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Reply #60 posted 02/10/05 2:13pm

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prince's spiritual journey is no different than most. I find many that have the battle, being called of God and yet still yielding to the call of the flesh.

Prince simply had a creative outlet to explore the battle that is in many of us.


Agreed. This is why, I believe, so many connect with Prince beyond his music. I think this is also why there was a sort of back-lash against him when he converted to the JW faith. At that point, he committed to a specific spiritual school of thought, and thus made it harder for some to relate to him, since their spiritual journey had taken them elsewhere.
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Reply #61 posted 02/10/05 2:58pm

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Okay JediMaster,
'fess up. what book are you reading this from? Because this is really really good. Well thought out. You are making me pull out CD's that I just didn't like the melody, and try to find revelation from the lyrics (using your musings as a guide of course).

eek I am starting to feel a little thirsty. Anyone got any purple koolaid??
lol
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Reply #62 posted 02/10/05 3:03pm

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JediMaster said:

This is why, I believe, so many connect with Prince beyond his music. I think this is also why there was a sort of back-lash against him when he converted to the JW faith. At that point, he committed to a specific spiritual school of thought, and thus made it harder for some to relate to him, since their spiritual journey had taken them elsewhere.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head. hammer

I know I, for one... can't relate to him much anymore, since the conversion.

It's all about the guitar playing and discerning his "religious" lyrics now.


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[Edited 2/10/05 15:06pm]
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Reply #63 posted 02/11/05 1:10am

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LovesexyIsThe1 said:


Then we're on 2 totally separate pages.

Anna Stesia is not meant to represent God. He is not asking God to talk to him, ravish him, etc. He is looking for an anaesthetic (in the form of a "beautiful girl the most"), to numb his pain.

I didn't mention it before, but Prince is talking about 2 completely separate entities in the song. A beautiful woman to take his pain away, and then God, who is the only one that can do it.

The song has absolutely nothing to do with the greek word: anastasis, nor the Russian name Anastacia.


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I do agree that the first half of the song he is wanting a beautiful girl to numb his pain. I just think when he sings it after the "Save me Jesus, I've been a fool..." it could change meanings. Note that he sings the line AGAIN during the whole "Love is God, God is Love" bit. Why reprise this if he's found God to TAKE AWAY the pain, rather than numb it?

I think his choice of Anna Stesia is multi-layered in that regard. The fact that the name sounds like anaesthesia, as well as Annastasia (or Annastacia, if you prefer the Russian spelling), is not a coincidence.
[Edited 2/10/05 8:40am]


So Prince is self-medicating here, in a way... hmmm
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Reply #64 posted 02/11/05 1:25am

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LovesexyIsThe1 said:

JediMaster said:

I do agree that the first half of the song he is wanting a beautiful girl to numb his pain. I just think when he sings it after the "Save me Jesus, I've been a fool..." it could change meanings. Note that he sings the line AGAIN during the whole "Love is God, God is Love" bit. Why reprise this if he's found God to TAKE AWAY the pain, rather than numb it?

I think his choice of Anna Stesia is multi-layered in that regard. The fact that the name sounds like anaesthesia, as well as Annastasia (or Annastacia, if you prefer the Russian spelling), is not a coincidence.

I see your point. I didn't take that into consideration. I think he did cause it sounded good, and to reiterate the name of the song. If not, maybe he was mixing the two to show the confusion he had. Just speculating, cause he ends the song abundantly clear, that Love is God.

The word: anaesthesia, pronounced with a long E sound, is not pronounced the same way as "Annastasia" with a long A sound.

Anastacia, ryhmnes with Natasha, and who knows how to pronounce "Anastasis?" The way it's spelled, I would pronounce it with a long A sound as well.

I know it's nitpicking pronunciation, but Prince says the title of the song with a long E sound, therefore I don't see any connection with these other words. He is strictly singing about the anaesthetic.


Speaking of which, poetry/lyrics are not always 100% about verbal pronunciation - there's a "sight rhyme" in his choice of this name. Americans generally do not pronounce "Anastacia" to rhyme with "Natasha" - I find that rather erudite, to tell the truth.

Prince is very visually oriented - his art is as much about visuals as sound! He's a performance artist.
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Reply #65 posted 02/11/05 1:29am

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JediMaster said:

I do agree that the first half of the song he is wanting a beautiful girl to numb his pain. I just think when he sings it after the "Save me Jesus, I've been a fool..." it could change meanings. Note that he sings the line AGAIN during the whole "Love is God, God is Love" bit. Why reprise this if he's found God to TAKE AWAY the pain, rather than numb it?



Might be an indication of his moving away from self-medicating w/ sex, in a way (sex heals his pain, sex as spirituality) to seeking an actual personal relationship w/ the deity - Christ as intermediary to God, rather than sex. Does that make any sense?
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Reply #66 posted 02/11/05 5:57am

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Heiress said:

JediMaster said:

I do agree that the first half of the song he is wanting a beautiful girl to numb his pain. I just think when he sings it after the "Save me Jesus, I've been a fool..." it could change meanings. Note that he sings the line AGAIN during the whole "Love is God, God is Love" bit. Why reprise this if he's found God to TAKE AWAY the pain, rather than numb it?



Might be an indication of his moving away from self-medicating w/ sex, in a way (sex heals his pain, sex as spirituality) to seeking an actual personal relationship w/ the deity - Christ as intermediary to God, rather than sex. Does that make any sense?


EXACTLY what I was trying to say!
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Reply #67 posted 02/11/05 5:59am

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prodigalfan said:

Okay JediMaster,
'fess up. what book are you reading this from? Because this is really really good. Well thought out. You are making me pull out CD's that I just didn't like the melody, and try to find revelation from the lyrics (using your musings as a guide of course).

eek I am starting to feel a little thirsty. Anyone got any purple koolaid??
lol


lol No, this is all my own thoughts on the matter. I've given waaaaayyyy too much thought to Prince's lyrics over the years!
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Reply #68 posted 02/11/05 6:00am

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LovesexyIsThe1 said:

JediMaster said:

This is why, I believe, so many connect with Prince beyond his music. I think this is also why there was a sort of back-lash against him when he converted to the JW faith. At that point, he committed to a specific spiritual school of thought, and thus made it harder for some to relate to him, since their spiritual journey had taken them elsewhere.

Talk about hitting the nail on the head. hammer

I know I, for one... can't relate to him much anymore, since the conversion.

It's all about the guitar playing and discerning his "religious" lyrics now.


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I think the best thing to do is take what you DO find in common with him and enjoy that. If that fails, well, at least you got the guitar playing! wink
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Reply #69 posted 02/12/05 12:52am

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JediMaster said:

prodigalfan said:

Okay JediMaster,
'fess up. what book are you reading this from? Because this is really really good. Well thought out. You are making me pull out CD's that I just didn't like the melody, and try to find revelation from the lyrics (using your musings as a guide of course).

eek I am starting to feel a little thirsty. Anyone got any purple koolaid??
lol


lol No, this is all my own thoughts on the matter. I've given waaaaayyyy too much thought to Prince's lyrics over the years!


You ought to be writing a book, Jedi. If & when I publish something, I'll have to dedicate it to you! wink
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Reply #70 posted 02/12/05 5:44am

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I'd like to have your opinions...

Which albums or periods do you believe were spiritual peaks for Prince?

I'm thinking the three majors are Controversy, Lovesexy and TRC (which brought him artistically full-circle themewise from the time of Controversy, I believe), but I believe that Purple Rain, ATWIAD and SOTT are very relevant as well...

I'm formulating some theories about Prince as an artist; am meeting with an advisor at my University next week... First theme I'm planning to explore is Apollonian and Dionysian elements - obvious, but haven't seen any major scholarship on this yet. (Thanks again to those who responded to my thread on Prince-based academic writing a few months ago...)

For those who do not know me, I've been a fan since his Controversy days, more or less.

[b]
Regarding Princes' spiritual awakening, we have Ingrid Chavez to thank for that!! She gave Prince some acid around the time the infamous "Black " album was to be launched. After a "vision" (or many visions, depending on the quality of the acid) Prince thought the album to dark and/or evil to be released. So he rushed "Lovesexy" out to appease the Warner Bros. assholes he USED TO work for. He took 2 or 3 tracks from the Black album ("when 2 R in love" was one
of 'em) Spiritually speaking, what did he gleen from the "Controversy" or "TRC" periods?? I'd also say that his "symbol" album was a crossroads for him. Most of the tunes have some sort of biblical reference (whether spoken or "gestured to") Brownmark was studying to become one of Jehovahs' Witnesses during filming of "Purple Rain" and the tour that followed. So Prince had his ear to this stuff early on. I studied for almost 3 years ('cause the girl I was seeing was BEYOND fine, but she was a JW. Live and learn, and sorry to those that I bothered at their homes... they made me go door-to-door selling those magazines. Peace & be wild!
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Reply #71 posted 02/12/05 9:27am

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gmoney1966 said:

Heiress said:

I'd like to have your opinions...

Which albums or periods do you believe were spiritual peaks for Prince?

I'm thinking the three majors are Controversy, Lovesexy and TRC (which brought him artistically full-circle themewise from the time of Controversy, I believe), but I believe that Purple Rain, ATWIAD and SOTT are very relevant as well...

I'm formulating some theories about Prince as an artist; am meeting with an advisor at my University next week... First theme I'm planning to explore is Apollonian and Dionysian elements - obvious, but haven't seen any major scholarship on this yet. (Thanks again to those who responded to my thread on Prince-based academic writing a few months ago...)

For those who do not know me, I've been a fan since his Controversy days, more or less.

[b]
Regarding Princes' spiritual awakening, we have Ingrid Chavez to thank for that!! She gave Prince some acid around the time the infamous "Black " album was to be launched. After a "vision" (or many visions, depending on the quality of the acid) Prince thought the album to dark and/or evil to be released. So he rushed "Lovesexy" out to appease the Warner Bros. assholes he USED TO work for. He took 2 or 3 tracks from the Black album ("when 2 R in love" was one
of 'em) Spiritually speaking, what did he gleen from the "Controversy" or "TRC" periods?? I'd also say that his "symbol" album was a crossroads for him. Most of the tunes have some sort of biblical reference (whether spoken or "gestured to") Brownmark was studying to become one of Jehovahs' Witnesses during filming of "Purple Rain" and the tour that followed. So Prince had his ear to this stuff early on. I studied for almost 3 years ('cause the girl I was seeing was BEYOND fine, but she was a JW. Live and learn, and sorry to those that I bothered at their homes... they made me go door-to-door selling those magazines. Peace & be wild!



How much money did you make "selling those magazines" wink ? And how much did you charge?
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Reply #72 posted 02/12/05 8:05pm

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I thought those magazines were free.
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Reply #73 posted 02/13/05 2:09am

Heiress

gmoney1966 said:

Heiress said:

I'd like to have your opinions...

Which albums or periods do you believe were spiritual peaks for Prince?

I'm thinking the three majors are Controversy, Lovesexy and TRC (which brought him artistically full-circle themewise from the time of Controversy, I believe), but I believe that Purple Rain, ATWIAD and SOTT are very relevant as well...

I'm formulating some theories about Prince as an artist; am meeting with an advisor at my University next week... First theme I'm planning to explore is Apollonian and Dionysian elements - obvious, but haven't seen any major scholarship on this yet. (Thanks again to those who responded to my thread on Prince-based academic writing a few months ago...)

For those who do not know me, I've been a fan since his Controversy days, more or less.

[b]
Regarding Princes' spiritual awakening, we have Ingrid Chavez to thank for that!! She gave Prince some acid around the time the infamous "Black " album was to be launched. After a "vision" (or many visions, depending on the quality of the acid) Prince thought the album to dark and/or evil to be released. So he rushed "Lovesexy" out to appease the Warner Bros. assholes he USED TO work for. He took 2 or 3 tracks from the Black album ("when 2 R in love" was one
of 'em) Spiritually speaking, what did he gleen from the "Controversy" or "TRC" periods?? I'd also say that his "symbol" album was a crossroads for him. Most of the tunes have some sort of biblical reference (whether spoken or "gestured to") Brownmark was studying to become one of Jehovahs' Witnesses during filming of "Purple Rain" and the tour that followed. So Prince had his ear to this stuff early on. I studied for almost 3 years ('cause the girl I was seeing was BEYOND fine, but she was a JW. Live and learn, and sorry to those that I bothered at their homes... they made me go door-to-door selling those magazines. Peace & be wild!


wow, that was back in the day... the mags have been free for a long time.
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Reply #74 posted 02/14/05 11:21am

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gmoney1966 said:


Regarding Princes' spiritual awakening, we have Ingrid Chavez to thank for that!! She gave Prince some acid around the time the infamous "Black " album was to be launched.


No, it was X, and its never been substantiated that it was Ingrid who gave it to him.

After a "vision" (or many visions, depending on the quality of the acid) Prince thought the album to dark and/or evil to be released. So he rushed "Lovesexy" out to appease the Warner Bros. assholes he USED TO work for.


He didn't rush it out at all. The "Black" album was set to be released in December of 1987. When Prince cancelled the release, he immediately started work on Lovesexy , which was more in tune with his spiritual ideas at the time. Warner's actually wanted Prince to slow down and take a year off from making music at this point. Lovesexy was released in the spring, due to Prince working on it non-stop (he was on fire to get the album finished. He had a message to get out).


He took 2 or 3 tracks from the Black album ("when 2 R in love" was one
of 'em)


"When 2 R In Love" is the ONLY track from the Black Album to be placed on Lovesexy

Spiritually speaking, what did he gleen from the "Controversy" or "TRC" periods?? I'd also say that his "symbol" album was a crossroads for him. Most of the tunes have some sort of biblical reference (whether spoken or "gestured to")


See my posts above.

Brownmark was studying to become one of Jehovahs' Witnesses during filming of "Purple Rain" and the tour that followed. So Prince had his ear to this stuff early on. I studied for almost 3 years ('cause the girl I was seeing was BEYOND fine, but she was a JW. Live and learn, and sorry to those that I bothered at their homes... they made me go door-to-door selling those magazines. Peace & be wild!


Its true that Brownmark became a JW, although it wasn't until he'd left the Revolution. The person who actually introduced P to the JW faith was George Benson.
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Reply #75 posted 02/14/05 9:22pm

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Its true that Brownmark became a JW, although it wasn't until he'd left the Revolution. The person who actually introduced P to the JW faith was George Benson.


wow never realized Prince was friends with Benson in those days. I wonder if George or Prince has ever publically mentioned this. But they are both amazing guitarist, a collaboration would be nice.
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Reply #76 posted 02/15/05 1:09am

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Haha, get this...

After discussing multudinous possibilities with my advisor (for another day, my friends), we've settled on "the utopian prince" and a comparative study of Prince's Sexuality with Madonna's "Sex!"

Their attitude towards sex & spirituality was far too similar at one time. wink
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Reply #77 posted 02/15/05 6:34am

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Heiress said:

Haha, get this...

After discussing multudinous possibilities with my advisor (for another day, my friends), we've settled on "the utopian prince" and a comparative study of Prince's Sexuality with Madonna's "Sex!"

Their attitude towards sex & spirituality was far too similar at one time. wink


Now here I go on another tangent.
It is interesting choice of words, Prince's sexuality vs Madonna's sex.
Although both were sexually explicity, Prince's sexual expression was more just that, an expression of his inner thoughts and feelings. Jedi also enlighten me about how sexuality demonstrated the inner battle Prince was having with his Id and his Super ego. (fleshly needs versus spiritaul needs). Madonna used sexuality as a tool. I think Madonna played more into the shock value than even Prince. And for some reason, I think Prince's sexual expression as being more sensual, fierce lovemaking where Madonna's expression was just a cold hard foch.
Maybe I think this was because I always had a crush on the light skinned boys with pretty eyes and big afro's. love
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Reply #78 posted 02/15/05 6:43am

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Soulchild82 said:

Its true that Brownmark became a JW, although it wasn't until he'd left the Revolution. The person who actually introduced P to the JW faith was George Benson.


wow never realized Prince was friends with Benson in those days. I wonder if George or Prince has ever publically mentioned this. But they are both amazing guitarist, a collaboration would be nice.


Keep in mind, Prince didn't start studying with the Witnesses until 1998. Basically, it goes like this: Prince was aware of the JWs, but didn't know a whole lot about them (Brownmark had converted, but Prince didn't get into a whole lot of conversations with him).

A few meetings with Benson in the 1990s piqued Prince's interest. When George recorded at Paisley in 1995/96, they discussed it a little further. After Prince and Mayte's child died, he was looking for a little more structure to his spirituality. When he invited Larry Graham to open for him in 1997, they became fast friends, and Prince asked Larry to give him more info about the faith. Both Larry and George were advisors to him as he questioned whether or not he believed their doctrines. Prince studied with the JWs for several years therafter, but didn't become a full, baptised member until 2002.
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Reply #79 posted 02/15/05 6:47am

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Heiress said:

Haha, get this...

After discussing multudinous possibilities with my advisor (for another day, my friends), we've settled on "the utopian prince" and a comparative study of Prince's Sexuality with Madonna's "Sex!"

Their attitude towards sex & spirituality was far too similar at one time. wink


Now here I go on another tangent.
It is interesting choice of words, Prince's sexuality vs Madonna's sex.
Although both were sexually explicity, Prince's sexual expression was more just that, an expression of his inner thoughts and feelings. Jedi also enlighten me about how sexuality demonstrated the inner battle Prince was having with his Id and his Super ego. (fleshly needs versus spiritaul needs). Madonna used sexuality as a tool. I think Madonna played more into the shock value than even Prince. And for some reason, I think Prince's sexual expression as being more sensual, fierce lovemaking where Madonna's expression was just a cold hard foch.
Maybe I think this was because I always had a crush on the light skinned boys with pretty eyes and big afro's. love


I think Prince started out with the intent to shock, and then developed more into an artist who wanted to break down taboos and actually reflect on sexuality and spirituality. Madonna, on the other hand, moved further into the shock value thing, until she kind of reached a boiling over point. Eventually, she decided to be a more "serious" artist as well, but it took her a lot longer to start truly exploring her spirituality (it was a component of her music before, but again, was more for shock back then)
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Reply #80 posted 02/15/05 6:59am

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prodigalfan said:

Heiress said:

Haha, get this...

After discussing multudinous possibilities with my advisor (for another day, my friends), we've settled on "the utopian prince" and a comparative study of Prince's Sexuality with Madonna's "Sex!"

Their attitude towards sex & spirituality was far too similar at one time. wink


Now here I go on another tangent.
It is interesting choice of words, Prince's sexuality vs Madonna's sex.
Although both were sexually explicity, Prince's sexual expression was more just that, an expression of his inner thoughts and feelings. Jedi also enlighten me about how sexuality demonstrated the inner battle Prince was having with his Id and his Super ego. (fleshly needs versus spiritaul needs). Madonna used sexuality as a tool. I think Madonna played more into the shock value than even Prince. And for some reason, I think Prince's sexual expression as being more sensual, fierce lovemaking where Madonna's expression was just a cold hard foch.
Maybe I think this was because I always had a crush on the light skinned boys with pretty eyes and big afro's. love


Madonna's "Sex," I find, is a utopian world all its own as well. She prefaces the book, for Pete's sake, with a comment about God - all but declares sex as an intermediary, as Prince did.

Prince most definitely had (has) his exhibitionist side. Some of the things he used to do in concert, for instance... The buttless pants? sheesh...
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Reply #81 posted 02/15/05 7:01am

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JediMaster said:

prodigalfan said:



Now here I go on another tangent.
It is interesting choice of words, Prince's sexuality vs Madonna's sex.
Although both were sexually explicity, Prince's sexual expression was more just that, an expression of his inner thoughts and feelings. Jedi also enlighten me about how sexuality demonstrated the inner battle Prince was having with his Id and his Super ego. (fleshly needs versus spiritaul needs). Madonna used sexuality as a tool. I think Madonna played more into the shock value than even Prince. And for some reason, I think Prince's sexual expression as being more sensual, fierce lovemaking where Madonna's expression was just a cold hard foch.
Maybe I think this was because I always had a crush on the light skinned boys with pretty eyes and big afro's. love


I think Prince started out with the intent to shock, and then developed more into an artist who wanted to break down taboos and actually reflect on sexuality and spirituality. Madonna, on the other hand, moved further into the shock value thing, until she kind of reached a boiling over point. Eventually, she decided to be a more "serious" artist as well, but it took her a lot longer to start truly exploring her spirituality (it was a component of her music before, but again, was more for shock back then)


What's interesting is that they almost exactly the same age, and that they arrived at this "spiritual" apex at around the same time.

Prince seems to have had a boiling over point as well, albeit in a more personal way perhaps...
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Reply #82 posted 02/15/05 7:07am

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Heiress said:

prodigalfan said:



Now here I go on another tangent.
It is interesting choice of words, Prince's sexuality vs Madonna's sex.
Although both were sexually explicity, Prince's sexual expression was more just that, an expression of his inner thoughts and feelings. Jedi also enlighten me about how sexuality demonstrated the inner battle Prince was having with his Id and his Super ego. (fleshly needs versus spiritaul needs). Madonna used sexuality as a tool. I think Madonna played more into the shock value than even Prince. And for some reason, I think Prince's sexual expression as being more sensual, fierce lovemaking where Madonna's expression was just a cold hard foch.
Maybe I think this was because I always had a crush on the light skinned boys with pretty eyes and big afro's. love


Madonna's "Sex," I find, is a utopian world all its own as well. She prefaces the book, for Pete's sake, with a comment about God - all but declares sex as an intermediary, as Prince did.

Prince most definitely had (has) his exhibitionist side. Some of the things he used to do in concert, for instance... The buttless pants? sheesh...


Very true. I just think, overall, Prince had a little more focus to his. Maddy didn't really get focused until around Ray Of Light.
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Reply #83 posted 02/15/05 7:10am

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Heiress said:

JediMaster said:



I think Prince started out with the intent to shock, and then developed more into an artist who wanted to break down taboos and actually reflect on sexuality and spirituality. Madonna, on the other hand, moved further into the shock value thing, until she kind of reached a boiling over point. Eventually, she decided to be a more "serious" artist as well, but it took her a lot longer to start truly exploring her spirituality (it was a component of her music before, but again, was more for shock back then)


What's interesting is that they almost exactly the same age, and that they arrived at this "spiritual" apex at around the same time.

Prince seems to have had a boiling over point as well, albeit in a more personal way perhaps...


True. Prince's quest was much more open and apparent in his music. Maddy seemed to really explode into spirituality all at once. Of course, that's probably not the case at all. I don't think she really knew how to express herself in this regard until she reached a certain age.
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Reply #84 posted 02/15/05 7:35am

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JediMaster said:

Heiress said:



What's interesting is that they almost exactly the same age, and that they arrived at this "spiritual" apex at around the same time.

Prince seems to have had a boiling over point as well, albeit in a more personal way perhaps...


True. Prince's quest was much more open and apparent in his music. Maddy seemed to really explode into spirituality all at once. Of course, that's probably not the case at all. I don't think she really knew how to express herself in this regard until she reached a certain age.


A big, big difference between our perceptions of Prince and that of Madonna is the differences in their communications with the press...
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Reply #85 posted 02/15/05 11:38am

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Heiress said:

JediMaster said:



True. Prince's quest was much more open and apparent in his music. Maddy seemed to really explode into spirituality all at once. Of course, that's probably not the case at all. I don't think she really knew how to express herself in this regard until she reached a certain age.


A big, big difference between our perceptions of Prince and that of Madonna is the differences in their communications with the press...


True. I also think it has alot to do with Prince letting the music "do the talking for him", for so many years, regarding his spiritual views. Now, Maddy's doing the same thing, but back in the day she really didn't get quite so deep into it.
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Do not hurry yourself in your spirit to become offended, for the taking of offense is what rests in the bosom of the stupid ones. (Ecclesiastes 7:9)
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Reply #86 posted 02/15/05 4:42pm

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JediMaster said:

Heiress said:



A big, big difference between our perceptions of Prince and that of Madonna is the differences in their communications with the press...


True. I also think it has alot to do with Prince letting the music "do the talking for him", for so many years, regarding his spiritual views. Now, Maddy's doing the same thing, but back in the day she really didn't get quite so deep into it.



Mads has always had a very spiritual side... the first part of her carear she spent most of the time escaping the strangle hold the Catholic Church has on its follows when it comes to sex. it wasn't until she was able to find a way to break free of the Catholic view of sex that she was able to start showing her progess in the spiritual relm.


From the Like a Prayer video to Blonde Ambition to The Beast Within and on you can see the evolution of the spirtuality.
You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
authentic power is service- Pope Francis
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Reply #87 posted 02/15/05 9:06pm

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Wow, this is probably the most enlightening thread I've read in ages.
Thanx for your insights JediMaster and Heiress. Copying and printing this thread for future reference. It's amazing how examining the spiritual & sexual journey of one person can prove to be so thought-provoking.

Keep up with your reviews JediMaster, and when you finish your report Heiress, email me.
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Reply #88 posted 02/16/05 12:00am

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[b]U R suppose to get 25 cents for each copy, to defray your costs (because they have you purchase them before you go door-to-door) That way, they're paid for and it's up to you to get your money back sellin' 'em.
Regarding Princes' spiritual awakening, we have Ingrid Chavez to thank for that!! She gave Prince some acid around the time the infamous "Black " album was to be launched. After a "vision" (or many visions, depending on the quality of the acid) Prince thought the album to dark and/or evil to be released. So he rushed "Lovesexy" out to appease the Warner Bros. assholes he USED TO work for. He took 2 or 3 tracks from the Black album ("when 2 R in love" was one
of 'em) Spiritually speaking, what did he gleen from the "Controversy" or "TRC" periods?? I'd also say that his "symbol" album was a crossroads for him. Most of the tunes have some sort of biblical reference (whether spoken or "gestured to") Brownmark was studying to become one of Jehovahs' Witnesses during filming of "Purple Rain" and the tour that followed. So Prince had his ear to this stuff early on. I studied for almost 3 years ('cause the girl I was seeing was BEYOND fine, but she was a JW. Live and learn, and sorry to those that I bothered at their homes... they made me go door-to-door selling those magazines. Peace & be wild!



How much money did you make "selling those magazines" wink ? And how much did you charge?
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Reply #89 posted 02/16/05 12:07am

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Regarding Princes' spiritual awakening, we have Ingrid Chavez to thank for that!! She gave Prince some acid around the time the infamous "Black " album was to be launched.


No, it was X, and its never been substantiated that it was Ingrid who gave it to him.



See my posts above.

Brownmark was studying to become one of Jehovahs' Witnesses during filming of "Purple Rain" and the tour that followed. So Prince had his ear to this stuff early on. I studied for almost 3 years ('cause the girl I was seeing was BEYOND fine, but she was a JW. Live and learn, and sorry to those that I bothered at their homes... they made me go door-to-door selling those magazines. Peace & be wild!


Its true that Brownmark became a JW, although it wasn't until he'd left the Revolution. The person who actually introduced P to the JW faith was George Benson.

[b]So you're saying from cancelation of Black in Dec. til that spring isn't rushing an album out, Jedi?? And what exactly do U use for your info gathering. You're off the mark on more than a few occasions.
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