Heiress said:

If it ever gets too much.

It's been such a HATE against THE JEHOVAH"S . Many fans have spoken that they DON'T like the whole vibe. I do think Prince is Calm and stuff and probably get's Freaked that we are so DEVOTED . I wish he would stop telling us to stop IDOLIZING him Cause I for one will never stop and he doesn't have to be a PERFECT PERSON Just a TRUTHFUL/Fair Person. No One EXPECTs PRINCE to BE SUPERHUMAN. He doesn't Realize we love him and just would like to KNOW THE TRUTH. He will always be THE GREATEST in My OPINION MUSICIAN / SHOWMAN. He is the ONLY PRINCE and VERY UNIQUE!!! His fans should be Nicer to each other,less Hostile and Greddy,COMPETIVE. We are ALL HIS FANS!!! Peace

RepoMan said:

Hey, I realize this has been a good and heated discussion, but there is really no need for you to post pictures of yourself wearing your favorite shirt.
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skywalker said:

I dont always agree with P's religious stances but my reservations fall to his great musicianship.

Exactly,you are on target. NOT all of Prince's friend's are JEHOVAH WHITNESSES and he doesn't try to Convert Celebrities. I don't think he expects his fans to ALL CONVERT. He has found a Religion that has Worked for him and if another wants to convert well maybe they will. He doesn't SHUN People who aren't Interested. There is no Brainwashing . Purely Free Will.

Zelaira said:

ok , whose kidnapped the real ,sex-crazed lovably loony Zelaira and replaced her with this normal individual whose speaking perfect sense then , come on , confess !

RepoMan said:

I know that

U asked me if i even listen 2 the lyrics ..... of course i do ..... as i said TRC is one of my least favourite albums coz of all that "LYRICALLY" ..... "MUSICALLY IT"S VERY GOOD THOUGH" ,there are about 5 tunes on it i really love

Would u agree with me Repo if i said that i dont think there is another album of his anything like TRC (religion wise)?? ..... obviously there have been many references to god & the church over the years BUT not in such a confined space as 1 album.
Tha we can agree on surely

I don't think I'm a hypocrite when it comes to the JW thing. I think that religions overall are full of hypocrisy. It doesn't matter whether he's a JW, Muslim, Jew, Catholic or whatever--I don't really want to hear about it in the lyrics. If I wanted overt religious-ness in my music I would buy Gospel. That said, I can overlook the Love is God/God is Love stuff from Lovesexy and the Acknowledge Christ & the Father from Everlasting Now, I really like Lovesexy (the album) and Everlasting Now (song). I understand that even some of his songs that aren't blantantly religious have religious subtext (e.g. I Would Die 4 U), but I just don't like being preached to (that's why I don't go to church!)... The only album that I feel borders on that is TRC and I have to admit, it's not one of my favorites, but I think that has more to do with the racial content of the lyrics. (but that's another thread entirely...)

"I don't think I'm a hypocrite when it comes to the JW thing. I think that religions overall are full of hypocrisy. It doesn't matter whether he's a JW, Muslim, Jew, Catholic or whatever--I don't really want to hear about it in the lyrics. If I wanted overt religious-ness in my music I would buy Gospel. That said, I can overlook the Love is God/God is Love stuff from Lovesexy and the Acknowledge Christ & the Father from Everlasting Now, I really like Lovesexy (the album) and Everlasting Now (song)."




So I hear you saying that, up until "the Rainbow Children" you were able to, more or less, ignore Prince's religious/spiritual messages. You kind of swept it under the rug.

You say Prince's messages weren't blatant-I think they were often blatantly Christian.

Consider:

-"The Lord's Prayer" in "Controversy".
-" 4 the tears in your eyes"
-"God"
-"I would Die 4 U"
-The message at the end of "Darling Nikki"
-"The Cross"
-"Anna Stesia"

-Purple Rain tour: The 20 minute interlude of Prince "talking to God", or switching the lyrics to "purple rain" (yes in 1985) to "...let the Lord guide you to the Purple Rain..."


I could go on, but my point remains the same. Prince has always been singing about a Christian God and Jesus and been Christian . However, now because he has drifted to the beliefs of a specific denomination, fans panties are all in a bunch.

Prince's message hasn't changed, yet I have seens a lot of ugliness come from fans, stemming from ignorance and predjudice, directed towards Jehovah's Witnesses. Again, I thought Prince fans were more open minded. Is anyone hear friends with a Jehovah's Witness? Does anyone hear even know any Jehovah's Witnesses outside of them coming to your door? I mean, I hate when the damn kids come to my door to get me to buy a dollar candy bar for their organization, but I don't hate all kids because of it.

If you don't think that the dude has been preaching/singing about Jesus since 1981 then you have most definitely had the blinders on. If you chose to ignore it, that is about you and not Prince.
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I dont think i have ever been a hypocrite when it comes to P , i love his music & always will ..... his beliefs r his own as r mine & the fact of the matter is i was never a massive fan of TRC but the lyrics & references to JW did not make me angry or affect me in any personal way other than i dont like the album as much as many other P albums.

The simple truth is that a good song is a good song wether it has a religous edge or not , The Cross has always been one of my favourite tunes of all time ..... quite honestly , P can sing about whatever he likes as i have liked 95% of EVERYTHING he has done period !!

Long live as the king is dead

I think you may have misunderstood a lot of what I meant. I'll try to clarify:

skywalker said:

spelling edit
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if you review my posts on the org I think you will see that I've NEVER said anything derogotory about Prince being a JW or about JW-ism in general. My ex-boyfriends grandmother was a practicing JW. I don't judge people by the "groups" they belong to--I judge them on their character, and the way they treat me. I don't care what religion he is (or isn't) I just would prefer that he keeps it out of his music.

I did not mean you personally, nor was this meant to be in reference to you specifically. I hope you were not offended. No harm was meant.

skywalker said:

No worries, but since your entire post seemed to be in response to mine it sort of seemed that you included me with those fans who hate on JWs. I wanted to make sure it was noted that I am not a "hater".

RepoMan said:

Yeah. Close. -> Minded, of course.
And I sincerely don't give a fuck.
It's not up to me to decide someone else's belief.

Prince doesnt seem to like gay people, but yet he has alot of gay fans.