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but I do know a fair amount of folks my age who like Prince. I certainly don't expect most or all of them to. This generation is getting further and further away from real music as it is.  | |
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vainandy said: purplecam said:
But I firlmy stand by how I felt when I younger, artists should NOT look like me. They should be going out of their way to look completely different than me, as if they came from Planet Ding Dong or something. Damn right! If I want to see ordinary people, I will look out the window and watch them walking down the street.  Now I know that's right!I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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Some people like to recreate history after their own image! It's sad to see Prince fans, who might once have been out there, sitting around like old fogies saying: "remember when.." and "kids these days..." and "that's not music, that's just noise...", "back in my day..."
I lived through the 80s. I was into Prince coz he was an alternative from all the crap that most of my teenage friends were into. The 80s was the most conformist decade I've encountered (save the 50s maybe, but I obviously wasn't around then). And actually, P was not THAT alternative. I mean, I chose an alternative that was on MTV and in the charts (actually, we didn't have MTV in Australia, but the idea's the same). There was REAL alternative music going on that I got exposed to only when I was in my late teens. The 90s, on the other hand, were a time when alternative became mainstream. It opened things up wide, coz the record execs realized that, not only could they not completely control popular taste, they didn't even understand it. Unfortunately, by the mid-90s that had prettty much begun to die, and the late 90s became blandness incorporated, as it has continued to today. But that doesn't mean that alternative music isn't out there. That's my point: in general the mass-consumption music sux. And in general, most teens are more worried about conforming than music-appreciation. That's always been the same. Finally, I'm only talking about my experience, and I'm sure ther are plenty of other stories. It's the media and big business who like to package things into neat, coherent boxes. Life is not organized into decades, and at every point in time, millions of different things are happening to different people "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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well,i became a fan of P. when i was 12 in 1994,maybe the "worst" period 2 become a fan according 2 what a lot of ppl on the Org could say....but it was great also BECAUSE he was so "non-mainstream" and controversial and sexy and..OK STOP! ...i didn't start 2 listen 2 his music just 4 that ,u know...i was 6 when i heard my first Prince's songs,and i liked them then!!
returning 2 the topic's about,i really don't know why most teens (and over) don't get in2 P's music...2 me...it'a puzzle!!!  there's always a  at the end of every rain! | |
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vainandy said: Because the only music they know is bullshit because it has dominated for 15 years. They can't help it, they were born into a bullshit musical era with no signs of change any time soon. Not only that, but P is 47 years old. Not many teens are going to dig someone who's pushing 50. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Well, here's my 2 cents to this matter.
I've listened to Prince since '81. I'm 32 years old and have dug his music through the highs and lows. As a performer, I thought prince was the shit early on in the 80's. I would make tape compilations for friends of various popular songs of the 80's and end the tape with a backwards messages by me (a la Darling Nikki) just for kicks. Yeah, I did that and I admit it. I also remember how it was to dig prince in the 80s. He was considered a fag and I was somewhat underground about my appreciation of his music because of this. I know I shouldn't have been, but c'mon, it was jr. high, so cut me some slack. I would acknowledge listening to his music but didn't overtly publicize it with tshirts and such. But people always talked about him and his music. Hell, I remember the monday after purple rain premiered on HBO the previous Saturday. People at school were talking about the flick (or Appolonia's brests), but it was cool hearing about prince at school. Dude was electric in a funky way. Was his music dancable then? I never really thought so, I always wondered how one would dance to it. And let's face it, to be able to dance a tune in the 80's was paramount. It still is today!!! But I digress, a little bit. Prince was difficult to get into in the 80s because he was so cryptic back then and so secluded. He wasn't out there with itnerviews and such. He was an introvert if ever there was one. And it was cool. You had to study the artist to understand the music, and this was something most couldn't do even back then. In the 90's things got waaay weird. Techno came about, raves were rampant, and grunge found its way into our ears. THe previous mainstream put prince on the backburner. Luckily, a strong fanbase survived. But to put techno (later house) above prince? Sheesh...i know what you're thinking right about now. And that brings me to this other point...prince is a good study in 'musicology'. I know, I know, it sounds corny, but it's true. One may not dig his tunes, but if you take the time to admire the musical breakdown and composition of music in general, few can do it to the extent that Prince does. That wasn't so in past decades, but is oh so true now. Nowadays, music talent is best described by showmanship over art. that's just my opinion, don't believe what I say because I say it. But Usher??!?!?!! SHIT! Don't get me started on that guy. And he's just one of many. Somebody needs to hand a guitar or piano to 95% of the 'artists' out there to see who survives. It's pathetic. Pretty wrapping has always been the case when it comes to distributing music to the masses, but it was become a staple of what it out there today. They are all pretty wrapping of an empty box. I just find it funny that most mainstream listeners of today find a song from say, April of this year, to be so passe or obsolete. That's odd to me, but not unexpected. It's because artists can't be appreciated for what they create, but rather for how they perform and/or look. It's odd, sad, but oh so true. So, why don't teenagers generally like prince? There's an induced laziness among teenagers towards music, that's why. They've become as a whole much more fickle and become easily bored, because of the laziness and quick one hit wonder attitude that record companies have nowadays. Once usher or ciara are gone, there will be someone who dances better, performs crazier, and is prettier to come along. hell, it wouldn't be too surprising to believe that these folks are already in the waiting. Not too crazy to believe at all. I believe that true appreciation of anything requires in depth knowledge of it, and that involves dedicating one to studying into it. With the fickle mentality that most teenagers have towards many things, it's no wonder they dismiss songs and performers so easily, and never take the time to study into someone like prince. [Edited 9/6/05 12:55pm] Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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Well im 17 and some of my friends say he's gay, well at least one. But surprisingly most of them respect him and the fact that i like him. And a few of them actually like some of his stuff.  "Man, the living creature, the creating individual, is always more important than any established style or system" - Bruce Lee | |
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I got into Prince in 2002 when I was 18. In the UK during the 90's you really only heard about Prince if there was some 'Artist Formerly Known As Prince' joke. I remembered that one of his more recent hits (8 years ago!) was The Most Beautiful Girl in The World (reached no 1 here) so I just thought I'd download the song, even though I'd never heard it before, the only actual Prince songs I had heard up until then were 1999 (was re released and made the top ten in Jan 1999) and Party Man, Trust (in Batman). I had always been curious about Prince because he was really quite famous but I'd never heard much of his music. I really liked what I heard and then downloaded more of his music (bought the albums as well, don't worry). I just liked the way he was eccentric and different to artists today and also how he combined different styles of music. However I haven't told one of my best friends that I like Prince, I can just imagine his reaction, he's like most of the youth today, listening to mainstream rap and rnb. I don't mind this type of music, but it's clear there's little depth and emotion in these songs, they often leave you with an empty feeling. | |
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wasitgood4u said: Some people like to recreate history after their own image! It's sad to see Prince fans, who might once have been out there, sitting around like old fogies saying: "remember when.." and "kids these days..." and "that's not music, that's just noise...", "back in my day..."
I lived through the 80s. I was into Prince coz he was an alternative from all the crap that most of my teenage friends were into. The 80s was the most conformist decade I've encountered (save the 50s maybe, but I obviously wasn't around then). And actually, P was not THAT alternative. I mean, I chose an alternative that was on MTV and in the charts (actually, we didn't have MTV in Australia, but the idea's the same). There was REAL alternative music going on that I got exposed to only when I was in my late teens. The 90s, on the other hand, were a time when alternative became mainstream. It opened things up wide, coz the record execs realized that, not only could they not completely control popular taste, they didn't even understand it. Unfortunately, by the mid-90s that had prettty much begun to die, and the late 90s became blandness incorporated, as it has continued to today. But that doesn't mean that alternative music isn't out there. That's my point: in general the mass-consumption music sux. And in general, most teens are more worried about conforming than music-appreciation. That's always been the same. Finally, I'm only talking about my experience, and I'm sure ther are plenty of other stories. It's the media and big business who like to package things into neat, coherent boxes. Life is not organized into decades, and at every point in time, millions of different things are happening to different people 
Isn't it sad seeing Prince fans, who grew up wanting to be in the "new breed," whining and crying about how bad these kids today are? I'm 30, and I discovered Prince in 1983. I've been a fan ever since. Vainandy, I respect your point about 70s and 80s artists looking different and being unique, and I loved that about those artists too, but being 17 the year grunge and gangsta rap broke (1992) I understand why stars started to look like normal people. Those unique stars of the 80s just got to be too unique. Look back at 1992-3: Prince changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol, Michael Jackson was accused of child molestation, Madonna released a picture book of her naked with animals and Vanilla Ice, George Michael quit making videos and retreated from celebrity, Bono became McPhisto or whatever, and all the hair bands sank to cartoonish lows like "Cherry Pie." Kids didn't see these stars as unique artists, they saw them as out-of-touch whackos. And while I love all of those artists, truth be told, they were out-of-touch whackos. Teens wanted artists they could relate to, who felt the same things they did. The angst and confusion of Nirvana, the anger of Ice Cube, and even the quiet self-expression of artists like Sarah McLachlan. People loved artists who expressed what they couldn't, not geeks in red plastic hats singing "Whip It." That's why music is cyclical. When things got too heavy in the late 60s-early 70s, disco and funk happened because people needed to lighten up. Then that party lasted too long and people got hung-over. And after all the grunge rockers and gangsta rappers got too serious and literally started killing themselves or being murdered, people needed to lighten up again. That's why Hanson and NSync happened. So now that party's lasted a bit too long, and it's time for something serious again. Anyway, my long-winded point is: don't crap on the music of any other generation because you don't understand it. It's not meant for you anyway. Absolutely I think Prince is far more talented and vital to music history than, say, 50 Cent. But I can see why a kid would relate to 50 Cent in 2005 and not Prince albums from 20 years ago. One day though they'll understand. Really, when you guys were 14 or 15, how much did you care about the music of 25 years before? Why would a teenager today know Missy Elliott sampled Cybortron? I didn't know the song "Tramp" by Lowell Fulsom when Prince used it for "7." Serious music fans have to have time to discover all that has come before. You're not going to know every record ever recorded when you're 15. In 1985 I loved Prince, I wasn't interested in James Brown and the Beatles. As I got a little older I realized why those artists are legends and I began to dig their music. Hell, I'm a huge Bing Crosby fan. Let teenagers have their moment and discover all the music from yesterday in their own time. After all it's an awful lot to catch up on. And thanks to anybody who read all of the above.  |
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renfield said: wasitgood4u said: Some people like to recreate history after their own image! It's sad to see Prince fans, who might once have been out there, sitting around like old fogies saying: "remember when.." and "kids these days..." and "that's not music, that's just noise...", "back in my day..."
I lived through the 80s. I was into Prince coz he was an alternative from all the crap that most of my teenage friends were into. The 80s was the most conformist decade I've encountered (save the 50s maybe, but I obviously wasn't around then). And actually, P was not THAT alternative. I mean, I chose an alternative that was on MTV and in the charts (actually, we didn't have MTV in Australia, but the idea's the same). There was REAL alternative music going on that I got exposed to only when I was in my late teens. The 90s, on the other hand, were a time when alternative became mainstream. It opened things up wide, coz the record execs realized that, not only could they not completely control popular taste, they didn't even understand it. Unfortunately, by the mid-90s that had prettty much begun to die, and the late 90s became blandness incorporated, as it has continued to today. But that doesn't mean that alternative music isn't out there. That's my point: in general the mass-consumption music sux. And in general, most teens are more worried about conforming than music-appreciation. That's always been the same. Finally, I'm only talking about my experience, and I'm sure ther are plenty of other stories. It's the media and big business who like to package things into neat, coherent boxes. Life is not organized into decades, and at every point in time, millions of different things are happening to different people
Isn't it sad seeing Prince fans, who grew up wanting to be in the "new breed," whining and crying about how bad these kids today are? I'm 30, and I discovered Prince in 1983. I've been a fan ever since. Vainandy, I respect your point about 70s and 80s artists looking different and being unique, and I loved that about those artists too, but being 17 the year grunge and gangsta rap broke (1992) I understand why stars started to look like normal people. Those unique stars of the 80s just got to be too unique. Look back at 1992-3: Prince changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol, Michael Jackson was accused of child molestation, Madonna released a picture book of her naked with animals and Vanilla Ice, George Michael quit making videos and retreated from celebrity, Bono became McPhisto or whatever, and all the hair bands sank to cartoonish lows like "Cherry Pie." Kids didn't see these stars as unique artists, they saw them as out-of-touch whackos. And while I love all of those artists, truth be told, they were out-of-touch whackos. Teens wanted artists they could relate to, who felt the same things they did. The angst and confusion of Nirvana, the anger of Ice Cube, and even the quiet self-expression of artists like Sarah McLachlan. People loved artists who expressed what they couldn't, not geeks in red plastic hats singing "Whip It." That's why music is cyclical. When things got too heavy in the late 60s-early 70s, disco and funk happened because people needed to lighten up. Then that party lasted too long and people got hung-over. And after all the grunge rockers and gangsta rappers got too serious and literally started killing themselves or being murdered, people needed to lighten up again. That's why Hanson and NSync happened. So now that party's lasted a bit too long, and it's time for something serious again. Anyway, my long-winded point is: don't crap on the music of any other generation because you don't understand it. It's not meant for you anyway. Absolutely I think Prince is far more talented and vital to music history than, say, 50 Cent. But I can see why a kid would relate to 50 Cent in 2005 and not Prince albums from 20 years ago. One day though they'll understand. Really, when you guys were 14 or 15, how much did you care about the music of 25 years before? Why would a teenager today know Missy Elliott sampled Cybortron? I didn't know the song "Tramp" by Lowell Fulsom when Prince used it for "7." Serious music fans have to have time to discover all that has come before. You're not going to know every record ever recorded when you're 15. In 1985 I loved Prince, I wasn't interested in James Brown and the Beatles. As I got a little older I realized why those artists are legends and I began to dig their music. Hell, I'm a huge Bing Crosby fan. Let teenagers have their moment and discover all the music from yesterday in their own time. After all it's an awful lot to catch up on. And thanks to anybody who read all of the above. | |
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ThePunisher said: renfield said:
Isn't it sad seeing Prince fans, who grew up wanting to be in the "new breed," whining and crying about how bad these kids today are? I'm 30, and I discovered Prince in 1983. I've been a fan ever since. Vainandy, I respect your point about 70s and 80s artists looking different and being unique, and I loved that about those artists too, but being 17 the year grunge and gangsta rap broke (1992) I understand why stars started to look like normal people. Those unique stars of the 80s just got to be too unique. Look back at 1992-3: Prince changed his name to an unpronouncable symbol, Michael Jackson was accused of child molestation, Madonna released a picture book of her naked with animals and Vanilla Ice, George Michael quit making videos and retreated from celebrity, Bono became McPhisto or whatever, and all the hair bands sank to cartoonish lows like "Cherry Pie." Kids didn't see these stars as unique artists, they saw them as out-of-touch whackos. And while I love all of those artists, truth be told, they were out-of-touch whackos. Teens wanted artists they could relate to, who felt the same things they did. The angst and confusion of Nirvana, the anger of Ice Cube, and even the quiet self-expression of artists like Sarah McLachlan. People loved artists who expressed what they couldn't, not geeks in red plastic hats singing "Whip It." That's why music is cyclical. When things got too heavy in the late 60s-early 70s, disco and funk happened because people needed to lighten up. Then that party lasted too long and people got hung-over. And after all the grunge rockers and gangsta rappers got too serious and literally started killing themselves or being murdered, people needed to lighten up again. That's why Hanson and NSync happened. So now that party's lasted a bit too long, and it's time for something serious again. Anyway, my long-winded point is: don't crap on the music of any other generation because you don't understand it. It's not meant for you anyway. Absolutely I think Prince is far more talented and vital to music history than, say, 50 Cent. But I can see why a kid would relate to 50 Cent in 2005 and not Prince albums from 20 years ago. One day though they'll understand. Really, when you guys were 14 or 15, how much did you care about the music of 25 years before? Why would a teenager today know Missy Elliott sampled Cybortron? I didn't know the song "Tramp" by Lowell Fulsom when Prince used it for "7." Serious music fans have to have time to discover all that has come before. You're not going to know every record ever recorded when you're 15. In 1985 I loved Prince, I wasn't interested in James Brown and the Beatles. As I got a little older I realized why those artists are legends and I began to dig their music. Hell, I'm a huge Bing Crosby fan. Let teenagers have their moment and discover all the music from yesterday in their own time. After all it's an awful lot to catch up on. And thanks to anybody who read all of the above. I agree... I'm 22 and I can't stand stereotypes about young people everyone is not the same...I was on the org...back in the day...(when it was black and purple) and in the Holy River Chat room(s)(those were fun!)when I was 15 and I remember how shocked evryone was that a "youngin'" was as into Prince as I was,and I've been a fan since I was a small child. People shouldn't be so quick to say "they" don't do this or that...give people time...it's just a preference from what they have been exposed to...think of what the music industry is now...blech. People like what they like and sometimes they change and sometimes they don't. I never thought when I was 14 that I would be singing opera and getting ready to go to grad school for ethnomusicology....I barely knew what real opera was about.People get older and their point of view changes,period. I still love Prince,AND Janet Jackson AND N.E.R.D AND Bill Withers AND Gustav Mahler, it is possible to love what you love and develop new loves along the way. This convo has been brought up so many times that I'm surprised it keeps getting recycled. It's just silly to me. | |
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im 20 and i joined here and on HQ last a while ago my *Official loving prince mark* lol, but i haved loved him ever since TLC came out with the remake of If i was ur girlfriend back in da day lol. | |
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vainandy said: Because the only music they know is bullshit because it has dominated for 15 years. They can't help it, they were born into a bullshit musical era with no signs of change any time soon. It's a pity that they've been caught up in the commercialism of their era. Really, there's nothing keeping them from liking anything older than themselves... I was heavily into classic cinema and standards, myself, as well as Prince, Duran Duran & other 80s folks. But back in the day when Gen X were teens, we had magazines like "tiger beat" and the like, but not this full array of products especially marketed to teens of today... "teen people," "teen elle," and all the beauty products, clothes, foods, etc... It seems that back in our day, people were either kids or adults and there wasn't this worship of everything adolescent... But here, we are dealing with the spoiled brats of the baby boom generation, and their children are "special" in every way, and thus apparently need all sorts of "special" things... including music, performed by people practically their own age, who don't know what the heck they are doing. Music has become just one more marketing scheme, and it no longer in any way resembles art. It's refreshing to see some non-conformists here... to know that they still exist. Bravo, kids. | |
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GoldenGlove said: I don't know if i can forgive... they think he's just some washed up "pop star"
 but they using his beats and sounds. and when i show them old shows they thinking it is today and now... thats was in da 80ties. still than they get respect.... |
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Aerogram said: This attitude is not a teenage thing. Lots of older folks find Prince "gay" and don't like his music. He is not as commonly accepted as, say, the Rolling Stones, Stevie Wonder or The Beatles, even though he combines aspects of all three. If you are a Prince fan, it's just your lot in life to know what the majority of people don't suspect. Prince was never really mainstream -- even when he was having huge hits, he wasn't everybody's cup of tea.
i agree i'm 16 and alot of ppl my age like hendrix and the stones compared to prince.not me ! once i really got into prince i always wanted to be considered as dark and mysterious i may tell u how i'm feeling but i like to hide this like prince. even though i am a chicka i love and respect prince.he's so sexy and he's one of the greatest influences in life life right now. | |
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Anxiety said: GoldenGlove said: I don't know if i can forgive... they think he's just some washed up "pop star"
well, there are other teenagers who get into 80s music...you're just mixing with the wrong kids.  I'm one of those 80s teenagers!!!!  [Edited 9/7/05 15:58pm] Everytime I comb my hair
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im 19 and ive know P for sometime, my oldest bro was into him a little back in the day and so was my sister. But ive only recently gotten into him more, and just realised how much of his stuff i have heard b4 but not realised it was P.
My friends all dig Prince which is a really good thing! but most of my friends have the same sorta musical tastes which is even better! Receiving transmission from David Bowie's nipple antenna. Do you read me Lieutenant Bowie, I said do you read me...Lieutenant Bowie | |
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[Edited 9/7/05 18:52pm] i agree, without sounding snobby, lets face it we are 1 breed preserved 2 apppreciate him | |
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Could you blame us? I mean honestly,most kids are hearing about artists(some which Mtv considers new even though they're already on their 3rd cd) from Mtv and Mtv2. That's how I got hooked on Prince. Mtv barely spots Prince now..I only saw the music video for musicology at 6:30 in the morning when I was getting ready for school everyday.
Kids in my grade have no idea who Prince IS! Well I've pretty much introduced his music to half of my friends so at least they know the basics like..assless pants,women and purple rain. | |
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Renfield...i respect what you wrote.
Good retort, man....good retort. Walking alone in the dark, I see nothing u see
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cuz... they don't know real music... They're young and dumb and not open minded. Paul G II
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1purple said: hey i love prince and i'm 15 turnin' 16 .....and my so called friends of mine...they call prince gay and stuff...they also try to shoot paint balls at my wall wherei put prince pix.on it..and i'm was pissed off....and now i'm not there friends ne more....b.c they are mean like that....soo i love prince alot more then alot ...soo plz be nice
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I can totally relate. I got into Prince 10 years at the age of 13. My friends teased me all the time for drawing his symbol all over my backpack, notebooks, pencil case, and everything else I owned. At the time, everyone at my school thought he was beyond weird, because his name was a symbol, he wasn't talking to the media, and his music wasn't as commercially successful. Also, he was "old" by their standards, and a "has been". But, I fell in love with him, and was intrigued by his unique style and heartfelt song lyrics. The song "Dolphin" from The Gold Experience really touched my life at that time, and I made no apologies for that. Of course, they'd tease me even more when I tried to stick up for him, and they said I was just as weird. Maybe I am, but I think it's a good thing! Now, some of those same people think Prince is cool, simply because he's back in the spotlight, and we're at an age where we're supposed to like "weird and edgy" musicians. I guess they considered him to be cool when it was convenient! Wanna hear me sing? www.ChampagneHoneybee.com | |
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I think it is radios fault. Prince doesn't get a lot of airplay anymore. Teens mainly get introduced to music on the radio first and it is a rare occasion when I hear Prince on the radio - especially recent Prince music. Occasionally music from the Purple Rain era will get airplay but not much of the new stuff. Meanwhile, other artists get airplay over and over again - until you can't stand it any longer. Are there cities in the U.S. where Prince gets a lot of airtime cuz its not happening in my city. | |
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shy1 said: Are there cities in the U.S. where Prince gets a lot of airtime cuz its not happening in my city.
Not here either.I never once heard musicology on the radio...only call my name and that was once on a smooth jazz radio station. | |
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vainandy said: Because the only music they know is bullshit because it has dominated for 15 years. They can't help it, they were born into a bullshit musical era with no signs of change any time soon. AMEN!!!!! Some of these kids don't even know what a f*ckin' snare drum is... It's shameful. | |
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I am introducing more and more of my 15 / 16 year old friends to Prince everyday... they all like "a million days" "when doves cry" & "my name is prince" | |
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