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Reply #30 posted 04/28/05 1:07pm

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WonderU said:

laurarichardson said:


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Yes, the world would stop turning if W&L. Were not on the around (LOL)


That sentence makes as much sense as the statement you were TRYING to make lol The truth hurts dear laura.



not only that but i dont get where the personal hurt and anger comes from that other people just might have an opposing view to her....all that negative energy cant be a good thing.

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Reply #31 posted 04/28/05 1:19pm

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I can agree with a lot of what Bono said, but I just can't see Prince with an editor. Although i wish someone would have told him to f%$* off with making LoveSexy one long ass track. Although it was innovative, I always thought, what the f%$*!
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Reply #32 posted 04/28/05 1:22pm

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sosgemini said:

WonderU said:



That sentence makes as much sense as the statement you were TRYING to make lol The truth hurts dear laura.



not only that but i dont get where the personal hurt and anger comes from that other people just might have an opposing view to her....all that negative energy cant be a good thing.

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i think she's on Prince's payroll. shhh
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Reply #33 posted 04/28/05 1:36pm

SammiJ

that's tight nod

i think i might pick that book up when it comes out
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Reply #34 posted 04/28/05 1:57pm

RealMusician

Why should Prince need an editor?

I mean: Who, other than himself, can say what his music should sound like?

Maybe if the purpose of making music was simply to sell a lot of records, and someone else had invested money in this (as was the case with WB), then I could understand the need of expert advices and second opinions, regarding commercial potential etc.

But if the purpose of making music is to express yourself, which I think it is for Prince at this point, then who can say they know better than him?

It's like someone would edit me when I'm having breakfast... "I think you spent too much time on that cup of coffee...and you shouldn't have made that third sandwich, you already had two of those"... Well, maybe I was hungry, OK?
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Reply #35 posted 04/28/05 2:16pm

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RealMusician said:

Why should Prince need an editor?

I mean: Who, other than himself, can say what his music should sound like?

Maybe if the purpose of making music was simply to sell a lot of records, and someone else had invested money in this (as was the case with WB), then I could understand the need of expert advices and second opinions, regarding commercial potential etc.

But if the purpose of making music is to express yourself, which I think it is for Prince at this point, then who can say they know better than him?

It's like someone would edit me when I'm having breakfast... "I think you spent too much time on that cup of coffee...and you shouldn't have made that third sandwich, you already had two of those"... Well, maybe I was hungry, OK?


most creative people need editors...authors, painters, songwriters...they sometimes come in the forms of lovers, mentors or actual paid editors.

ive always felt prince's creative output has been flawed because he has way way too many yes men around him.

just my two cents though..

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Reply #36 posted 04/28/05 2:18pm

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also, one of the reason's wendy and lisa's musical output is so low is that they refuse to release a song that sounds similiar to something they have previously done..

wendy said they started that with prince...they were their own checks & balance.
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Reply #37 posted 04/28/05 2:19pm

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WonderU said:

GoldiesParade said:



Thats so spot on.


He had that with Wendy and Lisa, flame if you want, but it's true.


Thank you, because at that time he was successful. I rest my case.
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Reply #38 posted 04/28/05 2:26pm

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It seems a lot of "negativ energy" comes from people vying as much as possible to insert W&L into Prince as if he never was succesful pre Purple Rain post Parade confuse

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Reply #39 posted 04/28/05 2:33pm

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sosgemini said:

RealMusician said:

Why should Prince need an editor?

I mean: Who, other than himself, can say what his music should sound like?

Maybe if the purpose of making music was simply to sell a lot of records, and someone else had invested money in this (as was the case with WB), then I could understand the need of expert advices and second opinions, regarding commercial potential etc.

But if the purpose of making music is to express yourself, which I think it is for Prince at this point, then who can say they know better than him?

It's like someone would edit me when I'm having breakfast... "I think you spent too much time on that cup of coffee...and you shouldn't have made that third sandwich, you already had two of those"... Well, maybe I was hungry, OK?


most creative people need editors...authors, painters, songwriters...


Why is that?
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Reply #40 posted 04/28/05 2:39pm

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I know this is a place to discuss Prince, not U2, so I'll try to keep my comments in the right spot.

When I posted the exerpts from the Bono book this morning, I had yet to finish it -- I was about 50 pages from the end.

Since this morning, as I've read more, Prince's name came up yet again when Assayas referred to Bono as "a Prince obsessive."

Prince and U2 were both important to me in the 1980s, but I have always been WAAAY more on the Prince bandwagon. I am finally seeing U2 live in a few weeks here in Chicago, and I decided to pick up this book for one main reason: like Prince, Bono seemed to me to have a mystical brand of faith/spirituality/religion, and I wanted to better understand it. Now that I've read the book, my respect for Bono is OFF THE CHART. I WISH that Prince would allow someone he's friends with to interview him...let him talk about particular former band members and what they brought to the table. Let him tell the stories behind some of the songs we love. Let him explain how he got to his current religious preference and how he finds it better than past choices.

For those of you interested in the Bono book, it's already out! I've even seen it at Best Buy up by the registers.

I was particularly impressed with GottaLetitgo's comments about holding a grudge against U2 because 1987 (for some) was the year that both of them put out their best works. (Emphasis on the FOR SOME in both cases, of course.) Now I see some other similarities: both Bono and Prince compose songs that are spiritually-based, both entered the Rock Hall in their first years of eligibility...one year apart. Granted, there are probably more differences than similarities. Bono even admits that he has to write songs that are "chord-based" rather than "groove-based." Admitting to some jealousy about that, he flippantly says: "I'm not black. I'm white. I have to accept that." And while we can obviously point to white artists that do well with a groove-based sound, Bono doesn't believe his voice works in that format. The comment came when he was asked why -- when he spends so much time in Africa -- has he not allowed an African sound into U2's music like Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon (among others) have.

I like that Bono is in awe of Prince, respectful of him...but also HONEST about him. There will never be, I'm sure, a collaboration between these two, but can you imagine what that might be like?
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Reply #41 posted 04/28/05 2:52pm

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RealMusician is so fuckin right... u cant control prince - prince is a genius and a real musician making real music as an expression of his innerself. You wouldnt tell Van Gogh that his sunflowers were looking a bit naff and he should maybe consider starting again.

Bono talks like he's some sort of wise, all-knowing, superficial human being - and always has. Fair do's he does a lot for charity, but he talks as though charity wouldnt exist without him.
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Reply #42 posted 04/28/05 2:57pm

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RealMusician is so fuckin right... u cant control prince - prince is a genius and a real musician making real music as an expression of his innerself. You wouldnt tell Van Gogh that his sunflowers were looking a bit naff and he should maybe consider starting again.

Bono talks like he's some sort of wise, all-knowing, superficial human being - and always has. Fair do's he does a lot for charity, but he talks as though charity wouldnt exist without him.



Oh so now we're going to attack Bono for being as publicly expressive as Prince is?

Princefans. What a strange crazy lot we are.
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Reply #43 posted 04/28/05 3:00pm

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nothing like prince, id say that over the whole course of prince's career until now it would be fair to say that he's done most of all his expression in his music - unlike bono. it's that expression through music that i'm talking about above.. and how important it is
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Reply #44 posted 04/28/05 3:05pm

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I used to have that on videotape from the night it aired, they cut to prince when bono mentioned him in his acceptance speech. Still might somewhere....

GottaLetitgo said:

And with these remarks, my long-standing hatred for Bono comes to an end. I have hated U2 and Bono since 1987, when the greatest travesty in the history of the Grammy's occurred, namely Sign O' The Times losing to The Joshua Tree. Okay, I knew it was going to happen but damn it, that was Prince's shot at the best album, his most ambitious album to date (and still). Seeing Prince jilted in the audience as those wankers went up on stage pissed me off to no end. (And to paraphrase the man, Prince could do what U2 did on The Joshua Tree but they could not do Housequake). Anyway I have always thought of Bono as a pretentious, moronic airbag bastard since then (even though I did dig Achtung Baby) but now, I will forgive him.

Bono's respect for the man is obvious and heart-felt and I think his comments are dead on. And I agree that Prince has needed an editor from time to time but with Prince getting the final veto power. There are things that he has done that an outsider (i.e. someone who doesn't live in his purple brain) might have knocked down that turned out to be absolutely genius. There are also experiements that Prince has had that have fallen flat on their ass. Whether there is anybody out there who could have been able to tell the difference is the question.
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Reply #45 posted 04/28/05 3:08pm

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musicologyphd said:

nothing like prince, id say that over the whole course of prince's career until now it would be fair to say that he's done most of all his expression in his music - unlike bono.



Bull. Evidently you havent been witness to Prince expressing his opinions the last ten years without music. Selective memory at play.
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Reply #46 posted 04/28/05 3:27pm

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DiamondGirl said:

musicologyphd said:

nothing like prince, id say that over the whole course of prince's career until now it would be fair to say that he's done most of all his expression in his music - unlike bono.



Bull. Evidently you havent been witness to Prince expressing his opinions the last ten years without music. Selective memory at play.



lol.. i think ur being selective - picking out a 10 year segment, and it would be to assume that over that whole 10 years prince did all his expression without music and didn't release any music whatsoever - which is obviously not true... i said 'over the whole course' it 'would be fair to say' that he has done 'most' of his expression through music. - thats not selective in the slightest.. thats encompassing
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Reply #47 posted 04/28/05 3:39pm

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GottaLetitgo said:

And with these remarks, my long-standing hatred for Bono comes to an end. I have hated U2 and Bono since 1987, when the greatest travesty in the history of the Grammy's occurred, namely Sign O' The Times losing to The Joshua Tree. Okay, I knew it was going to happen but damn it, that was Prince's shot at the best album, his most ambitious album to date (and still). Seeing Prince jilted in the audience as those wankers went up on stage pissed me off to no end. (And to paraphrase the man, Prince could do what U2 did on The Joshua Tree but they could not do Housequake). Anyway I have always thought of Bono as a pretentious, moronic airbag bastard since then (even though I did dig Achtung Baby) but now, I will forgive him.

Bono's respect for the man is obvious and heart-felt and I think his comments are dead on. And I agree that Prince has needed an editor from time to time but with Prince getting the final veto power. There are things that he has done that an outsider (i.e. someone who doesn't live in his purple brain) might have knocked down that turned out to be absolutely genius. There are also experiements that Prince has had that have fallen flat on their ass. Whether there is anybody out there who could have been able to tell the difference is the question.


You felt that strongly about him for all this time JUST because of that? That wasn't hatred, that was a grudge! neutral

That aside, I find it ironic that all this time Bono held him in high regard and P was the one shooting his mouth off back then acting like a petulant child with that moronic quote. I always thought that was one of the lamest things he ever said - not to mention more than a little childish.

Still, times change eh.
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Reply #48 posted 04/28/05 4:14pm

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Bono made prince reference at this years rock hall


"The reason no one in this band has slave scrawled across their face, thank you very much."



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Reply #49 posted 04/28/05 4:17pm

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Bono made reference to prince at this years rock hall induction


You see him right there. The reason no one in this band has slave scrawled across their face, thank you very much.
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Reply #50 posted 04/28/05 4:20pm

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"I Love U 2.....but not the band....." Prince 2004 Musicology tour.

P still pissed about U 2..
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Reply #51 posted 04/28/05 4:34pm

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I really, really dislike this guy. I don't care how many worthy causes he champions he still comes off sounding like a self serving photo opportunist to me. mad
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Reply #52 posted 04/28/05 4:51pm

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DiamondGirl said:

It seems a lot of "negativ energy" comes from people vying as much as possible to insert W&L into Prince as if he never was succesful pre Purple Rain post Parade confuse

Prince, Controversy, 1999, SOTT, Lovesxy,never happened falloff



you need to head over to housequake or to our associated artist section and read the statements from people like dez, jesse, morris, andre and dr. fink. you would be suprised to find out which songs and which quitar riffs or synth riffs are contributed to people *other* then prince...

and when i state my pleasure with wendy and lisa's contributions to prince's legacy, its not a negative..its positive energy..

its negative energy for someone to respond back that wendy and lisa suck.

but i know you know that. your just trying to be a smart ass now arent you? rolleyes
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Reply #53 posted 04/28/05 4:52pm

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RealMusician said:

sosgemini said:



most creative people need editors...authors, painters, songwriters...


Why is that?


because, creating art is akin to giving birth...does any mother want to get rid of one baby over another?

it sometimes takes an objective ear to filter out the bad...
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Reply #54 posted 04/28/05 4:57pm

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I wouldn't say he needs an editor. Perhaps some friends with good music sense and a backbone would help though. smile
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Reply #55 posted 04/28/05 5:37pm

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GottaLetitgo said:

And with these remarks, my long-standing hatred for Bono comes to an end. I have hated U2 and Bono since 1987, when the greatest travesty in the history of the Grammy's occurred, namely Sign O' The Times losing to The Joshua Tree. Okay, I knew it was going to happen but damn it, that was Prince's shot at the best album, his most ambitious album to date (and still). Seeing Prince jilted in the audience as those wankers went up on stage pissed me off to no end. (And to paraphrase the man, Prince could do what U2 did on The Joshua Tree but they could not do Housequake). Anyway I have always thought of Bono as a pretentious, moronic airbag bastard since then (even though I did dig Achtung Baby) but now, I will forgive him.

Bono's respect for the man is obvious and heart-felt and I think his comments are dead on. And I agree that Prince has needed an editor from time to time but with Prince getting the final veto power. There are things that he has done that an outsider (i.e. someone who doesn't live in his purple brain) might have knocked down that turned out to be absolutely genius. There are also experiements that Prince has had that have fallen flat on their ass. Whether there is anybody out there who could have been able to tell the difference is the question.


If an artist winning or losing a fake award bothers you this much for so you long you have severe issues. But I'm sure Bono will appreciate you forgiving him rolleyes



I don't have issues, I have volumes. Actually I was talking about the whole bitterness thing with my therapist this evening and I came to a realization. I didn't dislike Bono because of the Grammy thing. It's those damn sunglasses he wears that drove my rage. I feel so cleansed!

Bono, all is forgiven buddy. Others my scoff but I know how much my approval means to you.
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Reply #56 posted 04/28/05 6:01pm

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sosgemini said:

DiamondGirl said:

It seems a lot of "negativ energy" comes from people vying as much as possible to insert W&L into Prince as if he never was succesful pre Purple Rain post Parade confuse

Prince, Controversy, 1999, SOTT, Lovesxy,never happened falloff



you need to head over to housequake or to our associated artist section and read the statements from people like dez, jesse, morris, andre and dr. fink. you would be suprised to find out which songs and which quitar riffs or synth riffs are contributed to people *other* then prince...

and when i state my pleasure with wendy and lisa's contributions to prince's legacy, its not a negative..its positive energy..

its negative energy for someone to respond back that wendy and lisa suck.

but i know you know that. your just trying to be a smart ass now arent you? rolleyes


See what I mean?smile

Nobody said W&L suck.

I am aware of others contributions.

I still stand by my statement, that there are some who insistently feel the need to be the W&L police of Prince involvement.

Now about u being a smartazz rolleyes

(see how they do get heated folks? a mod too lol )
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Reply #57 posted 04/28/05 6:07pm

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BananaCologne said:

GottaLetitgo said:

And with these remarks, my long-standing hatred for Bono comes to an end. I have hated U2 and Bono since 1987, when the greatest travesty in the history of the Grammy's occurred, namely Sign O' The Times losing to The Joshua Tree. Okay, I knew it was going to happen but damn it, that was Prince's shot at the best album, his most ambitious album to date (and still). Seeing Prince jilted in the audience as those wankers went up on stage pissed me off to no end. (And to paraphrase the man, Prince could do what U2 did on The Joshua Tree but they could not do Housequake). Anyway I have always thought of Bono as a pretentious, moronic airbag bastard since then (even though I did dig Achtung Baby) but now, I will forgive him.

Bono's respect for the man is obvious and heart-felt and I think his comments are dead on. And I agree that Prince has needed an editor from time to time but with Prince getting the final veto power. There are things that he has done that an outsider (i.e. someone who doesn't live in his purple brain) might have knocked down that turned out to be absolutely genius. There are also experiements that Prince has had that have fallen flat on their ass. Whether there is anybody out there who could have been able to tell the difference is the question.


You felt that strongly about him for all this time JUST because of that? That wasn't hatred, that was a grudge! neutral



There's a lot of that on this thread nod
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Reply #58 posted 04/28/05 6:15pm

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DiamondGirl said:

sosgemini said:




you need to head over to housequake or to our associated artist section and read the statements from people like dez, jesse, morris, andre and dr. fink. you would be suprised to find out which songs and which quitar riffs or synth riffs are contributed to people *other* then prince...

and when i state my pleasure with wendy and lisa's contributions to prince's legacy, its not a negative..its positive energy..

its negative energy for someone to respond back that wendy and lisa suck.

but i know you know that. your just trying to be a smart ass now arent you? rolleyes


See what I mean?smile

Nobody said W&L suck.

I am aware of others contributions.

I still stand by my statement, that there are some who insistently feel the need to be the W&L police of Prince involvement.

Now about u being a smartazz rolleyes

(see how they do get heated folks? a mod too lol )
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Reply #59 posted 04/28/05 6:42pm

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I wouldn't say he needs an editor. Perhaps some friends with good music sense and a backbone would help though. smile



I totally agree with this statement.I don't think he needs an editor...he needs the inspiration from some of the artists (like Joni Mitchell and Herbie Hancock) who have been hangin' at his new digs recently.

I mean,can you imagine Joni schooling Prince a bit more about adding some more interesting color and flavor into his music again>? razz razz razz razz razz
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