laurarichardson said:

Yeah, Shaheed said they were both headtrippin'. Dawn and her late arrivals to rehearsal and gigs and her diva demands and Ray wasn't doling out the paper to their liking.

To this day Shaheed frowns upon talking about his experience as a Lucy Pearl member.

jbell said:

was'nt it party up.

It was Party Up. Morris said that Prince offered him $10,000.00 for the song or he offered to get him a recording contract. Morris took the contract.

Morris has told this story many times.

a tad irrelivant, but just my two cents : born not to know doesn't sound even a BIT like DMSR, and yes i have ears. although the drums @ the beginning do remind me of G-Spot



did morris get a writing cred?

Moonwalkbjrain said:

writing credit for basically all of the albums by The Time, even though Prince wrote most of that material.

muleFunk said:

The Tonies had 4 albums and MJ was the first Black artist to have a vid on MTV.

TheCrucialExperience said:

No in fact Prince was the first black to be aired on MTV the 1999 video was out before the Beat it video! If any one has any information that changes this fact please let me know cuz me and my friends talk about this often.

Scanda1ous said:

Nope, it was Billie Jean, and that was the 1st song by a Black artist to air on MTV.

Octavius said:

wait...doesnt ascap credit prince? its just the album notes that list the time..(and sheila for her albums..)

TheCrucialExperience said:

Correct.

Hotlegs said:

naw, that's real popular propoganda straight out of Neverland.

MJ was the first black artist to be in MTV's heavy rotation with Billie Jean. But before Billie Jean, MTV argued against the racism claim by saying they played videos by "Musical Youth" (Pass the Dutchie) and "The Bus Boys".

This is not to take anything away from MJ. He really did break the barrier for artists of color on MTV. His just wasn't the first video.

Of course Rick James really deserves credit for calling MTV out, which is the main reason they relented and played MJ's video in the first place.

Universaluv said:

Wait a minute...now did they play Musical Youth and Bus Boys FOR SURE or were they just saying that NOT to look like racists?

Prince was first.

Wait a minute...now did they play Musical Youth and Bus Boys FOR SURE or were they just saying that NOT to look like racists?

TheCrucialExperience said:

Well I can't say anything about their motives, although MTV now says that prior to MJ's videos they "never really accepted black artists".


But I remember Musical Youth and The Bus Boys on MTV back in the day. Now they weren't on a whole lot, but they did stand out cause there were soooo few black people on MTV.



Here's your posts...
http://www.pophistorynow....ory_q9.htm

http://designermagazine.t...hINT1.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk...36,00.html

Universaluv said:

Ok, now I see the confusion: Designer Mag and Guardian say that Musical Youth was the first black artists IN the MTV STUDIOS. But it doesn't mention them as the 1st BLACK VIDEO PLAYED. However, Mr. Pophistory says they were the 1st Black artists along with The Bus Boys. Now I'm thinking Mr. Pop History got it confused as well, and they weren't the first Black VIDEOS but rather the first Black artists INVITED TO COME ONTO THE SET OF MTV.

So for now it still looks like the first Black video on MTV was Billie Jean.
[Edited 7/13/05 12:42pm]

Hotlegs said:

naw, that's real popular propoganda straight out of Neverland.

MJ was the first black artist to be in MTV's heavy rotation with Billie Jean. But before Billie Jean, MTV argued against the racism claim by saying they played videos by "Musical Youth" (Pass the Dutchie) and "The Bus Boys".

This is not to take anything away from MJ. He really did break the barrier for artists of color on MTV. His just wasn't the first video.

Of course Rick James really deserves credit for calling MTV out, which is the main reason they relented and played MJ's video in the first place.

SPYZFAN1 said:

I went to high school with the TTT, worked with them on they're second album, and remain good friends and keep in contact with Ray(Rapheal) and Dewayne. If you have the 12in. version of it feels good, I am the guy that does the P-funk inspired speaking part after the rap. My youngest son, and Dewayne's three children attend the same school. I say all of this so that you guys will know that I know what I am talking about, not just spreading speculation. Two of the tonies were in Sheila's band. Rapheal and Tim. The third member was not a primary menber TTT. that person was carl wheeler keyboardist for Sheila's band, and TTT. He's the one that wore the priests' collar.These fellows were in Shiela's touring band for the album "Shiela E" in 86' and early 87'. This group opened for P&the Revolution in Japan. P asked them to join his band when he dissolved the Revolution. He wanted Sheila's whole group to be his new band. Everyone accepted but the guys who would eventually become TTT. They were flatterd, but they wanted more creative control over their music. Not to mention,m ore cash than P was willing to pay at that time. The three got with RAy's brother Dewayne,and their cousin elijah baker, and friend Antron Halle, and 3T was born. The other members of Sheila's band hooked up with what was left of the revolution and became the sign/lovesexy band. That's how it really went down.

SPYZFAN1 said:

I went to high school with the TTT, worked with them on they're second album, and remain good friends and keep in contact with Ray(Rapheal) and Dewayne. If you have the 12in. version of it feels good, I am the guy that does the P-funk inspired speaking part after the rap. My youngest son, and Dewayne's three children attend the same school. I say all of this so that you guys will know that I know what I am talking about, not just spreading speculation. Two of the tonies were in Sheila's band. Rapheal and Tim. The third member was not a primary menber TTT. that person was carl wheeler keyboardist for Sheila's band, and TTT. He's the one that wore the priests' collar.These fellows were in Shiela's touring band for the album "Shiela E" in 86' and early 87'. This group opened for P&the Revolution in Japan. P asked them to join his band when he dissolved the Revolution. He wanted Sheila's whole group to be his new band. Everyone accepted but the guys who would eventually become TTT. They were flatterd, but they wanted more creative control over their music. Not to mention,m ore cash than P was willing to pay at that time. The three got with RAy's brother Dewayne,and their cousin elijah baker, and friend Antron Halle, and 3T was born. The other members of Sheila's band hooked up with what was left of the revolution and became the sign/lovesexy band. That's how it really went down.

TheCrucialExperience said:

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No Dawn said she was not paid and she almost lost her home waiting for Rapheal to pay her. The D.J in the group backed up her story.

wallysafford said:

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Did Gary U.S. Bonds get into major rotation. Not. Mike was the first black artist to have his videos played in major rotation on MTV.

CBS records had to threaten to pull all their videos to make it happen.