There was a time when Prince seemed to be about to do something which would change the direction of Pop Music forever (a category to which he must belong due to his general blending of 'popular music styles') - after SOT, after Lovesexy, he seemed to be on course to produce a Massive Innovation (like the General Theory Of Relativity in music terms) Then suddenly,too suddenly, he lost his way. He took a backward step with Graffiti Bridge. Then another with Batman which sounds at times like him trying to make Lovesexy more 'rocky'. Suddenly he is self cannabalizing, mining ideas he has already had instead of plunging headlong in to the abyss. Everything since sounds like a rehash of somebody elses idea - queenlike operatic rock of The Symbol album, to poppy mainstream jazz of TRC. It is just not good enough for someone who wishes to be perceived as a Genius. He ceased to create the new, just to rehash the old.
He was on the edge of being a Genius, now he is just in the foothills of mediocrity

You have won the right to be called a T**T !

why thank you but what do you think of the subject?

may as well put this up in advance. my work here's done.

I'm mostly interested in what other people think about this. What do you think?

devilstwin said:

wait for it.

devilstwin said:

What I think is...that I was there at the Bataclan show in paris and that only a genius could do what Prince did there on that night.
Same rehashed topics about Prince not being a genius, Prince not being a good producer, Prince not being a good singer, Prince not being a good guitarist, Prince not being a good dancer, Prince not being a good cook etc..

So I say !

BeautifulFrance said:

exactly. but what a way to usher in the newbie...

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Ok I take your point. I'm just trying to understand what happened to Prince after 'Lovesexy', why he seemed to go backward. I'm not saying that prince isn't brilliant - he is, no doubt about it - but to be a Genius most people agree that you have to be truly exceptional, a true orignator - hence my reference to Einstein. He doesn't appear to have had that kind of effect on pop music when it appeared that he was about to have, and I wonder why he appeared to run out of steam after 'Lovesexy'????

devilstwin said:

then you may wanna rephrase the title of your thread, cuz it'll raise a few hackles 'round here. some folks'll think you're absolutely batty cuz you say p ain't no "genius" and some people here think the mirror opposite.

you got a lot to learn 'round here. and it's a shame, cuz we're all outta fambot repellent at the moment and the order i put in for more is on back-order.

devilstwin said:

Clarify: In order to be considered a genius, do you have to "be truly exceptional, a true orignator," which you seem to admit Prince is, or was up until Lovesexy? Or do you have to remain an exceptional originator, (assuming we can agree on what that is) for a certain number of decades? Because you seem to be contradicting yourself.

I know this title is provocative and I perfectly respect that to a lot of People here Prince is a Genius. But in wider society the public and critics alike do NOT consider Prince to be a Genius these days and I think that we have to respect and consider these opions. And perhaps think about where and how prince went wrong

I think that to be considered a genius by people generally you have to have a profound and long lasting influence on the direction of music

devilstwin said:

he's gone wrong? well gotdamn--if how he's been goin on as of late is "wrong", i don't wanna be right.

I think that you can consider someone to be brilliant without admitting that they are a Genius

devilstwin said:

So you cannot call Mozart ou Hendrix geniuses cuz they died at such a young age we don't know what they could have become. uh ?

i only mean 'wrong' inasmuch that prince isn't as popular or considered as much of an innovator as he once was by people and critics generally

devilstwin said:

you sure of that?

Well Mozart is still listened to many years after he has died so he has had a profound impact on music, Hendrix is still considered by people and critics alike as one of the most gifted people ever to hold a 'six string'

well prince doesn't sell as much as he used to, critics don't bow down and worship so much either

devilstwin said:

well, prince ain't dead like the aforementioned two...

devilstwin said:

And if Prince died tomorrow, the dick-riding party would never end. Trust.

devilstwin said:

Name a musical genius who is selling records these days.

devilstwin said:

I heard the same crap about Miles Davis back in the eighties. People used to say his jazz funk was crap + that he had lost it completely + that he hadn't done anyhting decent since Bitches Brew + That marcus Miller was an average Producer for Miles (I swear I read and heard people pretending that Miller was just an "ok" musician !!!) + he could not play his instrument properly anymore (which was true only 2 months before he died).

Now when you look back at his career, the only thing that comes to mind is WOAW.

I don't know your age. But back in 1986 and 1987, when Prince was at the top, there were plently of people who used to say his music was shit and thta he was just an ugly dwarf. There are so many people who have always hated Prince and who do not even know the musician he is. Why should we give a fuck ?

TheMistress said:

aaaaa-mennnnn!!!!!

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

this needs to go in a few more topics on the front page right now

devilstwin said:

because they are actually dead. Before Freddie Mercury died, you cannot even imagine the violence of the critics here in france regarding Queen. I also remeber students at University who used to call him a fag etc.

And then he dies. And suddenly all these retards buy "Queen at th Opera" and you hear everywhere "what a great voice he had", "It is so sad", "he was so talented" etc

This is just the sad reality. Most people follow the bandwagon.

im not appreciating some of the attitude up on this thread...

the guys states his opinion and asks for a responce...why do people have to get all diffence and take the shit personal?


just respond with your own views, welcome a new participant to the forum and *gasp* actually debate the validity of the comments....


sans the bullshit.