murph said: lilgish said: I belong to this and many MJ Boards.....I'm an orger first and foremost though
Why do Prince fans hate MJ?, I know, another Prince/MJ thread http://www.mjj2005.com/ko...rince&st=0 my name on this board is rheumatism, though I didn't respond to this post. I see another orger is also a part of this forum. Funny, as they get into whether P is Black or not [Edited 7/24/05 18:11pm] If you read my post, you could see that I have just as much respect as i do for Mike that i do for Prince...Hell, I even had to shut down a Prince fan who said that Prince was a better dancer than Mike. But, my point for posting the response is that a lot of the MJ fans on there only deal with the surface when it comes to MJ...I was riding more with MJ on the Off The Wall album and on the early Jacksons tours...I was still riding with him with Thriller...The only leg that some of the MJ fans have to stand on with MJ in their mind (and it's the wrong leg) is the fact that Thriller was at one point the highest selling album of all time...If I wanted to speak up for Mike and if I was real MJ fan, i would just use the fact that from his time in the J5 to Thriller, no one could see him on the stage...He was the greatest song and dance man EVER! But when people on the MJ Board start using his KING of Pop credentials to make their point that MJ is better than Prince, I have to step in...I could respect their opinion if they were using valid points...That's why P trumps MJ...His fans just don't get it... I like mike better, I don't argue mike is better for the simple reason he didn't make sign 'o' the times. The argument could still be made before P dropped signs, once he dropped signs and mike dropped Bad, it was over. Mike shoulda stepped up his game after thriller. | |
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lilgish said: murph said: If you read my post, you could see that I have just as much respect as i do for Mike that i do for Prince...Hell, I even had to shut down a Prince fan who said that Prince was a better dancer than Mike. But, my point for posting the response is that a lot of the MJ fans on there only deal with the surface when it comes to MJ...I was riding more with MJ on the Off The Wall album and on the early Jacksons tours...I was still riding with him with Thriller...The only leg that some of the MJ fans have to stand on with MJ in their mind (and it's the wrong leg) is the fact that Thriller was at one point the highest selling album of all time...If I wanted to speak up for Mike and if I was real MJ fan, i would just use the fact that from his time in the J5 to Thriller, no one could see him on the stage...He was the greatest song and dance man EVER! But when people on the MJ Board start using his KING of Pop credentials to make their point that MJ is better than Prince, I have to step in...I could respect their opinion if they were using valid points...That's why P trumps MJ...His fans just don't get it... I like mike better, I don't argue mike is better for the simple reason he didn't make sign 'o' the times. The argument could still be made before P dropped signs, once he dropped signs and mike dropped Bad, it was over. Mike shoulda stepped up his game after thriller. Respect...I have no gripes that you like Mike better than P because you seem like a sensible fan...But remember, Mike released Thriller and sat on it for five years...So really, (in my opinion) you really can't make the point that he was beating P before Sign...But I'll tell you this: If Mike challaged himself and released a few more albums in the '80s (The highly underrated Triumph doesn't count..people need to give that album more fucking props), it would have been an ugly fight...MJ in his prime was no joke.... | |
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fuck'em both...
They both are getting on my nerves lately. Two old ass men....both playin' with children. One marryin' them.....the other...havin' "sleep overs". Where is a Papa Joe ass whoopin' when you need one? | |
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Rhondab said: fuck'em both...
They both are getting on my nerves lately. Two old ass men....both playin' with children. One marryin' them.....the other...havin' "sleep overs". Where is a Papa Joe ass whoopin' when you need one? for the record, Snuggles Fabric Softer is the sexiest... and did i read somewhere up there that people actually find mj sexy? dont make me get my Snuggle Bear after themmmm Space for sale... | |
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Rhondab said: fuck'em both...
They both are getting on my nerves lately. Two old ass men....both playin' with children. One marryin' them.....the other...havin' "sleep overs". Where is a Papa Joe ass whoopin' when you need one? Too fucking hilarious..... | |
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murph said: Rhondab said: fuck'em both...
They both are getting on my nerves lately. Two old ass men....both playin' with children. One marryin' them.....the other...havin' "sleep overs". Where is a Papa Joe ass whoopin' when you need one? Too fucking hilarious..... Here is another one...very hilarious...I had to say something... quote: ----- Originally posted by Dwan Cross Venturing a bit off topic here, but it's always amusing to think that Prince actually won an Oscar (Stevie Wonder's win, on the other hand, in the same year can actually be taken seriously). Prince won the trophy against two other nominees instead of the usual four. And the category he won it for was so insignificant, the Academy discontinued it as a whole the very next year. ----- Murph says: ????? I like you, but I think you need to stop sniffing glue...That's the first time I've ever heard anyone discounting Prince's Oscar for Purple Rain...The truth is P forced the Academy to change because before his win, they refused to recognize "commercial rock or pop" for their awards..Prince winning was a watershed moment in pop culture history and it was shock for the staunch and stuffy Awards....Being a Stevie Wonder fan, most people would say that "I Just Called to Say I Love You" was not his finest work...That's just the type of middle of the road, non-threatening movie music that the Academy were known to go for...Prince's win was a shock to the blue bloods of the movie industry...It was changed because of that...You can't take anything away from Prince just because Mike doesn't have an Oscar (LOL). ---- You're looking at the rhythm arrangement of the song which is not the same as the actual composing of the song. --- Murph: No I'm looking at writing and composing...at MJ's prime he was flanked by collaborators..read the credits love.... Who's going crazy? Are you accusing Michael of falsifying information in his album booklets? In the times I've seen Prince (either on TV or live in concert), I've only seen him play the guitar and the keyboards, but I don't question his ability the play the other 99 instruments he supposedly can just because I've never seen him do so. Why is Michael held to a lower (or higher, depending on your point of view) standard? ----- Murph---No, I'm accusing Mike of embelllishing the truth, just a little...I can strum a guitar and hold one note and say that I play guitar...i can beat on the drum machine and say that I played the drums...Stop making Mike into something that he's not...He doesn't need that to add to his legacy...It doesn't add or take away from his iconic legacy...The fact that Prince is a musician doesn't make him better than Mike...Frank Sinatra, Sarah Vaugn, Elle Fitzgerald, ect.... ect.... did not play instruments and they were no less greater than Stevie, Sly, the Beatles ect.....That's not what makes Prince better than Mike in my opinion... I just look at the body of work of both artists and come to my conclusion when it comes to MJ and Prince....And by the way...there are plenty of documentaries and DVD bootlegs that show Prince playing everything...bass, drums, keys, and guitar...I do not subscribe to the 'Prince can play 99 instruments jazz...He plays the basic shit that you hear on almost every record recorded today... _____ Keith Murphy [Edited 7/25/05 17:58pm] | |
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Rhondab said: fuck'em both...
They both are getting on my nerves lately. Two old ass men....both playin' with children. One marryin' them.....the other...havin' "sleep overs". Where is a Papa Joe ass whoopin' when you need one? "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Ellie said: Thing you've gotta realise about Jacko fans is that all the communities online are different. ALl his fans are different. mjboard.com is generally for the younger types, new fans who yap on about shit like "What's your fav MJ song? Who here likes Billie Jean? I do" and utter WANK like that.
lol! I just imagined someone saying that like "omg! who here likes billy jean!?!?!?! I DOO!I first heard it in GTA:Vice City!" | |
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roddiekay said: Ellie said: Thing you've gotta realise about Jacko fans is that all the communities online are different. ALl his fans are different. mjboard.com is generally for the younger types, new fans who yap on about shit like "What's your fav MJ song? Who here likes Billie Jean? I do" and utter WANK like that.
lol! I just imagined someone saying that like "omg! who here likes billy jean!?!?!?! I DOO!I first heard it in GTA:Vice City!" OMG!! that is what they DO say!! | |
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One may wonder why Michael Jackson, only released two albums in the 1980's
Well sure he was an perfectionist, but lets not forget so are Prince!! and Prince released 10 albums, which were all rich and varied. Prince is an true artist, and entertainer, voted for no 1 front figure in rock. MJ is more of an entertainer, seems more shallow, not that much 'bout the art... [ The Beautiful Ones
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++plus Prince also made tons of unreleased songs, and created three bands and their music: The Time Vanity6 Apollonia6 and The Family. The Beautiful Ones
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Nice work 4 One Man Baby 'm a Starr The Beautiful Ones
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Those guys know what they're talking about. That forum just has better postings!
If releasing more albums than Michael has is somehow a sign that Prince is better, then damn, I guess Madonna is better too, as well as Michael's kid sister. And if critics say that Michael hasn't broken any new ground with his last few albums, they couldn't possibly say anything different about Prince. "Newpower Soul" is nearly a throwaway. "N.E.W.S." is ridiculous. The less said about "The Rainbow Children," the better. The last track on "Come" is the sound of a woman having an orgasm (that's not music; that's pornography). And as good as "Musicology" is, it's still loaded with variations of songs Prince has been doing for decades ("What Do U Want Me 2 Do" is a ripoff of "If I Was Your Girlfriend").
The only impressive thing to me about Prince's dancing abilities is that he moves around in heels without falling flat on his face. The splits?! The detroit crawl?! Please! The Egyptian dance in "Remember The Time," the perfect synchronization in "Thriller" and nearly any performace of "Billie Jean" is but a taste of how easily Michael wipes the floor with Prince in this department. And the "Smooth Criminal" short film (amongst others) blows into the stratosphere any video Prince has ever managed to conjure up. There's a sadness and a feeling of absolute sorrow in Michael's voice on "She's Out Of My Life" that Prince (even on a masterful track like "The Beautiful Ones") has never been able to achieve. Listen to "Butterflies." Listen to "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough." Listen to "Stranger In Moscow" and "Whatever Happens." Prince just can't phuck with vocals like that. [Edited 7/30/05 13:52pm] | |
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dawn74 said: Those guys know what they're talking about. That forum just has better postings!
If releasing more albums than Michael has is somehow a sign that Prince is better, then damn, I guess Madonna is better too, as well as Michael's kid sister. And if critics say that Michael hasn't broken any new ground with his last few albums, they couldn't possibly say anything different about Prince. "Newpower Soul" is nearly a throwaway. "N.E.W.S." is ridiculous. The less said about "The Rainbow Children," the better. The last track on "Come" is the sound of a woman having an orgasm (that's not music; that's pornography). And as good as "Musicology" is, it's still loaded with variations of songs Prince has been doing for decades ("What Do U Want Me 2 Do" is a ripoff of "If I Was Your Girlfriend").
The only impressive thing to me about Prince's dancing abilities is that he moves around in heels without falling flat on his face. The splits?! The detroit crawl?! Please! The Egyptian dance in "Remember The Time," the perfect synchronization in "Thriller" and nearly any performace of "Billie Jean" is but a taste of how easily Michael wipes the floor with Prince in this department. And the "Smooth Criminal" short film (amongst others) blows into the stratosphere any video Prince has ever managed to conjure up. There's a sadness and a feeling of absolute sorrow in Michael's voice on "She's Out Of My Life" that Prince (even on a masterful track like "The Beautiful Ones") has never been able to achieve. Listen to "Butterflies." Listen to "Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough." Listen to "Stranger In Moscow" and "Whatever Happens." Prince just can't phuck with vocals like that. [Edited 7/30/05 13:52pm] I don't agree with the vocal thing, (even on a masterful track like "The Beautiful Ones") has never been able to achieve. Are U The Beautiful Ones
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the beautifull ones, hits ones heart, like no other MJ- i don't find depth in MJ's 'sad' songs, as I do in Prince's, Prince is more -raw -honest -true [Edited 7/30/05 14:06pm] The Beautiful Ones
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Yeah...I've been going back and forth with a lot of the MJ fans...Some of them are surprisingly varied in their music taste( There's a cat on there that's a huge Bowie, Mike and Prince fan and fucks with T. Rex...)...But for the most part, you can hardly have an intelligent conversation about music because a lot of the people on the site our either too young or too obsessed....Here's an example below in the Prince Vs. MJ thread...shit is hilarious....
----- By u-jam 1) I've seen no info on who wrote the[guitar solos for Eddie Van Halen & Slash and Steve Steven) solos. I would love it if you can show me. 2) Prince isnt known for Rock And Roll either atleast for maybe the power ballad Purple Rain.But Beat It, Dirty Diana(both huge singles) are some of MJ's most known songs. IMO they're (along with Give In To Me) better than anything Prince attempted with Rock. MJ does get a lot of love from classic rock fans I've got a lot of friends who's into Deep Purple, Led Zep etc giving props to MJ. The fact is Prince (vocally) cannot deliver a rock song as much as MJ. ----- My answer: Okay, this is a joke, right? Cause if it is, I'm waiting for the punchline....U-Jam, you obviously are out of the loop...When you check out music websites like amazon or I-tunes his '80s albums are mostly described as "rock" ...Yes his base is R&B....But Songs like "When U Were Mind," "Lil Red Corvette" "Paisley Park" "Let's Go Crazy," "Purple Rain," "Computer Blue," "The Cross," "Bambi" ect, are all rock based song...not pop or traditional r&b..Mike is better than Prince at rock?????Now you sound like you have a lifetime pass to Neverland (LOL). And you really should check out a tape of Prince performing the guitar solo to the Beatles' "While My Guitar Gently Weeps"...even Clapton had his mouth open..And Geroge Harrison's son Dhani had looked like a deer in headlights...Rock comes more seamlessly to Prince than Mike...that's just a fact and doesn't diminish Mike's talent... ---- Too crazy...but it's fun posting shit on there... [Edited 7/30/05 14:58pm] | |
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amo84 said: One may wonder why Michael Jackson, only released two albums in the 1980's
Well sure he was an perfectionist, but lets not forget so are Prince!! and Prince released 10 albums, which were all rich and varied. Prince is an true artist, and entertainer, voted for no 1 front figure in rock. MJ is more of an entertainer, seems more shallow, not that much 'bout the art... [ well if u like Michaels music, u would also count the jacksons stuff from the 80's. He was still touring with his bro's, so it wasn't like he was a solo star, I would say M 25 he went solo. | |
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That link on the first post has a megamix for both Prince and MJ that you can download; I actually preferred MJs mix; the Prince mix was a mess...they've gone through 6 rounds of it already with Prince up 3-2-1 (they had one draw)...
EDIT: Here's the link for quicker access... http://www.bombhiphop.com/bend.html [Edited 7/31/05 1:24am] "Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."
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it shouldnt be a battle, it's too subjective, they are both two great respected artists, two legends. Respect for them, and their music, shouldnt compare them. Peace_ [Edited 7/31/05 9:42am] The Beautiful Ones
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I was glad to see that comments were kept civil, excepting the one about Michael not being fit to wipe Prince's ass. That was uncalled for. The two artists are completely different and should not be compared because both are great. But people need to realize that both of them are getting older and are not in their prime anymore. I can understand how some people may try to get a feel for Prince's music and it not doing anything for them, especially over the last few years. In order to really appreciate Prince - that is, to really understand his genious, you had to be a fan from the beginning, or at least the first few years of his career. For newbies trying to get on the bus at this point in time, it may be a little hard to understand the hype. Unless someone more savvy schools them and shows them the way... | |
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