PurpleKnight said:

And those were without drugs. He should give it a shot, at least.
I agree with Evil, AB, and others here. I think he's bored. He needs a new atmosphere, a new state of mind, a new fram of reference.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Picture that for a second, Evil. Prince up on stage, tap dancing his wee lil heart out whilst banging on a piece of copper. All the while the audience is in hysterics, it's so damn cool.


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First off... we've known the answer already.

Second ,the Mani "high" has produced "Glass Cutter", proving he don't need them.

skywalker said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:

There's a big difference between abusing drugs and using them in responsible moderation. Besides, I'm not suggesting heroin, cocaine, or any other hard core drug.

meow85 said:

Damn right.

Some of the best music has definately been made by people that were on drugs. I remember in 1985, when Rick James told the press he was off of drugs (probably only for the moment ) and he released the album "Glow". People everywhere were hollering....."Somebody, please get this man some drugs!!!!"

As far as Prince goes, I've often wondered if he actually did experiment in the earlier days.

I realize we're joking here and this post is not to be taken seriously, but hell, drugs probably might get Prince out of this hole he's been in for years.
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Amen! Here I am! That was me! I went strictly for the hits.

Of course new songs played on the tour, he was still trying to promote a new album while still drawing in a crowd by promising them hits. With any older artist, not just Prince, it's good to play a new song or two so people can go to the restroom and go outside and take a cigarette break.

The "One Night Alone" tour was also played in auditoriums rather than coliseums and just because everyone does not prefer Prince's newer work does not make them a casual fan or the general public. These are the people that got him to the point that he could afford to release bullshit and get away with it.

Then you point out that what Prince fans consider "hits" and what the general public considers "hits" are two different things but earlier in your post, you praise Prince for winning a Grammy.

I made a similar observation not so long ago at HQ - not sure if drugs are the answer, but P definitely needs some kind of demons to fight to start his creative juices flowing again. He's too bloody content by half - spiritually and emotionally, and it's BORING! His last great creative phase was 93-95 when he was wrangling with WB - no idea if he partook of any recreational pharmaceuticals during this period, but his troubles helped him make great music. Before that it was Black/Lovesexy period when it's rumoured of he was experimenting with Ecstacy, and that seemed to work out fine!
He's going into middle age all fluffy and happy and content to rest on his laurels and emulate his musical heros rather than be groundbreaking and forge a musical legacy. Great artists need some angst to fuel the creative drive, and he no longer has that.

EvilWhiteMale said:

really? well "LSD, shrooms, datura, morning glory, good absinthe" are all classified as just as hard, if not more (specially shrooms and LSD), depending on the person. it doesn't matter that they're not addictive - they can have lasting psychological effects in some people. and Prince is not just some regular guy, he's got his antennae stuck out there already just like any good musician. drugs and talent in the end are usually a BAD combination for sensitive artist types. i'm sure he's toked on a joint a few times though in the past, so maybe it wouldn't be so bad to responsibly use something softer like that sometime. in the end though, drugs are just a shortcut...even though they could revive something in him that even a musicology lover like myself admits has been lacking at times, it's what's happening in the guy's LIFE that really matters and affects his art the most.

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EvilWhiteMale said:

LMFAO!!!!


So true, so true. I'd pay to see that.

Maybe they edited that scene out of the 'Musicology' video.
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Great thread and some great comments!

Personally, I'd love to hear a Prince album inspired by an LSD/mushroom experience - it would be totally off the wall and astonishing, I suspect.

I also beleive that he has experimented (or,rather, dabbled) in the past and I think you can hear that sometimes in his music. I've listened to lots of him music whilst, shall we say, inspired by one chemical or another and there are some tunes where you hear such detail and references that you think he must have been out of it when making that!

All the best music I listen to was created by known drug-users - I don't believe its a short-cut (as someone here suggested), just a new door with a new path behind it.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Or it might make him itchy all over, wandering around shopping malls babbling...

I can't believe that people actually think it would be a good thing if Prince did drugs!

Normally, I would rant, curse and tell you all where to go! This time I won't, I will just leave you with two words that will hopefully make it crystal clear to you how bad of an idea that is!


Whitney Houston!!!

Oh, and I suppose that everyone is just like Whitney Houston, are they?

That's just a ridiculous statement to make! I'm glad you didn't decide to have a rant, because if it was based on the same logic you have just displayed, frankly, it would have been an utter waste of bandwidth! Just because she's a fuck-up, doesn't mean anyone else would be. Look at Paul McCartney - frequent drug (both "hard" and "soft") taker throughout 2 decades - does he look like a fuck-up to you?

Let me ask you this - do you drink alcohol? Does it follow that, because you drink alcohol you are destined to become an alcoholic? I think not!

In the words of the late, great Bill Hicks - "Not all drugs are good.....some are GREAT!"
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This is the dumbest. stupidest thing I have every seen on this website!

Not only is it inacurate and uninforfomed. It is totally irisponsible!!!!!
Do you realize that there are impressionable, unexperience kids on this website!!!

Even many who are open to recreational, or monitored drug experimentation realise that there are deadly risk with this and minors should not be expossed to it. Why would you throw this out like drugs are candy or something? This is not the place for this type of discussion. There are adult sites for discussing somethinmg like this.

Lets take a look at the artist who have experimented with drug use and where its taken them!

Elvis addicted to "Prescription drugs" - Embassessing pot belly - Depression - Death!

Jimi Hendrix - Couldn't manage his career or money - Poor live performances -Death (He made more money after his death, then when he was alive.)

Louis Armstrong - OD
Charlie Parker - OD
Billy Holiday - OD

How about bands who desentigrated becasue of drugs?

Nirvana
Van Halen
Motley Crue
The Doors
Led Zepplin

Do I need to go further? Someone help me remember some more. Lets list everyone we know who ruined their career or OD'd beacause of drugs!

"Why would I do that here? This is a Prince fan site full of hard core Prince fans. Some people here think Musicology is as good as Lovesexy."

Uh, because of this statement you made---".. But if you ask an average Prince fan to create a list of their top 10 to 20 Prince songs, I bet you 99.9% of them won't list anything from Musicology."



"Then you haven't been paying attention. I've given many detailed explanations as to why I don't like what he does. Maybe you just missed them all or don't want to see them."

It's not that I don't want to see your reasons. I am interested-send me an orgnote.


"I don't think a single track on that shit album sounds like anything from the good ol days."

That's your problem-because it does. 1+1+1=3 IS the MPLS sound.



"Well I still think it's a good idea and I'm sticking to that."

This thread is starting to reveal how people feel about recreational drug use more than how they feel about Prince.

EvilWhiteMale said:

How do you know the people that I mentioned didn't start out using in what you term as "responsible moderation"? Besides the artists I mentioned did use more than just coke, heroin, etc. They were weed smokers, and drinkers and pill poppers also. What you are suggesting is absurd on so many levels.

Mindflux said:

LOL, your reply is a prime enough example of why NOT to do drugs! Thanks for your assistance!

SexyBeautifulOne said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

I hope he never takes drugs 2 satisfy your curiosity. Drugs is not the solution and 2 even suggest he try it IMHO is sick. I have family members on crack and this whole thread suggesting that he try drugs really hurts. I look at my love ones and what crack has done 2 them and 2 hear some of u suggest he try these drugs is unbelievable. Look around and see what drugs have done 2 our people. Some can handle it and some can’t. If u don’t care 4 his music then listen 2 what turns u on. I’m a black woman and I love the fact that he’s not on drugs. So many of my people r dead and messed up behind the same DRUGS u feel may enhance his music or give it a boost 4 your own personal music pleasure.

Maybe its ok 4 u but u have no idea what type of effect it may have on him. Maybe P tried drugs and didn’t like the feeling.

Dissonance u have made such an important statement about young kids being on this web site. There r young kids today that look up 2 people like P and 2 think they r suggesting he try using drugs 4 there musical pleasure is so unbelievable. It’s a shame this thread has lasted this long. How would one of u like 4 your kids or love ones who are into music or whatever 2 experiment with drugs, because someone believe they can do something better under the influence. Evil u said u started a thread similar 2 this and it was locked, well I can see why!
U r out of line and need 2 go and play the music u like and leave it at that. Please don’t tell me anything about drugs. Some can handle it and some can’t and I diffidently don’t need my musical hero 2 live up 2 your expectations and try using drugs that he can easily get hooked on. If this were 2 happen u would be the first 2 sit back and laugh and talk shit about how weak he is 2 let drugs control him.

Please, I hope no one get on me about my statement because this is a touchy subject 4 me. What I’m going thru 2 day with my family behind some sick ass drugs that started out as fun that turned into addition is nothing nice. I read this thread just 2 see where it was going and I’m shocked 2 see how people really feel about his music and him incorporating drugs into it.

Evil! Another thing, just because Musicology is more R&B don’t knock his genius ability 2 get wild. He’s already proven and shown the world what he is capable of doing. He’s the master and can satisfy your musical needs at any given moment.

I'd rather have P put out a million crappy jazz albums than to see him OD.

once again people, buying his new stuff is optional
I doubt that he cares about whether he loses a few 80's fanatics
doing what he feels is right

Y'all can't tell me P didn't smoke a fat one while recording "Sign o The Times". Then take a look at some of the people in his circle, Morris Day, Vanity, Jesse, birds of a feather you know. And you know him and George kicked it for a while. Now, I know I'm going to catch some heat for this post, but when Prince was inbetween bass players can't remember if it was Andre and Mark or Mark and Levi, but a friend of my was really close with the bass player he was touring with at the time who said he dropped off the tour because he was scared off by some of Prince's habits. He had said that Prince and the rest of the band would sit around praying to a statue while smoking rock. Is it true? Don't know. Is it hard to believe? Nope! Who told me this? The bass players mom!

pennylover said:

Pennylover, I lived in Detroit, EastSide, Chalmers and Houston-Whittier and I've seen first hand, the harm, damage and torment that recreational drug use can do! I don't condone it for anyone! Those that use the EXCUSE that it makes things better are only lying to themselves!! I can only pray that they find the strength to face their demons! As for Prince, he's done a marvelous job of showing that a person can make it on their own without drugs, and those that feel otherwise, well we can only hope that they find their own way and not let them have the last say!! Because whether they believe it or not there is a better way!!!

sinisterpentatonic said:

So the bass players Mom came on tour with him? I find that a more than a little hard to believe.



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sinisterpentatonic said:

Ignoring all above statements! Why? Heresay and speculation!! It wouldn't hold up in court and it won't hold up with me!!!

He's already high..... on Jesus.

MetroArea said:

There are worse things!

I am not a drug user, and I don't condone drug use. HOWEVER, it is an undeniable fact that using intoxication as a form of artistic inspiration has been a part of human history since civilization began. Drugs do not produce creativity, but sometimes they can help elicit it. Granted, it irritates the hell out of me whenever people automatically attribute any weird or creative ideas to drug use and when they say shit like it "opens your mind", but there are a number of creative genius' who have been drug users. Now to say the drugs are responsible for the creativity is absolutely false (think of the reverse correlation ie think of how many junkies and stoners there are who couldn't produce a good idea if their lives depended on it), but with some people, it has helped them evoke their latent creativity and overcome their inhibitions. It's also just an unfortunate fact that, drug users or not, many creative geniuses are also disturbed in some way or another and lead hard or depressing lives.

Now in regards to prince, I am actually curious to know what his drug history has been but from my understanding he was more of a dabbler and it would be completely assinine to ascribe his artistic accomplishments to drugs. For one thing there are plenty of prince's greatest inspiration who never used drugs like stevie wonder, duke ellington, and rock's greatest iconoclast of all, who had more freakish creativity in his finger than any ten drug casualty rockstars you could name off the top of your head: frank zappa. Drugs are kind of like creativity steroids, they may help you get there faster, but the risks often far outway that benefit and you could get there without much more healthily.