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Thread started 08/12/05 1:01pm

JediMaster

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51 Hours

Okay, the official story is that this was a track by "Diamond & Pearl", but it's pretty obvious that its Carmen rapping it, so what is the story here? Was Carmen originally intended to be Diamond, and later replaced when P decided to expand on her rapping career? (stop laughing. I know Carmen rapping is funny, but I'm asking a serious question here).

This is one of the holes in my Prince knowledge that I'm trying to fill here (hey, I said knock it off with the laughing! I mean it!)
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Reply #1 posted 08/12/05 1:53pm

dawntreader

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i love Carmen's rapping so i ain't laughing.
yes SIR!
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Reply #2 posted 08/12/05 2:48pm

metalorange

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Article on the '51 Hours' promo vinyl 12" (1992)

© Record Collector magazine

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Reply #3 posted 08/12/05 3:08pm

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dawntreader said:

i love Carmen's rapping so i ain't laughing.



Surely you meant "wrapping". Then again it's what's underneath that counts. razz
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Reply #4 posted 08/15/05 6:25am

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Okay, so no one knows of Carmen was the orginal "Diamond"?
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Reply #5 posted 08/15/05 7:24am

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According to The Vault:

Australian techno producer Mark Forrester recorded the basis for this techno-style offering. Prince met him while working at Platinum Studios in April 1992 on the Diamonds and Pearls tour. Prince liked the track and added to the existing recordings by having Diamond and Pearl add a rap amongst other things. The song was actually aired on Spanish radio in the summer of 1992 and was said to be due for release after the Diamonds and Pearls tour.

The song features some Prince vocals, but primarily consists of Diamonds and Pearl rapping over a fast techno beat. A 12-inch release, featuring a longer verion of the track, was prepared but never released. This version places greater emphasis on Prince's vocals and has a few additional lyrics.
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Reply #6 posted 08/15/05 7:54am

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metalorange said:

According to The Vault:

Australian techno producer Mark Forrester recorded the basis for this techno-style offering. Prince met him while working at Platinum Studios in April 1992 on the Diamonds and Pearls tour. Prince liked the track and added to the existing recordings by having Diamond and Pearl add a rap amongst other things. The song was actually aired on Spanish radio in the summer of 1992 and was said to be due for release after the Diamonds and Pearls tour.

The song features some Prince vocals, but primarily consists of Diamonds and Pearl rapping over a fast techno beat. A 12-inch release, featuring a longer verion of the track, was prepared but never released. This version places greater emphasis on Prince's vocals and has a few additional lyrics.



Hmmm, I just don't buy it. That HAS to be Carmen!
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Reply #7 posted 08/15/05 11:59am

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JediMaster said:

metalorange said:

According to The Vault:

Australian techno producer Mark Forrester recorded the basis for this techno-style offering. Prince met him while working at Platinum Studios in April 1992 on the Diamonds and Pearls tour. Prince liked the track and added to the existing recordings by having Diamond and Pearl add a rap amongst other things. The song was actually aired on Spanish radio in the summer of 1992 and was said to be due for release after the Diamonds and Pearls tour.

The song features some Prince vocals, but primarily consists of Diamonds and Pearl rapping over a fast techno beat. A 12-inch release, featuring a longer verion of the track, was prepared but never released. This version places greater emphasis on Prince's vocals and has a few additional lyrics.



Hmmm, I just don't buy it. That HAS to be Carmen!


What? You can't believe that two white girls trying to rap could possibly sound similar?

lol It does sound like Carmen.
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Reply #8 posted 08/15/05 12:07pm

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TheBigBang said:

JediMaster said:




Hmmm, I just don't buy it. That HAS to be Carmen!


What? You can't believe that two white girls trying to rap could possibly sound similar?

lol It does sound like Carmen.


Well, I can't imagine anyone having a rap like hers. It has its own, annoying style that just can't be mistaken.
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Reply #9 posted 08/15/05 5:12pm

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Diamond & Pearl did a mini promo tour on their own. Anyone remember the Subtarania gig at Ladbroke Grove?

I went for a drink with Pearl after that show, and she said they never sang on a thing. So I'm with Jedimaster on this one.
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Reply #10 posted 08/16/05 5:38am

JediMaster

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SquirrelMeat said:

Diamond & Pearl did a mini promo tour on their own. Anyone remember the Subtarania gig at Ladbroke Grove?

I went for a drink with Pearl after that show, and she said they never sang on a thing. So I'm with Jedimaster on this one.


Thanks for the info, Squirrel! This furthers my theory.
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Reply #11 posted 08/16/05 6:14am

susannah

Its so cool when we have witnesses to back up our conspiracy theories!

Its good to get answers!
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Reply #12 posted 08/16/05 6:18am

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JediMaster said:

Okay, the official story is that this was a track by "Diamond & Pearl", but it's pretty obvious that its Carmen rapping it, so what is the story here? Was Carmen originally intended to be Diamond, and later replaced when P decided to expand on her rapping career? (stop laughing. I know Carmen rapping is funny, but I'm asking a serious question here).

This is one of the holes in my Prince knowledge that I'm trying to fill here (hey, I said knock it off with the laughing! I mean it!)



carmen hater! mad
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Reply #13 posted 08/16/05 7:02am

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susannah said:

Its so cool when we have witnesses to back up our conspiracy theories!

Its good to get answers!


confuse

How is it a conspiracy? I'm just wondering if Carmen was originally suppossed to be "Diamond" and Prince decided to go a different route. I don't see any "conspiracy" there.
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Reply #14 posted 08/16/05 7:02am

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XxAxX said:

JediMaster said:

Okay, the official story is that this was a track by "Diamond & Pearl", but it's pretty obvious that its Carmen rapping it, so what is the story here? Was Carmen originally intended to be Diamond, and later replaced when P decided to expand on her rapping career? (stop laughing. I know Carmen rapping is funny, but I'm asking a serious question here).

This is one of the holes in my Prince knowledge that I'm trying to fill here (hey, I said knock it off with the laughing! I mean it!)



carmen hater! mad


I don't hate her. I just find her raps amusing. Her videos were great.
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Reply #15 posted 08/16/05 7:07am

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SquirrelMeat said:

Diamond & Pearl did a mini promo tour on their own. Anyone remember the Subtarania gig at Ladbroke Grove?

I went for a drink with Pearl after that show, and she said they never sang on a thing. So I'm with Jedimaster on this one.



WOW. U went for a drink with pearl razz Man she is fine.
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Reply #16 posted 08/16/05 7:37am

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thesexofit said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Diamond & Pearl did a mini promo tour on their own. Anyone remember the Subtarania gig at Ladbroke Grove?

I went for a drink with Pearl after that show, and she said they never sang on a thing. So I'm with Jedimaster on this one.



WOW. U went for a drink with pearl razz Man she is fine.


Which one was she? I know one of them went on to become that teacher in Buffy The Vampire Slayer that Giles likes before she is killed.
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Reply #17 posted 08/16/05 7:41am

susannah

I think it was Pearl that was in Buffy
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Reply #18 posted 08/16/05 7:41am

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metalorange said:

thesexofit said:




WOW. U went for a drink with pearl razz Man she is fine.


Which one was she? I know one of them went on to become that teacher in Buffy The Vampire Slayer that Giles likes before she is killed.



I dont know either? biggrin But one wqas interviewed a few years ago. She had surgury, but still looked good to go.


All 3 of them (mayte, d and p) rocked the "d and p" tour.
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Reply #19 posted 08/16/05 7:48am

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metalorange said:

thesexofit said:




WOW. U went for a drink with pearl razz Man she is fine.


Which one was she? I know one of them went on to become that teacher in Buffy The Vampire Slayer that Giles likes before she is killed.


It was Diamond.
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Reply #20 posted 08/16/05 7:49am

susannah

50% chance! lol
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Reply #21 posted 08/16/05 7:53am

susannah

http://www.sunnydale-slay...cast2.html

diamond looking rather sparkly

Was it her or pearl that had surgery?
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Reply #22 posted 08/16/05 8:13am

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JediMaster said:

metalorange said:



Which one was she? I know one of them went on to become that teacher in Buffy The Vampire Slayer that Giles likes before she is killed.


It was Diamond.


Nope. It was Pearl. Robia La Morte was Pearl, and she was Jenny Calendar on Buffy. I'm a huge Buffy fan.
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Reply #23 posted 08/16/05 8:14am

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susannah said:

50% chance! lol


Actually, you were right, I was wrong. Robia was Pearl. My bad! boxed
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Reply #24 posted 08/16/05 8:15am

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TheBigBang said:

JediMaster said:



It was Diamond.


Nope. It was Pearl. Robia La Morte was Pearl, and she was Jenny Calendar on Buffy. I'm a huge Buffy fan.


Yup. I screwed up!
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Reply #25 posted 08/16/05 8:15am

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susannah said:

http://www.sunnydale-slayers.com/cast2.html

diamond looking rather sparkly

Was it her or pearl that had surgery?



Proberly both. Iam sure it was the "buffy" one that was interviewed. Her nose looked smaller and she looked like she had botox.
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Reply #26 posted 08/16/05 8:27am

susannah

Ah I see. wasnt sure anyway.

Yeah they do look the same, considering its been a long time! they should have aged!!
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