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PrintableAntonioFargas said:  Very well said.totally disagree.... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: AntonioFargas said: Very well said.totally disagree.... That doesn't suprise me at all... | |
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AntonioFargas said: sosgemini said: totally disagree.... That doesn't suprise me at all... well, this is the deal..you can agree to disagree on issues..but judging someone and calling them out like that is totally inappropriate.. we are all free to have our own opinions..and express them on this board. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: AntonioFargas said: That doesn't suprise me at all... well, this is the deal..you can agree to disagree on issues..but judging someone and calling them out like that is totally inappropriate.. we are all free to have our own opinions..and express them on this board. I can live with that. [be civil edit - luv4u] Offending words being "[flame bait edit - luv4u] and you should be embarrased just to utter suh an ignorant statement
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notice he called the statement dumb and not the person....
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sosgemini said: notice he called the statement dumb and not the person....
and watch the name calling..we have a strict no can do policy on that here... thanks..  for sosgemini. Advocate for Sensitive Orger's Rights
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Well SOS, to be honest I thought the reply given by "dumbass" was quite rude and not very repectful for my opinion. I chose not to be offended, but that was only after having noticed this person's nickname.
He/she didn't even read my post well, because I said "new music mostlyjust doesn't make an impact like that anymore when you're older". But it is nice to learn that you cannot call someone dumb in here, but that it is allowed to trash someones opinion. Really sophisticated! All of course IMHO... RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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AntonioFargas said: sosgemini said: notice he called the statement dumb and not the person....
and watch the name calling..we have a strict no can do policy on that here... thanks.. for sosgemini. Advocate for Sensitive Orger's Rights
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funkaholic1972 said: Well SOS, to be honest I thought the reply given by "dumbass" was quite rude and not very repectful for my opinion. I chose not to be offended, but that was only after having noticed this person's nickname.
He/she didn't even read my post well, because I said "new music mostlyjust doesn't make an impact like that anymore when you're older". But it is nice to learn that you cannot call someone dumb in here, but that it is allowed to trash someones opinion. Really sophisticated! All of course IMHO... i totally agree.....but we cant over moderate this place then nobody would want to post...the line drawn is that we cant flame others....and if you find the comments offensive then report the post to a moderator and let them take care of it....putting down the org doesnt have anything to do with this issue....we will work with you if you feel someone has crossed the line... theres a lot of grey when it comes to moderating...the obvious violation was with the comments that got snipped..this aint no consipiracy folks.. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: AntonioFargas said: for sosgemini. Advocate for Sensitive Orger's Rights
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sosgemini said: funkaholic1972 said: Well SOS, to be honest I thought the reply given by "dumbass" was quite rude and not very repectful for my opinion. I chose not to be offended, but that was only after having noticed this person's nickname.
He/she didn't even read my post well, because I said "new music mostlyjust doesn't make an impact like that anymore when you're older". But it is nice to learn that you cannot call someone dumb in here, but that it is allowed to trash someones opinion. Really sophisticated! All of course IMHO... i totally agree.....but we cant over moderate this place then nobody would want to post...the line drawn is that we cant flame others....and if you find the comments offensive then report the post to a moderator and let them take care of it....putting down the org doesnt have anything to do with this issue....we will work with you if you feel someone has crossed the line... theres a lot of grey when it comes to moderating...the obvious violation was with the comments that got snipped..this aint no consipiracy folks.. I agree with the risk of overmoderating thing you state here, and I admit I might have overreacted a little in my previous post. We're cool.  RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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funkaholic1972 said: sosgemini said: i totally agree.....but we cant over moderate this place then nobody would want to post...the line drawn is that we cant flame others....and if you find the comments offensive then report the post to a moderator and let them take care of it....putting down the org doesnt have anything to do with this issue....we will work with you if you feel someone has crossed the line... theres a lot of grey when it comes to moderating...the obvious violation was with the comments that got snipped..this aint no consipiracy folks.. I agree with the risk of overmoderating thing you state here, and I admit I might have overreacted a little in my previous post. We're cool. thanks for understanding...and it looks like we were misreading antonio's initial post..per he; calling dumbass dumbass was just him calling him by his alias... 
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sosgemini said: funkaholic1972 said: I agree with the risk of overmoderating thing you state here, and I admit I might have overreacted a little in my previous post. We're cool. thanks for understanding...and it looks like we were misreading antonio's initial post..per he; calling dumbass dumbass was just him calling him by his alias...
to error is to human...apologies..didnt notice his screen name.
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I apologize for 'crossing a line'with my statements to... Dumbass.
When I read the post, I took the reply to funkaholic1972's statements as being dumb assed in nature. Then a poster with the alias of 'Dumbass'... had made the statements... I kinda went with the theme and made some 'smart assed' (which are typicaly much harsher and sharp to the point) comments in response. That was dumb assed on my part... I could have easily have said the same thing in another way. BUT.... I must state this... it is a VERY thin line between calling someones ideas or statements stupid, ignorant, dumb or what ever and not be infering those derogatory characteristics to the person who made the original statements. If I say you are stupid.. that is a direct insult. If I say 'what you said' is stupid... that is an indirect insult. Bottom line... both are insults. As a moderator you don't want to 'overmoderate' the forum...but when YOU have made comments on one side of an argument as a poster... you should not then put on the moderators cap and edit statements regarding the argument... esp those made supporting the opposing view. There was no question my statements were un-appropriate... but... there were enough question's about the approriateness of Dumbass's comments to suggest ...if you are to be fair.. you edit one.. you edit both. When one person made comments like "you should be embarrased just to utter suh an ignorant statement" its not much different than saying "You are ignorant for uttering such a statement".... a VERY thin line. I know I crossed a line... but the other comments were on the line. If you mderate one..you MUST moderate both... esp since it looks questionable considering you made statements yourself which supported the ones of the person on the line. But this is your forum... you moderate as you choose... but it doesnt read well. | |
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"i cant speak for jilly but that isn't the case for me....i know this takes away your oppurtunity to pontificate but your analogy just doesnt add up....
music is *art*...your supposed to question your reaction to it.....it has nothing to do with "enjoyment"..some of my favorite films and music are not appreciated for their enjoyment but for the emotional responce that i experienced when viewing/listening... for me, i dont even muster an emotion when listening to most of prince's new music....reflection and i love you but i dont trust you anymore being the rare exceptions..." Enjoyment comes from emotional responses to art/music/etc. You are telling me that you are not going to listen to Prince music for some type of enjoyment? What for then? Whether to make you cry, purge, think, angry, smile, or dance, art is, by in large, made to be enjoyed. If it wasn't, you wouldn't go/listen/see. You said some of your favorite films are enjoyed for the emotional response experienced when listening/viewing. This works to prove my point. Example: When I was younger I thought that "Goonies" was the greatest movie ever made in history. Nowadays, I see that it's not such a great movie, but the emotional response is still there. If Goonies came out now, I'd not have the same response and would not enjoy it nearly as much. I bet if "Purple Rain" was released today it'd hit you differently than it did when you were younger-that's life. The point is is that Prince is only partly responsible for how you respond to his music. I'd say most of it is up to you. Prince's songs often are of the same stuff that they used to be, but hearing some corny ass Prince ballad when you are 15 can make you fall in love with it, but hearing a corny ass Prince ballad when you are 35 can make you puke. Now is that Prince's fault? Nope. He does what he wants and it's up to you to respond. [Edited 8/6/05 21:30pm] "New Power slide...." |
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"....I guess I didn’t express myself very well if you’re thinking I’m merely jonesing to be 17 and unjaded again. In simple terms, I’m looking for a slightly larger quantity of quality music....:
1st of all- quality of music is a personal taste. If I was to say that Prince's best 5 years were 1996-2001 how would you prove me wrong? If I were to say that "New Power Soul" made me feel better than anything on "Purple Rain", would you call me a liar? Yeah, people thought you were longing for the (yours and Prince's) past when you entitled the post-"Will P ever make me (us) feel that way again?" How long have you been a Prince fan? 2+ decades? Is your brand new car as appreciated 5 years after you bought it? No. You are used to it. You see it's flaws. You've driven it 1,000 times. Prince isn't gonna startle you with his 20th album like he did with his third. Is it because he is a worse songwriter/musician/producer?? I'd say no. You could argue that point, but a more likely answer is that Prince is actually more talented now than ever, but that you are used to it. You take it for granted. Just like how your signifigant other has to try harder after 10 years of marriage to get you going than he/she did the in the 1st 10 days of the relaionship. That's life, don't blame Prince. "New Power slide...." |
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Things change and people change. Like Prince said himself in an interview: If he kept writing albums like he did back in the day people would get bored with it. Then again there are so many songs in his 'vault' that would probably give you that feeling but unfortunately they won't see the light of day until he's 6 feet deep.  What more can say at the end of the day. " Computer Virus Infected My DNA " www.Dwaun.com | |
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dopemine said: Things change and people change. Like Prince said himself in an interview: If he kept writing albums like he did back in the day people would get bored with it. Then again there are so many songs in his 'vault' that would probably give you that feeling but unfortunately they won't see the light of day until he's 6 feet deep.
who's asking for prince to create music similiar to what he did years ago? people are simply wanting to be engaged with the same excitement and passion...the music doesnt have to sound the same..  Space for sale... | |
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skywalker said: "....I guess I didn’t express myself very well if you’re thinking I’m merely jonesing to be 17 and unjaded again. In simple terms, I’m looking for a slightly larger quantity of quality music....:
1st of all- quality of music is a personal taste. If I was to say that Prince's best 5 years were 1996-2001 how would you prove me wrong? If I were to say that "New Power Soul" made me feel better than anything on "Purple Rain", would you call me a liar? Yeah, people thought you were longing for the (yours and Prince's) past when you entitled the post-"Will P ever make me (us) feel that way again?" How long have you been a Prince fan? 2+ decades? Is your brand new car as appreciated 5 years after you bought it? No. You are used to it. You see it's flaws. You've driven it 1,000 times. Prince isn't gonna startle you with his 20th album like he did with his third. Is it because he is a worse songwriter/musician/producer?? I'd say no. You could argue that point, but a more likely answer is that Prince is actually more talented now than ever, but that you are used to it. You take it for granted. Just like how your signifigant other has to try harder after 10 years of marriage to get you going than he/she did the in the 1st 10 days of the relaionship. That's life, don't blame Prince. once again, your missing my point. if prince releases he art then he has to expect people to respond to it..(wither positive or negative)...and if people find the music uninspiring and emotionally dead then thats their right to express that. prince is free to do and say what he wants...just as people are free to comment that the art created is emotionally dead. has nothing to do with age or times passed. Space for sale... | |
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jillybean said: The SOTT thread has me thinking...
I remember the first time I heard songs such as "Controversy", "DMSR", "She's Always In My Hair" or "17 Days" and I remember being completely smitten with each by the end of the first verse. I really like the songs "Everywhere", "The Marrying Kind", and "ICP&C", but will he ever make me feel the way I did when I heard some of his earlier stuff for the first time? I guess I haven't felt "it" since christening "TGE". i became a fan in 1998....he was already needing some of that viagra. so i cant relate   | |
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A thread like this always brings the typical responses (excuses) that I HATE.
It's always ppl coming in with one of the following: "It's not Prince's fault if you don't let yourself appreciate Prince's new music." "Prince can't just repeat albums like Purple Rain or else he'd get bored. You have to accept that he must grow as an artist." (even though no one said they wanted a repeat of a specific sound) "We're too old and jaded now to ever appreciate new Prince music the way we used to back in the day. It wouldn't even matter if a new album of his was as brilliant as his 80's stuff because we still wouldn't be satisfied with it." All of these reasons are pure, 100% bullshit. The fact of the matter is that the majority of Prince's new music just isn't as impressive, inspired and innovative as it once was. Usually, nowhere even close. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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Yes. Actually all it takes is his presence, a simple midnite jam or a full blown concert and Prince will demand all of our attention. After seeing him live and up close there's no way he's gonna loose it. Prince is the soul man of Funk and when it hits him and he puts it down we will see that none of us has lost anything. | |
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PurpleKnight said: A thread like this always brings the typical responses (excuses) that I HATE.
It's always ppl coming in with one of the following: "It's not Prince's fault if you don't let yourself appreciate Prince's new music." "Prince can't just repeat albums like Purple Rain or else he'd get bored. You have to accept that he must grow as an artist." (even though no one said they wanted a repeat of a specific sound) "We're too old and jaded now to ever appreciate new Prince music the way we used to back in the day. It wouldn't even matter if a new album of his was as brilliant as his 80's stuff because we still wouldn't be satisfied with it." All of these reasons are pure, 100% bullshit. The fact of the matter is that the majority of Prince's new music just isn't as impressive, inspired and innovative as it once was. Usually, nowhere even close. Purple Knight: "Musicology" is better than "Sign O' the Times" and Prince post 1994 is better than Prince pre 1994. Prove me wrong. Oh you can't? That's because the fact of the matter is how impressive, innovative, and inspired Prince is or isn't is ALWAYS A MATTER OF OPINION. I am sure you don't like some arguments used to defend Prince's new music. The point is this- why should anyone have to defend it at all? When it comes to Prince's new music, you can choose not to buy it, you can choose to hate it, but in the end, what you think and feel about Prince's music (or any other art) is simply your opinion. So no "Prince is not as inspired, or is less impressive, or innovative" statement is ever going to be cool with some because it's not something you can ever prove. My truth is that when I look at Prince's music I don't see great rifts and vallyes of greatness and shitiness. It's all about the same to me. There is some stuff I like more and some I like less, but I am not going question Prince's tastes and decisions just as I won't question yours. So you don't like Prince's new material. Fine. But to state as a fact that new Prince now sucks based simply on the reason that you don't like it is lame. I don't like it so it sucks is a weak argument. [Edited 8/7/05 0:50am] "New Power slide...." |
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My point is that I think it's pathetic when we the fans are blamed for not feeling moved by Prince's newer output, as if it's simply some type of psychological pitfall we're experiencing rather than an honest opinion of the quality of the new music. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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For the first time (yes,i'm late to the game) I've been getting ahold of prince bootlegs from the 83-87 pereiod lately and I am completely blown away by some of this stuff, just like I was in the 80s. The fact of the matter is that Prince is not producing the same quality work. He's just not! That's not say he doesn't have his moments, but he just doesn't do anything DARING at this point. I choose to believe that he still has it in him and maybe he will access that part of himself again, but Musicology? Fake, lite-jazz of News and The Rainbow Children? I don't think so. He needs to drop the over-the-top christian bullshit, cause it's holding him back. He needs to dump that Rhonda chick from the band, she's great player, but she's not a great player for Prince. She was SO BORING on Musicology, I couldn't believe it. Remember Mark Brown, people? He needs to have meaningful musical relationships with people who will say NO to him and act as editors and intelligent soundboards, instead of these on the job 'yes master' studio musicians that have been his band since NPG started. New Prince music mostly sucks, and it's not me it's him. He's not living up to his promise or his talent. [Edited 8/7/05 5:58am] | |
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Speaking of new Prince music, I am not a member of NPG Music Club but someone here on the org posted a link and I made it through to the "soundboards" where you can listen to samples before you download new music. I see now that I was wise not to join because, from what I heard, that was the worst shit that I have ever heard from Prince.
My favorite Prince era is from 1978-1984 and I am very quick to down a lot of the stuff afterwards. However, the stuff afterwards was good and it was enjoyable, it was just a disappointment to me because I was fortunate enough to grow up on much better Prince material. The shit I heard on the samples on the NPG Music Club soundboards was absolutely the worst shit I have ever heard come from Prince. For an artist that is quick to talk about the current artists which are tired ass hip hoppers with their no instrument playing asses, everything I heard from those samples was tired ass midtempo hip hop sounding "hippetty dippetty" bullshit. If this is any indication of the type of music that Prince has in store for his next album, he can keep that shit. Even a tired album like "Parade" with boring ass orchestras and classical music had it's good moments. The shit on the NPG Music Club made "Parade" sound as good as "1999". The shit I heard reminded me of "New Power Soul". . . [Edited 8/7/05 4:43am] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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PurpleKnight said: My point is that I think it's pathetic when we the fans are blamed for not feeling moved by Prince's newer output, as if it's simply some type of psychological pitfall we're experiencing rather than an honest opinion of the quality of the new music. Exactly! We grew up with the best.....Prince. We are used to champaigne and we are not happy when we are served beer. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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"Remember Mark Brown, people?"
Brown Mark, huh ? How much did he even play extensively on any Prince album? Did Rhonda play on "Musicology"? Do you have any idea what Brown Mark played on the albums? Because he wasn't very mindblowing live (Prince has had many better bassists than Brown Mark) and it sounds like you just threw out his name arbitrarily. " He needs to have meaningful musical relationships with people who will say NO to him and act as editors and intelligent soundboards, instead of these on the job 'yes master' studio musicians that have been his band since NPG started." You make it sound like you know the day to day inner workings of how Prince records inside and out from the last 20 years or so. The fact is that you are simply speculating as to Prince's recording techniques (editors, soundboards, yes men,etc). Isn't tit doucumented that Prince has most always been the master of what, when, and where he records and that he has always been in complete control? This is NOT something that started with the inception of the NPG. After reading several biography's and touring Paisley Park, it seems as if Prince's recording techniques have been very consistant since the beginning. He mostly records alone and takes occasional input from band members, not really from editors or soundboard engineers. "New Prince music mostly sucks, and it's not me it's him." Prove it. A more accurate statement would be- "I don't like Prince's new music." The bottom line is that there are people that like Prince's new music ALOT. Some will live and die upon "The Rainbow Children". Some people love Prince's new music. That being the case, all signs point to it being you, not Prince. And that's okay. You don't like Prince's new music. You don't like his sound, his style, whatever. That is all on you. It's just an opinion, not fact. It's not Prince's problem that you don't like his new music. Some people don't like his old stuff either. My brother hated the "Purple Rain" album. Did Prince "suck" then? Did he "suck" when he made it? My brother might say yes. Is he right? Of course not. Oh, Prince only "sucks" when you don't like what you are hearing? See? It's about you and your response to the art. [Edited 8/7/05 9:32am] "New Power slide...." |
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dopemine said: Things change and people change. Like Prince said himself in an interview: If he kept writing albums like he did back in the day people would get bored with it. Then again there are so many songs in his 'vault' that would probably give you that feeling but unfortunately they won't see the light of day until he's 6 feet deep.
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skywalker said: "Remember Mark Brown, people?"
Brown Mark, huh ? How much did he even play extensively on any Prince album? Did Rhonda play on "Musicology"? Do you have any idea what Brown Mark played on the albums? Because he wasn't very mindblowing live (Prince has had many better bassists than Brown Mark) and it sounds like you just threw out his name arbitrarily. " He needs to have meaningful musical relationships with people who will say NO to him and act as editors and intelligent soundboards, instead of these on the job 'yes master' studio musicians that have been his band since NPG started." You make it sound like you know the day to day inner workings of how Prince records inside and out from the last 20 years or so. The fact is that you are simply speculating as to Prince's recording techniques (editors, soundboards, yes men,etc). Isn't tit doucumented that Prince has most always been the master of what, when, and where he records and that he has always been in complete control? This is NOT something that started with the inception of the NPG. After reading several biography's and touring Paisley Park, it seems as if Prince's recording techniques have been very consistant since the beginning. He mostly records alone and takes occasional input from band members, not really from editors or soundboard engineers. "New Prince music mostly sucks, and it's not me it's him." Prove it. A more accurate statement would be- "I don't like Prince's new music." The bottom line is that there are people that like Prince's new music ALOT. Some will live and die upon "The Rainbow Children". Some people love Prince's new music. That being the case, all signs point to it being you, not Prince. And that's okay. You don't like Prince's new music. You don't like his sound, his style, whatever. That is all on you. It's just an opinion, not fact. It's not Prince's problem that you don't like his new music. Some people don't like his old stuff either. My brother hated the "Purple Rain" album. Did Prince "suck" then? Did he "suck" when he made it? My brother might say yes. Is he right? Of course not. Oh, Prince only "sucks" when you don't like what you are hearing? See? It's about you and your response to the art. [Edited 8/7/05 9:32am] eeks young padiwon....we are just sharing our perspective..you cant really agrue against someone's reaction.... Space for sale... | |
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