sosgemini said:

Oh my God Vanilla Ice...
He's so fly!

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Exactly
I've always disliked that song and I heard the unrelased version last year and I was like WTF, Its about a 100 times better

I really dont think Tony is as bad as you all make him out to be...it seems one day...many years ago...one person hated it and it caught like wildfire.... Its really NOT that bad..he aint the best, but I dont hate his presence.

MsLegs said:

Mslegs, I have learned over my short time here in the org to pay close attention to your posts as I have found a myriad of purple nuggets of wisdom in your words that consistently represent savy and sound judgement, as well as a depth of experiencial knowledge concerning Prince that is rare even amoungst such funky fam as to be found here. It is with regret that I must for perhaps the first time walk a different path on this post. I absolutely love the way P does that song.

hjd said:

Tis true, Tis true

sosgemini said:

I share creamythighs love for the song though perhaps not her level of indignation from the post that was being reponded to. I guess I simply don't hear in his cover what you have so colorfully described, but rather the hurt and angst over what was an inability to inspire Mayte to see him with the same eyes that she used too. I hear the realization of a love lost and I must admit that it touched me as someone who knows a little about the subject.

Yeshua4all said:

see, and thats exactly what i dont hear..lyrically thats what i hear..but vocally i hear prince being his usual lustful self...expecially that damn ad-libbed ending about throwing up the legs and what not.....

this is a song about somebody actual realizing they have no chance in the world for connection...ever again....its over..the relationship is done..but prince is talking about "thrusting"?






sowwy..it no work.....he needed to sing this song with the same intensity as "sometimes it snows in april" not "i hate you".....

sovembol said:

See for me, it aint that he is sooo bad at what he does, its his presence that I actually do hate. I buy a prince album to listen to prince not him.

yup. I agree that all songs with Tony M contributions are
dragged down by the horrible rapping.

mind you, Tony isn't to blame for that imo. well, ok, his
voice is horrible enough, but it was Prince who decided 2
have him on the tracks and who probably wrote most of the
raps anyway.

I don't think the songs would have been better if another
person had done the raps, like say Cat for example. Those
songs are all just so incredibly dated by those raps.

On their own, they strut along nicely enough and would be
cool to listen to unto this very day. But because of them
horrible raps and over-trying to be hip they ended up the
worst bunch of songs out of his career.

Just think how nice the "Diamonds & Pearls" album wouldve
been if it hadn't had any raps at all. Just some nice and
quirky musical solo's where the raps are now.



I don't understand it anyway. "Gett Off" was the coolest
song on the radio that summer and it features little to
none Tony M, apart from those "23 positions blabla" bits
which would have been cooler had Prince done them too.

Anywho, my point is, with a song like "Gett Off" on his
new album, what the hell was he thinking he needed more
rap for to give him more cred or to make him more hip??

The sickness got a little less on the symbol album, but
even there, whenever Tony pops up, the song sinks into
a tar pit trap of sickening disgust and you just have 2
hit the >>skip>> button quickly.

CrozzaUK said:

but those arent prince albums..they are prince & the npg...

Yeshua4all said:

Hmm....no, I can't agree with you. Prince's cover is not that good. A nice cover of that song is the one that George Michael did. Now that's nice. Prince was cool on that cover, but George Michael trumped him in the end. (Wait, that sounded wrong!)

sosgemini said:

See, I like the way P does that song. Leave it to him to make a break-up song about sex. It's like he's saying "I know I can't make you love me, but howzabout one more for the road". Classic P attitude.

As for songs he's "fucked up", I agree with all the Tony M mentions. Dumbest move P ever did was bringing that guy into his band.

I also think quite a few songs on Emancipation are drawn out just to make the album into a three hour extravaganza. Does "The Human Body" really need to go on and on and on?

As for "Slave" I think the song sucks in comparison to the superior "Slave 2 The System". He shoulda put that one on the album instead.

these are the lyrics...the person who is singing cant convey attitude..they are heartbroken....he aint no pimp..he is a sad and heartbroken soul....

this person is desperate asking for one more night...one more night and its it...and he is begging for his/her lover to show them any emotion, but they know they wont...

the final ad-lib that prince sings is a total contradiction (lyrically) to the entire song..

Oh, I have to mention quite a bit of New Power Soul. The album is a crap-fest, but it COULD have been good.

The title track is half-baked. Needed a little more work.

Mad Sex has potential. Maybe a funky guitar line.

Like Funky Music could have been slamming with a good drummer pounding on it. The drums are tepid and week. Imagine this track if Blackwell had played on it.

Remove tripe like "Shoo Be Doo", "When U Love Somebody" and "Push It Up" and you could have had a tight EP.
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sosgemini said:

But that is what makes it a P song, instead of a retread of the Bonnie Raitt version. Now, don't get me wrong, I think the Raitt version is better, and more true to the lyric's nature, but I like that P is putting a seductive spin on it. Almost as if he's trying to seduce her one more time, so he can make her fall in love with him by pleasing her so well. It is a desperate attempt, but P plays it off as another seduction attempt. On that level, I think it works.

Personally, my favorite version of this song is George Michael's. His take is SO pain-filled, and quite effective.

JediMaster said:

fun lil debate here...

lyrically i cant see it...i just cant....because of this line: "but you wont, you wont"...

thats the line that gives this song its power..IMHO....

kinda like Cher's Believe...lyrically that song would be blahh until she sings, "I dont need you anymore..I dont need you anymore"...It brings a certain vitality and non-desperation to the song that otherwise wouldnt be there...Suprisingly enough Cher hated the song until she herself added those lyrics...she said the song became something entirely different afterwards...

well, same with this song....the author knows its a lost cause..and thats what makes the unrequited request soo heartbreaking.....but prince, prince ignoring the power of "good songwriting" ignores all that.....you cant do that to the lifeline of a song...

JediMaster said:

no, no, no! Bash it all, but i'm not gonna let u bash 'Push It Up'!

The lay out of the Rainbow Children was gagalicious. For example Digital Garden into The Work PT 1 is a nightmare.

The butchered editing on
What do you want me to do? into
The marrying kind into
If I was the man in your life.
I can bash my own head in thank you very much.

Releasing radio friendly music. For example, Rave into the Joy Fantastic beat the snot out of Rave unto the Joy Fantastic. Now, I'm sure Hot with You would have garnered him the attention he sought from radio.

Releasing songs that he's trying to realize a message but it is half baked. Exhibit A - Family Name. Stephen Hawkins banging over the beats. Prince - skip the rest of the track.

BananaCologne said:

Ugh! That song is sooooo atrocious! Not as bad as "Shoo Be Doo" or WULS, but close!

sosgemini said:

That may be so, but if the Revolution managed to keep a respectable distance from the mic, how come the NPG couldnt manage it. What Im saying is if Prince writes a song, Id rather hear him sing it, rather than let one of the NPG come in and butcher it with their own "input". At the end of the day, all these records go on his discography, no one elses, he has control over the output, and he fucked up many songs on those NPG records letting people have too much mic time.

JediMaster said:

JediMaster

BananaCologne said:

"hate leads to anger...." you should know the rest

BananaCologne said:

Not hate, so much as revulsion! "Push It Up" is definitely revolting!

JediMaster said:

...did you ever see him open a gig with it live?

CrozzaUK said:

but there are many fans of prince's who feel the same as you towards The Revolution...

too much involvement from the band...specifically wendy and lisa....

yes, shocking isnt it?

just kidding....and cha know? im starting to understand their frustration...dont agree with em cause i love the colors the revolution painted..but as i understand why you cant stand tony m..i can understand why others cant stand wendy and lisa...

BananaCologne said:

Yeah. It IS better live, but I mainly like the way he segued it into "Jam of the Year". Perhaps its one of those songs, like ILFM, that could be better with some more work on it, but I just don't care for it.

I'd have 2 add "Dead On It." What the f*@# was Prince thinking?
Rappers done let us down? He should have NEVER walked there.
From the 1st line I was embarrassed.

Oliver said:

Oh, but you have to keep in mind the era. Prince didn't say he didn't like rappers, just ones that weren't "dead on it". At the time, there were a few who were talking shit and dogging P, and this song was his tongue-in-cheek answer to them.