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Printable murph said: GCS4ever said: Youre dea don - thanks for the words of clarity. The lists would mean more if they were compiled from opinion polls and not a small groups of mostly white and mostly male psuedo hipster nerds that write for these magazines. Besides, any list that places De La Soul ahead of Prince on any level is bogus. INfact, no rap record is better than SOTT or any other Prince album for that matter - and I say that wit the firm belief that PE's It Takes a Nation... is the greatest rap album of all time. Okay...can we stop the hip-hop bashing???? Please....it's one thing to say that hip-hop nowadays is not living up to its past roots, but to say that It Takes A Nation or hip-hop albums in general doesn't match up to any Prince album is laughable, snobbish and just plain out of touch....As I've said in a previous post, the only thing that was more exciting, revolutionary and groundbreaking than Prince was hip-hop....And that says a lot that it took a whole genre to compete with one artist....The thing is, Nation was an incredible, musical, lyrical and political statement across the board...It basically is the reason why a lot of kids fell in love with hip-hop in the first place...and as much i love Sign O The Times (It's still his best album...) don't you think those Spin critics would have picked Purple Rain higher if the list was extended to 25 years? (For all of our love for Sign, Purple Rain is still his statement album for the masses)....'80s hip-hop was just as important as any Prince album or single...I got the same excitement as a 12 year-old listening to 1999 or Purple Rain as I did listening to Grandmaster Flash's "The Message," Run DMC's King of Rock," "Criminal Minded" Eric B and Rakim's Paid In Full and De la Soul's 3 Feet High..... [Edited 6/21/05 14:02pm] IF you think that any hip hop is as relevant as Prince's 80s work then there is no need arguing. All I can say is that era and body of work is what m akes Prince a music icon and legend. He made history in that decade and he has the grammies, an Oscar, and a Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction to chronicle it. Musicians are still covering and studying this work today. Outkast IS Prince if he was a hip hop artist - which is probably why they where there to induct him into the hall. 80s hip hop was the infancy of the genre. It wasnt - and still isnt - developed enough musically to even warrant an intelligent comparison to real popular music with substance. | |
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GCS4ever said: It wasnt - and still isnt - developed enough musically to even warrant an intelligent comparison to real popular music with substance.
No way I agree with that. No way at all. Your comparisons of Prince v. hip-hop are valid. But only one unfamiliar with hip-hop could make such a sweeping statement. Nation of Millions standing ALONE utterly refutes this statement. [Edited 6/22/05 10:02am] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Maybe now WB will have the good $en$e to remaster SOTT....the album sounds like crap! | |
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Around the World in A Day is a better record and took more chances musically,partically after the "Purple Rain" mania in 1985. To change up and come out with a totally different record and sound (but the purple rock sound was still there)and make a psychedelic masterpiece makes a more defeintive statement personally. And Warners should remaster this album with the b-sides. | |
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No Achtung Baby????  | |
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CleopatraJones said: 1999 should have been ranked number one.....it is the best double album of all time with Dirty Mind comming in at a close second....
Whatever happened to the good stuff like that huh? Dirty Mind shouldn't really be considered a pop album only because it's funkier and the production doesn't sound mainstream. I agree, 1999 should've been somewhere on that list. Check me out and add me on:
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Its of the last 20 years so all albums previous to ATWIAD are disqualified. | |
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GCS4ever said: murph said: Okay...can we stop the hip-hop bashing???? Please....it's one thing to say that hip-hop nowadays is not living up to its past roots, but to say that It Takes A Nation or hip-hop albums in general doesn't match up to any Prince album is laughable, snobbish and just plain out of touch....As I've said in a previous post, the only thing that was more exciting, revolutionary and groundbreaking than Prince was hip-hop....And that says a lot that it took a whole genre to compete with one artist....The thing is, Nation was an incredible, musical, lyrical and political statement across the board...It basically is the reason why a lot of kids fell in love with hip-hop in the first place...and as much i love Sign O The Times (It's still his best album...) don't you think those Spin critics would have picked Purple Rain higher if the list was extended to 25 years? (For all of our love for Sign, Purple Rain is still his statement album for the masses)....'80s hip-hop was just as important as any Prince album or single...I got the same excitement as a 12 year-old listening to 1999 or Purple Rain as I did listening to Grandmaster Flash's "The Message," Run DMC's King of Rock," "Criminal Minded" Eric B and Rakim's Paid In Full and De la Soul's 3 Feet High..... [Edited 6/21/05 14:02pm] IF you think that any hip hop is as relevant as Prince's 80s work then there is no need arguing. All I can say is that era and body of work is what m akes Prince a music icon and legend. He made history in that decade and he has the grammies, an Oscar, and a Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction to chronicle it. Musicians are still covering and studying this work today. Outkast IS Prince if he was a hip hop artist - which is probably why they where there to induct him into the hall. 80s hip hop was the infancy of the genre. It wasnt - and still isnt - developed enough musically to even warrant an intelligent comparison to real popular music with substance. Respect...But once again, music snobbery will get you know where...I don't think it needs to be said, but what the hell: Yes, Prince is the greatest artist of his era; yes, Prince towers over his contemporaries; Yes Prince was the most prolific and talented and when it's all said and done, he is the greatest statement artist of his generation....But from a cultural impact, the genre of hip-hop was just as important as Prince and maybe even more...I didn't bring up OutKast because they were not even making records in the '80s...I'm talking the '80s...If you know anything about hip-hop, a lot of hip-hop's biggest statements came out of the '80s era (Too many to name)...And while I agree that the genre was at its infancy in the '80s, that's what made it such a threat to Prince...it's like Led Zepplen dominating the '70s then along comes The Clash, who are a part of a new genre called Punk...Hip-hop was that revolutionary compared to the shit going on in the '80s...You keep thinking in musical-intellectual terms, but music is all about emotions and heart....It's why Dirty Mind kicked a lot of people's asses when it came out...And it's why Run DMC's "Sucker MC's" was the sucker punch that no one saw coming...While there wasn't a hip-hop artist that was as prolific or important as Prince (Run DMC comes close just off of sheer impact on pop culture in general) in the '80s, as a whole, the genre of hip-hop rivaled him.... [Edited 6/22/05 15:11pm] [Edited 6/22/05 15:16pm] | |
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murph said: GCS4ever said: IF you think that any hip hop is as relevant as Prince's 80s work then there is no need arguing. All I can say is that era and body of work is what m akes Prince a music icon and legend. He made history in that decade and he has the grammies, an Oscar, and a Rock n Roll Hall of Fame induction to chronicle it. Musicians are still covering and studying this work today. Outkast IS Prince if he was a hip hop artist - which is probably why they where there to induct him into the hall. 80s hip hop was the infancy of the genre. It wasnt - and still isnt - developed enough musically to even warrant an intelligent comparison to real popular music with substance. Respect...But once again, music snobbery will get you know where...I don't think it needs to be said, but what the hell: Yes, Prince is the greatest artist of his era; yes, Prince towers over his contemporaries; Yes Prince was the most prolific and talented and when it's all said and done, he is the greatest statement artist of his generation....But from a cultural impact, the genre of hip-hop was just as important as Prince and maybe even more...I didn't bring up OutKast because they were not even making records in the '80s...I'm talking the '80s...If you know anything about hip-hop, a lot of hip-hop's biggest statements came out of the '80s era (Too many to name)...And while I agree that the genre was at its infancy in the '80s, that's what made it such a threat to Prince...it's like Led Zepplen dominating the '70s then along comes The Clash, who are a part of a new genre called Punk...Hip-hop was that revolutionary compared to the shit going on in the '80s...You keep thinking in musical-intellectual terms, but music is all about emotions and heart....It's why Dirty Mind kicked a lot of people's asses when it came out...And it's why Run DMC's "Sucker MC's" was the sucker punch that no one saw coming...While there wasn't a hip-hop artist that was as prolific or important as Prince (Run DMC comes close just off of sheer impact on pop culture in general) in the '80s, as a whole, the genre of hip-hop rivaled him.... [Edited 6/22/05 15:11pm] [Edited 6/22/05 15:16pm] There is nothing hip hop that stands up to anything Prince did. Its just that simple. All the psuedo intellectual babble requires a real education to be valid | |
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GCS4ever said: murph said: Respect...But once again, music snobbery will get you know where...I don't think it needs to be said, but what the hell: Yes, Prince is the greatest artist of his era; yes, Prince towers over his contemporaries; Yes Prince was the most prolific and talented and when it's all said and done, he is the greatest statement artist of his generation....But from a cultural impact, the genre of hip-hop was just as important as Prince and maybe even more...I didn't bring up OutKast because they were not even making records in the '80s...I'm talking the '80s...If you know anything about hip-hop, a lot of hip-hop's biggest statements came out of the '80s era (Too many to name)...And while I agree that the genre was at its infancy in the '80s, that's what made it such a threat to Prince...it's like Led Zepplen dominating the '70s then along comes The Clash, who are a part of a new genre called Punk...Hip-hop was that revolutionary compared to the shit going on in the '80s...You keep thinking in musical-intellectual terms, but music is all about emotions and heart....It's why Dirty Mind kicked a lot of people's asses when it came out...And it's why Run DMC's "Sucker MC's" was the sucker punch that no one saw coming...While there wasn't a hip-hop artist that was as prolific or important as Prince (Run DMC comes close just off of sheer impact on pop culture in general) in the '80s, as a whole, the genre of hip-hop rivaled him.... [Edited 6/22/05 15:11pm] [Edited 6/22/05 15:16pm] There is nothing hip hop that stands up to anything Prince did. Its just that simple. All the psuedo intellectual babble requires a real education to be valid I think I articulately pointed out my opinion on hip-hop and Prince...Once again, while there wasn't a hip-hop artist that was as prolific as our boy (Prince set the bar in the '80s), there were certainly hip-hop albums that rivaled the man's best work...Intellectual babble? Nah homie...The truth is Public Enemy's Nation stands up to anything Prince EVER put out...You don't even have to like hip-hop to respect that album...The truth is Run DMC's self-titled debut was as innovative as Dirty Mind or 1999...That's not psuedo intellectual babble...I'm a black man that grew up on the south side of Chicago....You wanna know why the young black nation listened to Run DMC, NWA, Public Enemy, Eric B & Rakim and Straight Outta Compton. They struck such a cord with the youth because they were poets of the '80s Crack Age.Prince really didn't start talking about issues that dealt with black folks until his verse in "Sign O' The Times... I indentified with PE because growing up in segregated Chicago in the '80s, I experienced a lot of the shit Chuck D was talking about...Intellectual babble has nothing to do with being slammed on a car by cops because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time..I could give a fuck what some snobbish white dude says at Spin...I don't have to listen to Spin to know that hip-hop was a huge part of my life (along with Prince)...As much as it sucks today, Hip-hip is still the most important musical genre to come out in the past 30 years...And yes...as a genre it rivaled and at times eclipsed P in the '80s... [Edited 6/29/05 10:43am] | |
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GCS4ever said: There is nothing hip hop that stands up to anything Prince did. Its just that simple. All the psuedo intellectual babble requires a real education to be valid Chuck D is a college graduate. He was the voice of PE's Nation of Millions, which stands up to anything Prince has done. You should really avoid broad stereotyping of forms of music you clearly know nothing about. Prince doesn't have a "real education," yet we both acknowledge his genius, so that says what? [Edited 7/1/05 6:22am] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Best Rap Record-2Pac's "All Eyez on Me!"
Best Rock Record-Nirvana's "Nevermind!" Best Prince Record-"Sign O The Time!" Best Acoustic Record- Alanis Moursette's "Jagged Little Pill!" Best Britney Spears Record.....NONE!(and that settles it!) | |
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Hey thats great for Prince. For him to not be some Radio Top 40's Whore to get some respect and love when you create different and new stuff thats pretty nice!! 
I think we wont see anytime really ever in major radio play a person that tries something new and completely different! That time is past. major radio gets worse & worse.  | |
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