transfer of the real vinyl off of a good turntable to a cdr and then share so we can hear what it was meant to sound like.

BorisFishpaw said:

I've got 6 copies of the Black Album...

2 bootleg LPs (both bought in '88 after the album got pulled)

1 genuine withdrawn 1987 LP

1 ltd. 1994 issue on LP

2 ltd. 1994 issues on CD (1 US copy & 1 European copy)


Wasn't the original master and mastering used in the 1994 release?
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Reply #32 posted 11/11/05 7:44am

MSERMA

WB - CD
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Reply #33 posted 11/11/05 7:48am

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vainandy said:

A friend made me a cassette of the vinyl album back in the day. I bought the CD when it was finally officially released. The CD still has that muffled "bootleg cheap cassette" sound as the copy that I used to have. I've never understood this....if the album was all set to be shipped and Prince changed his mind at the last minute, why is the sounded muffled and not crystal clear? Surely, he wasn't going to release it sounding this way.


Mine doesn't sound that way. It isn't the best mastering job, since they used the same vinyl masters that they did for the original, aborted release, but it isn't "muffled".
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Reply #34 posted 11/11/05 7:51am

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MikeMatronik said:

ufoclub said:

You should make a digital transfer of the real vinyl off of a good turntable to a cdr and then share so we can hear what it was meant to sound like.



Wasn't the original master and mastering used in the 1994 release?


Nope. WB had to use the vinyl masters from the 1987 release (much as they have had to with all of his 80s albums). That is why the sound quality is on par with SOTT and Lovesexy, as oppossed to being on par with Come or TGE, which were both released around the same time.
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Reply #35 posted 11/11/05 7:53am

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all the recordings before batman (I think) were designed or mastered to sound great playing off of the vinyl record, not a cd.

RepoMan said:

ufoclub said:

You should make a digital transfer of the real vinyl off of a good turntable to a cdr and then share so we can hear what it was meant to sound like.


What's the purpose of that?
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Reply #36 posted 11/11/05 8:10am

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ufoclub said:

all the recordings before batman (I think) were designed or mastered to sound great playing off of the vinyl record, not a cd.

RepoMan said:



What's the purpose of that?


Right, but then you take the record and transfer it to CD-R, so what's the difference between that CD-R and the official CD? I'm lost.
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Reply #37 posted 11/11/05 8:18am

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RepoMan said:

ufoclub said:

all the recordings before batman (I think) were designed or mastered to sound great playing off of the vinyl record, not a cd.



Right, but then you take the record and transfer it to CD-R, so what's the difference between that CD-R and the official CD? I'm lost.


The sound is richer. The vinyl just sounds better than those old CDs, and you get a closer approximation of what the album is suppossed to sound like. If I had the setup to do so, I would copy all my old Prince vinyl onto CD.
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Reply #38 posted 11/11/05 8:23am

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if you play the record, you are getting the correct intended tone which you can then record right to a cd which will reproduce the same tone.

if you play the offical cd, you are getting a duplication of the master tape which does not sound good (tonewise) (until it is transferred to vinyl).

RepoMan said:

ufoclub said:

all the recordings before batman (I think) were designed or mastered to sound great playing off of the vinyl record, not a cd.



Right, but then you take the record and transfer it to CD-R, so what's the difference between that CD-R and the official CD? I'm lost.
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Reply #39 posted 11/11/05 8:32am

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ufoclub said:

if you play the record, you are getting the correct intended tone which you can then record right to a cd which will reproduce the same tone.


Have you done this? Are you happy with the results?
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Reply #40 posted 11/11/05 8:48am

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ufoclub said:

if you play the record, you are getting the correct intended tone which you can then record right to a cd which will reproduce the same tone.

if you play the offical cd, you are getting a duplication of the master tape which does not sound good (tonewise) (until it is transferred to vinyl).


Uhm, yeah, but when you transfer it to CD-R, doesn't some of the sound get lost again? You'd think that it would sound just as "thin" as the original CD.
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Reply #41 posted 11/11/05 8:50am

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JediMaster said:

ufoclub said:

if you play the record, you are getting the correct intended tone which you can then record right to a cd which will reproduce the same tone.


Have you done this? Are you happy with the results?


IMO you need professional equipment if you want to do it right, much like Tim did for the 6 CD-R 12" archive.
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Reply #42 posted 11/11/05 8:53am

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RepoMan said:

ufoclub said:

if you play the record, you are getting the correct intended tone which you can then record right to a cd which will reproduce the same tone.

if you play the offical cd, you are getting a duplication of the master tape which does not sound good (tonewise) (until it is transferred to vinyl).


Uhm, yeah, but when you transfer it to CD-R, doesn't some of the sound get lost again? You'd think that it would sound just as "thin" as the original CD.


No, because you are using a turntable, which is the medium through which the music was intended to be filtered. The original vinyl masters were EQ'ed for a turntable, which adds quite a bit of bass into the sound. If they used the regular masters to strike vinyl copies they'd wind up sounding very muddy. The vinyl masters were made to deliberately add more treble, thus why the CDs struck from these masters now sound so tinny. In order to correct this, WB would have to go back to the original master tapes and make new CDs.
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Reply #43 posted 11/11/05 8:55am

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RepoMan said:

JediMaster said:



Have you done this? Are you happy with the results?


IMO you need professional equipment if you want to do it right, much like Tim did for the 6 CD-R 12" archive.


I agree. Ufoclub is a DJ, and most likely has access to professional equipment, thus why I asked.

Who is Tim, and what did he do with the 12"? Sounds cool.
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Reply #44 posted 11/11/05 8:56am

thekidsgirl

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I saw the 94 CD in a used record shop last week, and almost bouugt it
but I decided not to at the last minute.
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Reply #45 posted 11/11/05 8:59am

ufoclub

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I'm not a dj! This looks like job for "T"....

look up in the sky, on prince.org, on housquake.com, on alt.music.prince.... It's T!
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Reply #46 posted 11/11/05 9:01am

JediMaster

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ufoclub said:

I'm not a dj! This looks like job for "T"....

look up in the sky, on prince.org, on housquake.com, on alt.music.prince.... It's T!


confuse Really? I could have sworn you were! I must be confusing you with someone else! Sorry!
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Reply #47 posted 11/11/05 9:19am

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nope check my profile!

JediMaster said:

ufoclub said:

I'm not a dj! This looks like job for "T"....

look up in the sky, on prince.org, on housquake.com, on alt.music.prince.... It's T!


confuse Really? I could have sworn you were! I must be confusing you with someone else! Sorry!
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Reply #48 posted 11/11/05 3:21pm

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MikeMatronik said:

ufoclub said:

You should make a digital transfer of the real vinyl off of a good turntable to a cdr and then share so we can hear what it was meant to sound like.



Wasn't the original master and mastering used in the 1994 release?


Yes it was. The original 1987 release sounds identical to the 1994 issue.
It wasn't remastered or altered in any way (which is why the 1994 CD still
sounds a bit thin and quiet... just like Sign O The Times)
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Reply #49 posted 11/11/05 3:24pm

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Since the CD came out, is the bootleg LP even worth anything?

I mean, the whole appeal of the bootleg is that it was NOT available. Seems like as soon as became available, the appeal of the LP would be cut down dramatically.

If they were different, like remixes or alternate takes, then I would understand.
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Reply #50 posted 11/12/05 2:24am

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Se7en said:

Since the CD came out, is the bootleg LP even worth anything?

I mean, the whole appeal of the bootleg is that it was NOT available. Seems like as soon as became available, the appeal of the LP would be cut down dramatically.

If they were different, like remixes or alternate takes, then I would understand.

2 some buyers the bootleg LP, may have some historical importance, and definitely if its the original LP. I don't remeber how much the original lp is woth but it was a very high amount of money!! But it all depends on how much an collecter will pay... A Rich Prince Fan smile
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Reply #51 posted 11/12/05 6:56am

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I used to try to get my hands on all the "collector" stuff (promos, tour books, etc.) I don't know if it's because money got tight, or because I was tired of having memorabilia around, but now I concentrate only on music.

Meaning, once the CD came out, I had no need for the LP. I'm after the cleanest, highest-quality music.
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Reply #52 posted 11/12/05 8:32am

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What does it look like?


See below lol
[Edited 11/11/05 2:46am]

I most definitely have a fake one then.
But the sound is quite good
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Reply #53 posted 11/12/05 9:48am

kinke

i got the version that came out in 94'
but i was sai that it's not the real version tho. they said the real one came out in 88'
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Reply #54 posted 11/12/05 11:12am

temecula

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does any of u own the black album? If u do is it:
1987: Illegal LP-vinyl album, which did get out in original shape in europe.
1994: Legal limited-cd release.
1987 -> x: Illegal copies of the LP-vinly release.
P.S. Maybe it's not wise to tell if u do...? (!) ...or does anyone (the WB label legal device) really care so many years after?

P.S (2) Do anyone know how much money the original release of the black album (from 1987, LP-vinyl) is worth circa??


I have a vinyl LP and a 94 CD. The CD sounds better. I will keep both until I die , then I will will them to my family
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Reply #55 posted 11/12/05 12:11pm

Thumparello

The lp sucked bad!!! Glad he never officially released it. Sounds like a bunch of demo crap.
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Reply #56 posted 11/12/05 1:07pm

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Thumparello said:

The lp sucked bad!!! Glad he never officially released it. Sounds like a bunch of demo crap.


he DID officially release it.
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Reply #57 posted 11/12/05 3:05pm

Zelaira

STupid me I just realized I have the official Cd from Warners brothers. God,I am so Dense... lol
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Reply #58 posted 11/12/05 3:44pm

babynoz

I have it on cassette. lol
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Reply #59 posted 11/12/05 8:39pm

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BorisFishpaw said:

Thumparello said:

The lp sucked bad!!! Glad he never officially released it. Sounds like a bunch of demo crap.


he DID officially release it.



and in no way did it suck , the 1st half in particular is da bomb , le Grind and Cindy C are classic tracks , classic !
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