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PrintablePurpleKnight said: I'm not saying that it's musically his worst, but it's just that as an album, it's the most annoying one in his entire catalogue.
1. The voice-Jesus Christ! An absolute cancer on the album for sure. This alone is tough to stomach. 2. The overly religious, preachy lyrics-Do I even need to say any more? The whole thing is a JW ad, and has this horribly pretentious "We're right and you're evil" tone all throughout in the lyrics. So basically, I don't care how great the musicianship is or the fact that it's organically produced after all that plastic crap he'd been recording. TRC is still one annoying album to sit through, regardless even of the single gems on it. I don't get how anyone can call it a classic with all of its tedious flaws. Even some of the better songs on it like Sensual Everafter and Everlasting Now are tainted by the album's stubbornly stupid touches, like the Vader voice appearing in the actual songs themselves. [Edited 6/29/05 22:17pm] I mean this in love...but your opinion of the religious under(over)tone would be a prime example of the message behind your signature tagline "...never cast your pearls...." He is making a stand on his "Theo-cratic order" you don't have to agree with it, or even enjoy it, what you see is what you get. unlike previous productions where the message was hidden in riddle. I happy with the shift and enjoyed TRC  ALL THINGS ARE POSSBLE TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE | |
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whodknee said: wallysafford said: Perhaps You should consider correct spelling. The "Princebonics" are silly and weaken your argument immensely...  A word to the wise: Never call anybody on that unless you're prepared to do some serious editing with every post you make. We'll be watching.  Keep watching! I don't use "princebonics",never have... | |
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I am NOT a JW, but the Rainbow Children has NEVER offended me....
as with much of Prince's work, I can take a song and bend it 2 relate 2 something in my own life.. isn't that how u are supposed 2 look at art? know what the artist intended, but look at it with ur OWN eyes? I enjoy TRC very much..... | |
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case in point,
i have a picasso print called "two girls reading" and I think it's supposed 2 b sisters reading 2gether.. but... when i see it, i see my wife and daughter.... it's art... | |
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Anji said: PurpleKnight said: I back up every statement with valid reason and logic. But, u 4get, PurpleKnight, u said previously, "The fact that most non-JW listeners have to tune out the lyrics and pretend they're not hearing the pretension and offensive nature of the songs is just sad. TRC is for JW's only. It's very pretentious. The theocratic order? Shut up, Prince." These hyperbolic statements of urs r patently FALSE. Whichever school u went 2 needed 2 teach u better logic, not 2 mention ur parents, who clearly didn't teach u the value of respect. U r a nineteen year old boy. Perhaps u r 1 of the few who needs 2 tune out the lyrics bcause it is ur narrow mind, which cannot manage having 2 deal with viewpoints other than ur own. U look foolish talking loudly of 'valid reason n logic' when n fact ur hypocritical, prejudiced n HATE-full mindset is here 4 all 2 c. Sit the fuck back down, so that u can b spoon fed. . [Edited 7/1/05 2:18am] cha know...everbody has the right to their own opinion....agree to disagree and move the fuck on.. cause in the end, your not gonna change someone's views of an album..... agree to disagree....and life will be soo nice....wonderful world, paradise...kiss me once, kiss me twice....life could be soo nice....sooo niiiiceee... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini, y don't u direct ur comment 2 the creator of this thread?
love | |
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Anji said: sosgemini, y don't u direct ur comment 2 the creator of this thread?
love i was, hence both your posts being quoted..... Space for sale... | |
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Making the type of hyperbolic, prejudiced judgements this young boy has been spouting is necessarily going 2 b checked.
Eye'm not CONcerned with changing n e 1's view of the record. | |
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mirri said: BeautifulFrance said: Bullshit. TRC is in the top 5 of the best Prince's albums.
1)It is Prince at his best on guitar, bass, keyboards etc (btw how come nearly a single man can produce such a masterpiece ?!!!). 2)First time Prince comes up with a marvelous organic sound like that. 3)Best drum parts ever on a Prince albums. 4)The way the album is built is pure perfection. The last 30 minutes are unforgetable. 5) Some of the best tunes Prince has ever composed : Last december, Family Name, 1+1+1 = 3, sensual everafter, Everlasting now. i couldn't agree more-a true masterpiece After all the crapy albums we have had in the 90's like Diamonds and pearls (walk don't walk !!! Jughead !!!!!) or Rave (the first Prince CD I smashed after two listens), Prince focused on real music on TRC. It was an album highly appreciated by music lovers in Europe. It is probbaly less "american" (too sophisticated for some american listeners). Conclusion : one of the very few only Prince albums I can still listen too without skipping any tune. A masterpiece. Regarding the message : Prince lyrics have almost always been ridiculous so who gives a fuck. It is part of his character.  I agree | |
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Well, based on the comments on this thread, it's definitely Prince's most controversial record.
Feel the love, guys.  | |
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Anji said: PurpleKnight said: I back up every statement with valid reason and logic. TRC is for JW's only. It's very pretentious. The theocratic order? Shut up, Prince.[/b]" I concur. If TRC was exclusively for JWs, it would be a 5 minute disc, if that long. There is a still a number of lyrics that deal with non-JW Christianity, and some references to the new age philosophies he's researched that gave me headaches trying to get the riddles in that. (lol) Prince, expressed some of his newfound beliefs on TRC yes, but he still had his royal badness moments ("while u bring yourself to joy"), just more subtle. If Prince is being pretentious with TRC, then he's still bein' "a rude boy" at heart. . [Edited 7/1/05 2:18am] | |
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Say what you want about the album. The ONA tour that accompanied the album was one of Prince best! 1 over Jordan...the greatest since | |
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onenitealone said: Well, based on the comments on this thread, it's definitely Prince's most controversial record.
Feel the love, guys. I know, I saw some1 said he was TRYING to be controversial...look at this!!! I remember lots of other Rainbow Children threads that turned in2 hundreds of posts too. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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popgodazipa said: Say what you want about the album. The ONA tour that accompanied the album was one of Prince best!
I agree..ONA was AWESOME | |
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MidnightFunk said: popgodazipa said: Say what you want about the album. The ONA tour that accompanied the album was one of Prince best!
I agree..ONA was AWESOME thats a statement i can agree with... Space for sale... | |
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PurpleKnight said: TheBigBang said: I can't say enough how much I love TRC. It is my #2 favorite Prince album of all time.
Someone mentioned skipping tracks. I have to say that TRC is one of only a handful of Prince albums where I can't simply pick a song or two from it to listen to. I have to play it straight through everytime. BTW, let the haters hate. It won't take away any of the joy this album gives me every time I listen to it. And I'm actually an atheist. So whatcha think about that, PurpleKnight? I think you're an atheist who is able to stomach offensive, charmless lyrics. Doesn't make the album any less annoying. BTW I find it ridiculous when ppl say something like "The album's a masterpiece. I just tune out the lyrics." It's like, if an album is truly a masterpiece, should you really have to tune out anything? The fact that most non-JW listeners have to tune out the lyrics and pretend they're not hearing the pretension and offensive nature of the songs is just sad. I didn't find the lyrics either offensive nor charmless. And I don't have to tune out the lyrics or the "Darth Vader" voice. I love everything about the album. Whatever underlying purpose you feel the album is supposed to serve, it is lost on me. I just enjoy it...very much. And as it has been said a few times in this thread, NOTHING is going to change my feelings on the Rainbow Children. Even if someone came out today and said they found backward messages saying, "Kill and eat the children," I would still love the album. |
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TheBigBang said: PurpleKnight said: I think you're an atheist who is able to stomach offensive, charmless lyrics. Doesn't make the album any less annoying. BTW I find it ridiculous when ppl say something like "The album's a masterpiece. I just tune out the lyrics." It's like, if an album is truly a masterpiece, should you really have to tune out anything? The fact that most non-JW listeners have to tune out the lyrics and pretend they're not hearing the pretension and offensive nature of the songs is just sad. I didn't find the lyrics either offensive nor charmless. And I don't have to tune out the lyrics or the "Darth Vader" voice. I love everything about the album. Whatever underlying purpose you feel the album is supposed to serve, it is lost on me. I just enjoy it...very much. And as it has been said a few times in this thread, NOTHING is going to change my feelings on the Rainbow Children. Even if someone came out today and said they found backward messages saying, "Kill and eat the children," I would still love the album. Prince said kill and eat the children backwards? That changes things, I can't listen to TRC anymore!!! | |
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Anji said: PurpleKnight said: I back up every statement with valid reason and logic. But, u 4get, PurpleKnight, u said previously, "The fact that most non-JW listeners have to tune out the lyrics and pretend they're not hearing the pretension and offensive nature of the songs is just sad. TRC is for JW's only. It's very pretentious. The theocratic order? Shut up, Prince." These hyperbolic statements of urs r patently FALSE. Whichever school u went 2 needed 2 teach u better logic, not 2 mention ur parents, who clearly didn't teach u the value of respect. U r a nineteen year old boy. Perhaps u r 1 of the few who needs 2 tune out the lyrics bcause it is ur narrow mind, which cannot manage having 2 deal with viewpoints other than ur own. U look foolish talking loudly of 'valid reason n logic' when n fact ur hypocritical, prejudiced n HATE-full mindset is here 4 all 2 c. Sit the fuck back down, so that u can b spoon fed. . [Edited 7/1/05 2:18am] Wow, what an angry rant. I'm a 19 year old "boy" now? First of all, I'm 20. Second of all, my parents are and always were JW's, and I don't have any anger towards them. What I am not fine with are blatant lyrics talking about the theocratic order, because it divides the fanbase and pushes away non-JW listeners such as myself who don't buy into that. It's not just that though. There's pretension in the lyrics with the way he minimizies the holocaust and sings things like "Ain't no room for disagree." I am not hateful at all, and infact you're the only one getting all worked up here and spewing hateful comments. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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XxAxX said: Anji said: PurpleKnight said, "TRC is Prince trying to be more than he's capable of."
Eye blieve ur thoughts r more 2 do with ur OWN prejudices 2wards the JWs. Perhaps u should CONsider ur OWN issues b4 u start ?uestioning the artistic capabilities of Prince. love no. the album lyrics are outright offensive in places. if prince can't understand why people would feel this way he's lost whatever insight he might have had I'll take Musicology or even C&D (but not D&P) over RC's pretentious, self-important blather anyday. His lyrics were always ridiculous, true, but they usually make me laugh with them. | |
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PurpleKnight said:[quote]
What I am not fine with are blatant lyrics talking about the theocratic order, because it divides the fanbase and pushes away non-JW listeners such as myself who don't buy into that. I honestly don't see how it divides the fanbase at all. In what way exactly does he 'divide?' Anytime I run into a Prince fan in public, I ask them if they've heard any of his releases in the last five years and get their opinion on it. All the people I've met who have heard TRC have not expressed the same sentiment as you. You can say lyrics like 'theocratic order' bother you, but the only people I've heard express their distaste for it is on this forum. It's not just that though. There's pretension in the lyrics with the way he minimizies the holocaust and sings things like "Ain't no room for disagree." The holocaust reference has been discussed several times on this board since the release of TRC. Prince is not minimizing the effect of the holocaust in singing about it, although it sounds like it. He's simply making a dialogue between the holocaust, slavery and death in the lyrics by asking would u rather be dead, or sold? Then he makes a statement in the context of the song that inevitably forced everyone who hears it to challenge themselves to think about it. Some people want to pretend the holocaust didn't exist. The same with slavery. No one likes to talk about it because it makes u think of all the ill both atrocities caused. My 2 cents on the holocaust reference. Now the "ain't no room for disagree, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3," U don't have to agree with the double or triple meaning that could be conveyed by that. But the mathematical aspect of it is true. [Edited 7/1/05 16:02pm] | |
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PurpleKnight said: What I am not fine with are blatant lyrics talking about the theocratic order, because it divides the fanbase and pushes away non-JW listeners such as myself who don't buy into that.
Absolute rubbish. B sides, y do u need 2 feel a kindred spirit with Prince? He's an artist. Some of the best art n this world is polarising. That's what makes it so captivating. The Rainbow Children is among the best art Prince has ever produced 4 this very reason. It boldly stands n makes no apologies 4 it. n 4 the record, it does NOT push away those non-JW's wise enuff 2 appreciate the messages 4 what they stand 4, rather than take this ridiculously over sentimentalised viewpoint that we all must think as 1. Grow a set of balls. | |
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PurpleKnight said: It's not just that though. There's pretension in the lyrics with the way he minimizies the holocaust and sings things like "Ain't no room for disagree."
"Love is God. God is love. Girls and boys love God above." Could these lyrics not also b CONsidered overly simplistic n pretentious? But let me guess. U have no such isses with Anna Stesia, or Lovesexy, do u? Tell us how u really feel about the JWs, PurpleKnight. love | |
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It still surprises me how few people even try to understand TRC lyrics. They deal with JW because that was where he was at the time, but like any great art they completely relate to the listner, no matter what their beliefs. The same way anyone with a soul can relate to old friends for sale (original) even if you have never hired and fired band members.
This isn't just Prince's best album, it is one of the best pieces of music ever created. :OjitheFanKeybumpersticker: | |
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PurpleKnight said: I'm not saying that it's musically his worst, but it's just that as an album, it's the most annoying one in his entire catalogue.
1. The voice-Jesus Christ! An absolute cancer on the album for sure. This alone is tough to stomach. 2. The overly religious, preachy lyrics-Do I even need to say any more? The whole thing is a JW ad, and has this horribly pretentious "We're right and you're evil" tone all throughout in the lyrics. So basically, I don't care how great the musicianship is or the fact that it's organically produced after all that plastic crap he'd been recording. TRC is still one annoying album to sit through, regardless even of the single gems on it. I don't get how anyone can call it a classic with all of its tedious flaws. Even some of the better songs on it like Sensual Everafter and Everlasting Now are tainted by the album's stubbornly stupid touches, like the Vader voice appearing in the actual songs themselves. [Edited 6/29/05 22:17pm] Someone over at Housequake.com made an edit version of this cd with the narrator's voice edited out. It sounded pretty good.  | |
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Who gives a fuck what you think?
I dig it, and that's all that matters to me, and nothing you say will ever change that. I'm confident in my own opinions...are you? Didn't think so. | |
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PurpleKnight said: Anji said: But, u 4get, PurpleKnight, u said previously, "The fact that most non-JW listeners have to tune out the lyrics and pretend they're not hearing the pretension and offensive nature of the songs is just sad. TRC is for JW's only. It's very pretentious. The theocratic order? Shut up, Prince." These hyperbolic statements of urs r patently FALSE. Whichever school u went 2 needed 2 teach u better logic, not 2 mention ur parents, who clearly didn't teach u the value of respect. U r a nineteen year old boy. Perhaps u r 1 of the few who needs 2 tune out the lyrics bcause it is ur narrow mind, which cannot manage having 2 deal with viewpoints other than ur own. U look foolish talking loudly of 'valid reason n logic' when n fact ur hypocritical, prejudiced n HATE-full mindset is here 4 all 2 c. Sit the fuck back down, so that u can b spoon fed. . [Edited 7/1/05 2:18am] Wow, what an angry rant. I'm a 19 year old "boy" now? First of all, I'm 20. Second of all, my parents are and always were JW's, and I don't have any anger towards them. What I am not fine with are blatant lyrics talking about the theocratic order, because it divides the fanbase and pushes away non-JW listeners such as myself who don't buy into that. It's not just that though. There's pretension in the lyrics with the way he minimizies the holocaust and sings things like "Ain't no room for disagree." I am not hateful at all, and infact you're the only one getting all worked up here and spewing hateful comments. First of all. as I already stated above, I LOVE that album, musically it´s one of my all time favorite albums. Second thing, directed at Paisleypark4...yes,I AM a fan of the funk, and that´s exactly why I don´t like the songs I mentioned..I love the rest of the albumn though... Now to Anji and PurpleKnight...I can´t understand why you´re attacking PurpleKnight like that, especially with your patronizing and insulting choice of words . I don´t even want to get into a discussion about your annoying spelling, I just have a problem with the way you attack people just because they have an opinion..TRC is cool, but as I said before, Prince´s comparison of "beautiful" sounding Jewish names like Rosenbloom and Pearlman as opposed to "ugly" sounding "black" names is ignorant to say the least...those Jewish names were forced upon the Jews by the Germans and Poles..and I´m not exactly an advocate of all things Jewish, I just express my opinion when I feel like it. All in all, I find the music on TRC higly interesting and I also happen to like some of the lyrics and the whole concept of the story behind it... Still, those who don´t like it don´t deserve to be treated the way you treat them. Don´t take it too personally, but I think you´re going a bit too far. " I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?" | |
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I agree hate the CLEAN preachy prince but can't get enough of the preachy PERVE Prince. Same as Madonna it's like he become the thing that he was against, mainstream middle America...can't shock them into church with fishnets get them in by example....boring! | |
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KoolEaze, do u think eye care that PurpleKnight doesn't have the taste 4 The Rainbow Children? Eye don't give a flying fuck if he can't dig it. That's his loss...
However, eye do take xception 2 n e 1 who feels it's acceptable 2 pepper their comments with derogoratory remarks about The Bible, or the JW's. Eye make no apology 4 letting him no xactly what eye think of his nxcusably prejudiced mind. 'Attacking people' bcause they have a different opinion from mine? No. Checking PurpleKnight bcause of his hyperbolic, prejudiced n narrow minded statements? Yes. peace | |
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KoolEaze said: PurpleKnight said: Wow, what an angry rant. I'm a 19 year old "boy" now? First of all, I'm 20. Second of all, my parents are and always were JW's, and I don't have any anger towards them. What I am not fine with are blatant lyrics talking about the theocratic order, because it divides the fanbase and pushes away non-JW listeners such as myself who don't buy into that. It's not just that though. There's pretension in the lyrics with the way he minimizies the holocaust and sings things like "Ain't no room for disagree." I am not hateful at all, and infact you're the only one getting all worked up here and spewing hateful comments. First of all. as I already stated above, I LOVE that album, musically it´s one of my all time favorite albums. Second thing, directed at Paisleypark4...yes,I AM a fan of the funk, and that´s exactly why I don´t like the songs I mentioned..I love the rest of the albumn though... Now to Anji and PurpleKnight...I can´t understand why you´re attacking PurpleKnight like that, especially with your patronizing and insulting choice of words . I don´t even want to get into a discussion about your annoying spelling, I just have a problem with the way you attack people just because they have an opinion..TRC is cool, but as I said before, Prince´s comparison of "beautiful" sounding Jewish names like Rosenbloom and Pearlman as opposed to "ugly" sounding "black" names is ignorant to say the least...those Jewish names were forced upon the Jews by the Germans and Poles..and I´m not exactly an advocate of all things Jewish, I just express my opinion when I feel like it. All in all, I find the music on TRC higly interesting and I also happen to like some of the lyrics and the whole concept of the story behind it... Still, those who don´t like it don´t deserve to be treated the way you treat them. Don´t take it too personally, but I think you´re going a bit too far. There we go. Is it so hard for more ppl to be like this guy, and not say stupid, childish stuff like "Grow a set of balls" or "Sit the fuck down" just cause he disagrees with me? Anji seriously has issues. He pretends to be this guy in Prince's camp and talks exactly like him, then starts with the personal attacks when I voice my opinion on things like the JW's or the way Prince communicated their belief system on TRC. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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PurpleKnight said: I'm not saying that it's musically his worst, but it's just that as an album, it's the most annoying one in his entire catalogue.
1. The voice-Jesus Christ! An absolute cancer on the album for sure. This alone is tough to stomach. 2. The overly religious, preachy lyrics-Do I even need to say any more? The whole thing is a JW ad, and has this horribly pretentious "We're right and you're evil" tone all throughout in the lyrics. So basically, I don't care how great the musicianship is or the fact that it's organically produced after all that plastic crap he'd been recording. TRC is still one annoying album to sit through, regardless even of the single gems on it. I don't get how anyone can call it a classic with all of its tedious flaws. Even some of the better songs on it like Sensual Everafter and Everlasting Now are tainted by the album's stubbornly stupid touches, like the Vader voice appearing in the actual songs themselves. [Edited 6/29/05 22:17pm] Wow,you think so??I love that album. When you wanna give up, don't cause ya' know, you've always got a friend-Tamar BLB | |
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