.....I don't feel I'm being antagonistic at all, why would you feel that way, you're just the hired help, why should you be so 'hurt' by my message.....you get paid to read and reply.....not argue with paying customers/fans/fams

i swear it's orgers like these that make the rest of us look really bad i wonder if he would take this tone say if he was speaking with an operator at 1800 NEW FUNK . . . . . . .

I think I asked a couple questions to the NPGMC in the tone

that reflected the frustration I was feeling at the

time.....which was explained.....and that answer of the

question's were still not answered.....can't help the way I

feel about it.....So, the rest of you are calling each

other liars and idiots and I'm just too trusting in

believing the other orgers.....go ahead and pick apart

the rest of the emails & posts and paste the line that

suits your reply.....it's fine by me.....it just tells me

you're not seeing the whole picture.....I guess I'm

supposed to voice my feeling to all of you only and

get "unofficial" feedback.....pece and love to all.....



have a veggie burger and chill the fuck out.















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Wow...NPGMC is a business..Think about it y'all...I once worked at a call center and no matter how rude I was treated by customers it was company policy to respond professionally....

sure; the initial email is harsh..but, the person responding needs to realize he/she is representing a corportation...not themselves...person and emotional responces should not be tolerated...


if this person worked for me i would fire them.....seriously..

I feel partly to blame for this disagreement you had with NPGMC. I was the person who posted the cd tracklist was 4 songs with 4 12 minute speeches between the songs. At that time numerous orgers were getting hysterical convincing themselves the cd was only 4 songs. Lauryn Hill had just released her cd with a 12 minute speech on it. Jokenly I listed ONA as doing the same only more overboard. It seemed obvious to me it was untrue. No one even commented on it at that time. I'm really surprised you believed that.

I feel for you bro. I wrote NPMC a few months ago complaining about them killing the downloads section. Just like you I got a rude and harsh nasty-gram Email from them. But you gotta take it in stride. I look at it from the stand point of if your not a brainwashed purple Prince "fam" then they don`t want anything to do with you. I suppose that the collective doesnt like critism (much like a Nazi state I think). But be forwarned; there are some people here on P.org whom feel that Prince does no wrong and they worship every word that falls from his lips. Your setting yourself up for Hatemail and firebombs if you cross them (you whiny babies know whom you are). In a closing note here is my thougths on the ONA album. Other than the fact that I already know that it is going to suck big green donkey balls, just download it from KaZaA.com. I imagine that within a few days of its official release (in other words about 10 years from now) it will be on there and you can burn your own CD. Screw Prince and Screw the NPGMC. Beat them at their own game!!!!! Peace/Hate

jaikman said:

actually, unless you are a child with no grasp of self control, not only can you help the way you feel about it you can also help in the way you convey those feelings, instead of defending yourself with adolescent cop-outs.

dumbass said:

Your screen name says it all









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I agree wait untill the CD is in your hands, I can understand were you are comming from in the email sent to NPGMC but you also have to keep in mind that Prince is doing the best he can under the circumstances and his music has to come at a price. Keep in mind that he does not have a contract with a label which is a gauranteed cash flow, we the fams have to keep him going. I am sure it is tough on him but I for one think he is doing the right thing, it is HIS music and nobody but him should own the rights to his work, he had the guts to do something that no other artist that I know of would do and I respect him for that and will support the NPG 100%. What other artist do you know that would give you the opportunity to buy tickets before the general public or invite you to the afterparties or better yet into their home? $250 for 7 nights at Paisley Park with a performance nightly is far from outrages. I know that alot of fams overseas will be upset and yes it is unfair but Paisley Park is in the US and it would be fairly expensive but Prince cannot make everybody happy, what is he suppose to do? He doesn't have to invite ANYBODY to Paisley Park. You are truly not a fan if you think $25 is too much for 4 CD's and the extra privleges you get for being part of the NPGMC. Sure I was upset when he cancelled the Toronto show and I had front row center tickets but I also know if he cancelled it there was a good enough reason and I respect his decision.
Just remember if everyone stopped suporting him then what would happen, he needs our support so let's give it to him.
Just beleive in him.
[This message was edited Mon May 13 18:01:28 PDT 2002 by WyseOne]

The fact remains that some should know good and well that they arent going to get a responmse that tells of any releases, tracklists,Princes future plans etc. I mean come on. You know from jump street that there is not going to be any relevant response that you should take to heart.

SkletonKee said:

What corporation would that be? The Hues Corporation? Come on everybody, "Rock the boat..."

As far as I know there is no CEO, no President, no board of directors, no stockholders. You signed up for the Prince experience, welcome to it.

And if you are rude to someone - ANYONE - they should absolutely step up and check you for it. I don't care if they are your waiter, your operator, or your grandmother. You treat everyone politely or face the consequences. It's stupid to think that customer service people should have to put up with ignorant rants and raves. No one is always right. It's foolish to think otherwise.

I'm glad they're getting some harsh feedback from members. Tho that 1st email was harsh it reflected your frustration with the club and I hope they take such emails into consideration.

If the person responding took the comments to heart, they need to put their pride on hold and just respond with some basic answers, which I saw little of. They're getting paid plenyy to do this.

It's not rocket science to record a CD, manufacture some copies of it, THEN make it available for sale. All this mumbo jumbo about making us pay in advance for four CD's at once just seems shady. We don't know what we're paying for or when we're gonna get it, just a vague outline of 4 cds and concert perks. You can't blame members for getting irate at this point. If some of us are jumping the gun assuming the worst, its probabbly from getting burnt several times in the past with Prince's retail flops (NPG Magazine, NPG Jerseys, Crystal Ball, etc).

I dig the 4 songs that are now being previewed for ONA, I guess I should just keep my fingers crossed. But if this years music is a bust you can bet I wont be back for part 3.

jaikman said:

perhaps, but not merely as much as your responses say about your intelligence, or your grasp on reality.
[This message was edited Mon May 13 18:40:11 PDT 2002 by dumbass]

He didn't seem all that harsh to me. And considering that membership in the club is not at all free, he has every right to express both satisfaction and disappointment. It says in the Bible that " a wise man loveth correction". What's so wrong with wanting to express concern? Even if he had been misinformed, he has EVERY RIGHT to express how he feels. How he feels is neither right nor wrong, it just IS. You can disagree with his so-called "antagonistic" tactics without being antagonizing yourselves.

Why is it that any time someone has an issue with anything that Prince does, as opposed to having his lips perpetually glued to Prince's ass, all of you go into attack mode?

Prince is a grown man. He doesn't need any of you to fight his battles for him, and if fan complaints are such a damned problem, then why not address them in an adult manner and get the issue squashed once and for all?

Name calling, for whatever reason, creates more problems than it solves. Think about it. YOU CAN DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING DISAGREEABLE.

And my question is this: If those in the Paisley camp really felt so beyond reproach, then why did they seem so defensive in response to his letter? Only the guilty get angry when they are being forced to face up to their wrong doing.

no one is saying you can't voice your disappointment. what is being said is that if you expect a professional and courteous reply you'd better express yourself in that same professional and courteous manner, which he did not. the reply he recieved he deserved.

xenophobia said:

Well, I always thought NPG CORP was a corporation...but lets remove corporation and replace it with business....Cause NPG is a business.....

and your right, people should be treated with respect..however, when providing customer service you have to listen, empathize and respect your customer....always remember that the emotions are not geared towards you personally but towards the problem the customer feels he or she rightly has....

this is business 101..Ive had the pleasure of working for a fortune 15 company, a fortune 150 and a fortune 500...these same basic principles were tought at each company...And each of these companies had policies that would fire someone for sending a responce like the one recieved from NPGMC. (i know this cause i was in management)....

now, im not saying the guy was right for slamming NPGMC within his email..however, if Prince's employees want to be treated professionally, they need to start treating their customers in that fashion..KARMA is a b*tch..you get back what you give...
[This message was edited Mon May 13 19:08:58 PDT 2002 by SkletonKee]

SkletonKee said:

No response would be better than what they usually respond. They end up making the situation wors and act like we're lucky to even be in the club. Bad management. There will be no club in a couple years if he keeps it up.

dumbass said:

Okay, you stated it.....at least I can post a sigle

sentence without editing it.





your turn

















and xenophobia,

I think every member has the right to voice thier opinion,

they paid for the service didn't they?.....or do you think

Prince should take the stance of : "Hey I'm Prince, gimme a

100 bucks and I'll make wonder all year what it is you're

paying for....what's that? ...Fuck You!!, I mean Duck

You !! (sorry Larry) How dare you ask me what you're

getting for you money, just give it to me...and after the

year is over and you can't get your money back then

you can complain."





and Wyseone:

That's 4 cds for $25 each not $25 for 4 cds.....still sound

like a good deal?

I can't remember the last time I walked into a wrekka sto

and paid $25 or more for a cd....oh yeah it was Crystal

Ball!! $39.99 @ best buy.... but, it had 4 disks in

it!!....4 cds? hmmm aren't we all glad that was

already released.....It was good but, if at the end of

the year....that's all I had to show for my C note.....I'd

feel a little slighted.



I love you all



















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Jaikman, I thought you were assertive, articulate and justified. People have been screwed over by NPGMC (or some incarnation of it) for far too long.

My favorite

part was:

Everyone who's been told off by NPGMC should thank you. You've said what, I'm sure, many want to.

milty said:

That is toooo funny!
[This message was edited Fri Jul 19 23:50:41 PDT 2002 by SynthiaRose]
[This message was edited Fri Jul 19 23:52:08 PDT 2002 by SynthiaRose]

These insensitive and selfish complaints come from someone who has benefitted hugely from his $100 membership - and the year is not even half over!

He purchased FOUR tickets to 2 different ONA Tour performances - average premium: $25/ticket to have access to the best seats in the house during one of the best Prince tours ever. I'd be praising the Club on that basis alone.

Then he used his membership to buy a pass to 7 consecutive performances at this year's Celebration - any way you slice it, the membership benefits are adding up FAST for this individual.

Now he's complaining that, among other things, the 4 promised CD's are costing him $25 each - huh? Is that the "new math?" What's up with this guy? He'd piss and moan if Prince himself delivered the CD to his door! Add up your benefits to date!

And finally, he's worried that some of the material was available last year as downloads? Come on, I'd gladly pay to have a studio quality release of those (and other) trax on the promised CD's for this year.

Crap like this really makes me want to send NPGMC an email apologizing for the complainers, saying, "Ignore the ingrates - there are many Members who feel that the Club is the best deal in music from the best artist around."

Damn, I got drawn into another LAME thread!

jaikman said:

perhaps, but you don't seem to be able to post a single sentence without misspelling "started"

to quote the brilliant thespian Troy MaClure "You may remember me in such threads as 'Is your head up your ass because your points sound like shit' and 'If you are going to start a dispute, please be able to spell it."

oh, and here's an edit just for good measure, jackass.
[This message was edited Mon May 13 20:15:43 PDT 2002 by dumbass]

TheMax said:

Poor Poor NPG Music Club They are SO abused.....how

much money have they spent on me this year?

And by the way, I haven't bought any celebraton tickets.




The only thing piling up is the money that Prince makes

off each one of his club members & other fans

individually.....everybody be honest, in a years time

(at this point Feb- May about 3months) what other musician

have you ever spent this much money on in such a short

period of time? .....

Me:
membership fee : $100
4 ONA tix : $500
hotel to see ONA: $120

So far looks like: $720


If I were to buy
celebration tix(2) $500
hotel for the week $600
misc food and
other(on the cheap)$400 all adds up to another $1500

$1500 + $720= $2220.00 .....Yeah, I'm being selfish

alright....all for music and it would only

be the end of June and this point.....so, too bad if I

come off as a little harsh...as I said before, I think

I've earned (more like bought) the right to speak my

mind...here in the land of the free.


if you don't like it what do you want from me?...I know

what Mr.Nelson wants.....do you?
















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apparently what Mr. Nelson wants you have no problem handing over, so what are you bitching about?

Well, of course for that steep $100 membership fee you would also expect him to pick up your hotel, travel, and food charges as well.

I think you're confused about who is responsible to shelter, feed, and entertain you. Membership in the NPGMC Club gives you, at a minimum, access to great seating at performances and 4 CD's. The rest you have to pay for. If you're spending too much for Prince-related activities, you have no one to blame but yourself.

How can you possibly function in every day life with such a warped view of personal responsibility, value, and hard work?

As far as the value of Prince's work, I'm willing to bet that you've accomplished comparatively little in the past 5 months, but for some reason I suspect you still want to get paid for your services - whatever they possibly could be.

jaikman said:

Ask yourself this...how much would you have spent if you had NOT joined the music club??...

Just guessing, I'd say this:

You:
4 ONA tix: $500
Hotel to see ONA: $120

The only thing Prince having a music club cost you so far is $100...what Prince having a music club has gotten you, though, is guaranteed great seats, a chance to see him up close and personal during sound checks, and a chance at yet another concert in the form of aftershows...if you're saying you would have been happier not joining the club cuz you would have only spent $620 instead of $720, then you ALSO need to ask yourself if you would have been happier not attending sound checks and aftershows...

Not to mention that you're not required to by 4 stinkin' tickets to Prince's tours...lol...so you can hardly blame the man if you spent $500 dollars on tickets, can you...



First off, neither Prince or the npgmc make a dime off of your hotel bill or your food...so you should only concentrate on costs that are linked directly to the music club...Secondly, exacly how much MORE are you planning to spend after the Celebration??...lol...Third, being a member does not require anyone to do anything they feel they can't afford or is too expensive...and forth, these are the kinds of things you think about before singing up, NOT afterwards...that's called making logical decisions, thinking things thru...it's a little too late to be complaining about ticket costs and such...

wellbeyond said:

Top o' the World Ma!! Top o' the World!






dumbass:

Max: For your $100, "the club" gives you 4 CDs.....to

benefit from membership any further you are required to

spend more money.....man,I hate cats









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[This message was edited Wed Feb 26 0:12:35 PST 2003 by IstenSzek]

and how do you know that, Funkbible?

HOW CAN ANY OF U COMPLAIN THOSE OF US WITHOUT CREDIT CARDS CANT EVEN JOIN. I GUESS WE GET NO MUSIC THIS YEAR OR EVER IF HE DOES NOT USE REDLINE AGAIN. AND WE BROUGHT CONCERT TICKETS 2.PUT THAT FUNK IN THE STORE AND COME WITH ANOTHER WAY 2 JOIN THE CLUB JEZZ.