whodknee said:

im going to agree with everything you've just said (except for the highlighted part..hehehehe.

and your statement about the three of them working together..i hate how people say, "oh..been there, done that"....and i guess they say it because prince himself has made comments to that effect in the past.

but, these people have grown musically.....i think it would be earth shattering to hear what they can come up with today. one song. just one song would please me.

Well said sos. That highlighted part is crap though. I've been a fan BEFORE Wendy and Lisa and a fan after. There's no denying the influence and the magic they created as a trio and Prince himself back in the day mentioned that they would tell him when something sounded like something he'd already done and he'd put it away in the vault.

all three are geniuses in their own right.....and nobody should ever deny synergy like that.

I love U2! And Bono is dead on it. Now, all I have to do is get a ticket for U2's May 7 concert here in Chicago.

U2 is only the SECOND greatest rock band in the world. (Number One? The Rolling Stones)

Prince is only the GREATEST artist (individual) in the world. I've been digging him since 1978.

Since Prince based his whole career on not having an editor, it would be a big change for him if he had to deal with someone truly deserving of that title, i.e. someone who can veto stuff. I can't think of anyone who could do that effectively, given Prince's ego, history and intimidating talents. Thinking he could use an editor is not knowing him very well as well as disregarding the essence of his career, which is creative freedom. There are also practical reasons - few people can actually keep up with Prince. When you are prone to recording everything yourself in the middle of the night, you tend to be captain of your own ship for obvious reasons. What Prince can use and has used... is collaborators that are not afraid to speak out. He has benefited from surrounding himself with creative, knowledgeable musicians that have influenced his music and his taste.

At the end, Prince would not be half as celebrated if he had employed genuine coproducers consistently. Look at Madonna and how people believe she owes everything to her producers. For better and for worse, Prince is entirely responsbile for the records he released, and that will be an important consideration when all is said and done and it's time to say who truly expressed himself as an artist in our time..
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laurarichardson said:

You obviously don't know me very well and presume too much too.

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What does my knowing you to do with anything ?

I don't think you realize he has been nominated 30 times and only has six awards (LOL)

I mean, look at those damn things. Are they prescription? Is the sun that bright in Ireland? What is he trying to hide?

I mean, look at those damn things. Are they prescription? Is the sun that bright in Ireland? What is he trying to hide?

I like U2, but I can see them becoming a pointless touring cash cow like the Rolling Stones pretty soon. They've still got a few years yet, as Bono's neck doesn't yet look like a vagina

GottaLetitgo said:

Bono, is a great entertainer. i have always admired and respected the man. and the sunglasses, well, he looks too damn sexy in them. i would love to have a pair.Rock On Bono!!!!!

I think people need to stop getting defensive when it's pointed out that Prince needs an "editor."

What people mean is not that Prince needs someone else to write or compose his music... he just needs someone to tell him the truth about what he composes.

I've always found that brilliant people are often very self-critical of their best product. This to me is the biggest reason Prince needs an editor.

He needs someone in the studio giving him positive affirmation when he feels like songs aren't good enough.

Here's one example that I hope kind of sums this up. Endorphinmachine. Prince needed someone to tell him that the original version of that song had rawness and power that needed to be left alone. Adding a bunch of extra production wasn't going to help it.

The reason that so much of Prince's most original work is on bootleg is because he seems to get self-conscious about some of his own best stuff.

So the need for an editor is as much to give him some positive affirmation--that what he's producing really is great and that he doesn't need to keep tinkering and re-recording until all spontanaity is gone from his music and stuff soungs like it's Prince auto-pilot (like NPS, Rave, Musicology).

Someone to tell the truth about what he composes?

I mean, he is the genious, he did the song, who the hell could tell Prince about what sounds good or what does not? What if Prince prefers the Endorphinemachine version on TGE over the former version? who is to say he is wrong? It's just matter of opinion. And his opinion will always be close to what HE wants than anybodys opinion. Prince does not need an editor. He needs artists around him that can inspire him.

I think people need to stop getting defensive when it's pointed out that Prince needs an "editor."

What people mean is not that Prince needs someone else to write or compose his music... he just needs someone to tell him the truth about what he composes.

I've always found that brilliant people are often very self-critical of their best product. This to me is the biggest reason Prince needs an editor.

He needs someone in the studio giving him positive affirmation when he feels like songs aren't good enough.

Here's one example that I hope kind of sums this up. Endorphinmachine. Prince needed someone to tell him that the original version of that song had rawness and power that needed to be left alone. Adding a bunch of extra production wasn't going to help it.

The reason that so much of Prince's most original work is on bootleg is because he seems to get self-conscious about some of his own best stuff.

So the need for an editor is as much to give him some positive affirmation--that what he's producing really is great and that he doesn't need to keep tinkering and re-recording until all spontanaity is gone from his music and stuff soungs like it's Prince auto-pilot (like NPS, Rave, Musicology).

Each of us is qualified to edit Prince for ourselves.

I'd be pissed at the editor who didn't let me hear TRC.

andyman91 said:

and what makes you think the editor wouldnt have let us hear TRC ??

danielboon said:

Thats the point. Some people wish the editor would've cut TRC and some wish they would've cut NPS, Chaos, Emancipation etc.

Nobody can agree on what should've been cut.

...Here's one example that I hope kind of sums this up. Endorphinmachine. Prince needed someone to tell him that the original version of that song had rawness and power that needed to be left alone. Adding a bunch of extra production wasn't going to help it....

TheFrog said:

C'mon now. ATWIAD is nowhere near PR or Parade in terms of quality.

I suspect those that feel he NEEDS W&L never really liked Prince to begin with. It's fine to miss them. Hell, sometimes I wish they would hook up again just for old time's sake and see what they could come up with. There's a difference though.

andyman91 said:

i know !!

I think people need to stop getting defensive when it's pointed out that Prince needs an "editor."

What people mean is not that Prince needs someone else to write or compose his music... he just needs someone to tell him the truth about what he composes.

I've always found that brilliant people are often very self-critical of their best product. This to me is the biggest reason Prince needs an editor.

He needs someone in the studio giving him positive affirmation when he feels like songs aren't good enough.

Here's one example that I hope kind of sums this up. Endorphinmachine. Prince needed someone to tell him that the original version of that song had rawness and power that needed to be left alone. Adding a bunch of extra production wasn't going to help it.

The reason that so much of Prince's most original work is on bootleg is because he seems to get self-conscious about some of his own best stuff.

So the need for an editor is as much to give him some positive affirmation--that what he's producing really is great and that he doesn't need to keep tinkering and re-recording until all spontanaity is gone from his music and stuff soungs like it's Prince auto-pilot (like NPS, Rave, Musicology).