FunkiestOne said:

There are orginizations that award it's members at the expense of others,
and there are orginizations that award it's members without the expense
of others...y'all can sort them out...



edit:
...i don't believe this thread is still around...
[Edited 1/24/05 18:14pm]

FunkiestOne said:

Yes, this is sad. Sorry, but that is a very ignorant statement. "People who give awards based on the color of the artist's skin..." You haven't really answered any of the questions that other people have asked. Obviously, you don't have educated answers OR you are trying really hard to just stir up controversy.

It's interesting how people aren't disagreeing with what I'm saying so much. Instead, they are making it a personal attack and suggesting there is something wrong with me, etc. That is the most pathetic sign of a weak debater, although "debate" is certainly too kind a word to describe most of the responses.

Basically, it seems that most of your are saying that because you think some other award shows are racist, then it's OK for the NAACP awards to be racist too. That's OK with me. My one and only point is that the NAACP awards are racist, so you are just agreeing with me.

I'm not interested in debating other award shows or the role of race in our society or anything else like that. It just doesn't interest me.

One of my favorite Prince songs is "Race" and I know many people here think it is naive and stupid. That's just a difference of opinion and shows why we differ on how we view the NAACP awards.

FunkiestOne said:

I have an idea that they hope to recognize exemplary people of color in all facets of business, industry and entertainment. Now that R Kelly debacle was just that...but it's more a recognition of someone who has represented good qualities within the race and has excelled in their persuits..
I think it's good we're having this discussion. I'm another one of mixed heritage including Cuban, Black, American Indian AND white. I embrace em all. As I see Prince recognized with these nomininations...I think of a little kid, whatever color, that may see him as a role model to strive for...or a person of color who might find inspiration in his journey and accomplishments.
Folks, there is only ONE race...the HUMAN race. And if we focus on hues...we're all gonna lose.
Lastly, for an organization to recognize the contributions of people of color is not racist...it's reparation. 200 years of opression is not so easily undone..

You GO Prince! I hope u nab both awards!

Snap said:

I partially agree with you on the NAAWP,because a poor white student is forced to attend the same under-performing public schools that minority students attend but poor white students can't take advantage of affirmative action. At times, white students think they have lost a position at a university to a minority when in all likelihood they lost out to a priveleged, better-educated white student.

FunkiestOne said:

actually 'race' used to be one of my favs from the come album too. i used to respect prince for his stance (or what i thought was his stance) on the race issue. which is why his switch circa TRC turned me so totally off his message


anyway the NAACP is obviously racist. i mean come on : national association for the advancement of colored people, right? could it be any more clear?
[Edited 1/25/05 11:48am]

XxAxX said:

Name one racist thing that the NAACP has done. Recognizing a person for their achievements is not racism.

compare to the NAAWP national association for the advancement of white people

and see how you feel? your reaction?

XxAxX said:

You did not answer my question. Name one racists thing that the NAACP has ever done. White people run this damn country, in case you've forgotten.

illimack said:

well promoting one race over another for one thing. that would be racsim, now wouldn't it?

XxAxX said:

You're joking right ? "Promoting ?" I guess they did "promote" the whole "colored only" thing in the south to the rest of the country. And they did "promote" the back of the bus program.....

XxAxX said:

I could care less about the NAACP, but your point is ridiculous.
Has there ever been a need for a NAAWP? Do you have any idea what the NAACP actually does?

XxAxX said:

Do you have any idea what the NAACP is about? Do you have any idea why it was founded? Black people were sytematically and legally held back in this country for HUNDREDS OF YEARS. The NAACP was created in the 60's during the civil rights movement to help colored people get thier foot in the door. It is not "promoting" any race. Do your damn research about the civil rights movement before you make ignorant statements like this. I ususally have respect for the things that you say on the org, but the NAACP is something that you clearly know nothing about. You're so stuck on Prince being "racist" now that you are starting to see racism in everything.

illimack said:

ummm. sorry illimack. don't get your undies all in a bunch. yeah i rag on prince for making stupid music like 'avalanche' where he actually ignores the societal context of that era and attacks the person who abolished slavery but that's because i think he could be spending his time better. that's just my 2c. feel free to disrespect me and my posts or whateva

and excuse me, you're right, in a small way. the term i was searching for is 'reverse racism', not 'racism'. technically what the NAACP does is considered 'reverse racism', not 'racism'

here is the definition right straight from webster's dictionary:

Reverse racism is a controversial concept; it refers to a form of discrimination against a dominant group. In the United States, many people, mostly conservatives, criticize policies such as affirmative action as an example of reverse racism. They say that these policies are race-based discrimination. Supporters of affirmative action argue that affirmative action policies counteract a systemic and cultural racism by providing a balancing force, and that affirmative action does not qualify as racist because the policies are enacted by politicians (who are mostly part of the white majority in the United States) and directed towards their own race.
Some Americans believe that reverse racism exists in the United States, but that it is cultural racism, and not primarily systemic. For example, some African-Americans discriminate against white people -- this too can be called reverse racism. But some would argue that this is not racism (which they would see as primarily systemic) but actually personal prejudice because African-Americans lack the cultural, political and economic resources to systemically disenfranchise European Americans.
In addition, some white people believe that political correctness has led to a denigration of the white race, through perceived special attention paid to minority races. For example, they consider the existence of Black History Month (February) but not a White History Month, Amerindian History Month, or Asian History Month to be de facto racism directed at the majority and non-black minorities. Yet again, others argue that the lack of a White History Month is due to the fact that much of the school year is devoted to teaching history from the viewpoints of white conquerors and slave owners.
http://www.webster-dictio...ion/racism

OdysseyMiles said:

look, you're misunderstanding the tone of my posts. maybe because it's such a sensitive issue, i don't know.

I AM NOT SAYING THE NAACP IS BAD. what the NAACP does is positive.

NAACP = GOOD

i agree that black people have been extremely unfairly treated in america.

i agree that it is good that the NAACP works to advance colored people.

i am ALSO pointing out the NAACP does not mean 'society for the advancement of all human beings'. i am pointing out that because it does not actively also promote white people, it is a racially oriented group, and oriented toward 'colored people'

are you so angry that you can't even see this point?

you wanna see some real fucking racism here on the ORG? check out this thread and what lil old kdj997 is saying about white people.

not one of yas is protesting this shit though. saving your energy for so-called 'attacks' on the NAACP, are we? guess it's okay when whitey is the target, right? huh?


ive just read MALCOLM X'S autobiography

http://www.prince.org/msg/105/130813

kdj997
Did I type something that wasn't true? I am scared of white people. I'm afraid to have kids with you crackers running around... I'm only partly joking. Of course it's not all white people and if you want to think about it on an intellectual level the reason it appears that whites are stereotyped as the only group associated with atrocities like that is because it's so many of them in this country. Blacks are only 12% so obviously it’s less of a chance that one would be afflicted with that sort of mental sickness but it’s still fun to call ignorant, racist whites on shit like that.

kdj997
American Whites are just more violent than most. hey, it's true. Killing and harassing blacks for no reason other than to mask their own insecurities about their position in this country. As wrong as it may be to say this, it makes you think twice about trusting any of them. I have the feeling that the only reason th sort of behavior that went on in the past isn't happening today is cause the cowards are so weak that they don't think they have mass support. So they suck it up and put up with minorities. Now obviously that's not all white people.

Black people didn't realize that the white man raged war on them (or at the very least viewed them as competitors for the country who needed to be subdued). Every home in every rural southern town on the backside of the Mason Dixon should've had an armed watch. The community should've been smart enough to realize that but youcan't put too much blame on them because they didn't realize the monsters (devil is too good of a word because it's such an extreme that it paints them as a caricature of evil) raged war on them.

I was watching Unforgivable Blackness last Monday and Tuesday and it was evident that black folks had no idea what theyw ere up against. Jack Johnson should've only fought black opponents and kept the title within the race if that's the whites played it before and after he was champ. Treating people like that the same way they treat you is the only way to get their small minds to understand how much pain they're causing.

why are we still talking about this?!?!!?

IM JACKING THE HELL OUTTA THIS THREAD NOW..(hope it works)

PRINCE AND AWARDS -- WILL HE GET LUCKY THIS YEAR!?

well what do yall think, i dont give a flying fuck about race and all that shit im just saying AWARDS IN GENERAL...think he'll sweep up this year?

XxAxX said:

I would never waste my time being angry with a girl who's name I can't even pronounce. You never make me angry, honey. It's always a pleasure .
Like I said before, I'm really not concerned about the NAACP but I at least understand how and why the organization came to be. Can you tell me why white people would need such an organization? If the United States government was originally geared towards the "advancement of all people" then there may not have been a need for the NAACP or other such organizations founded for the advancement of minorities.

XxAxX said:

Now you are saying the NAACP is a "racially oriented group." Cool I have no problem with that. But you initially said that the NAACP was RACIST. That's when people got upset and called you out. Nothing that they have ever done has been to oppress any other group. Their purpose is not to "discriminate" or "resversely discriminate" against any group. They do not have the power to enact legislation. Will they show up and protest against certain things.. Yes. But they do not make the laws.

P.S.
As far as that silly Malcom X thread...
that shit was too stupid to respond to. It was obviosuly someone baiting and I'm sure it will be locked if it isn't already.

illimack said:

oh. ok. well, that's my bad then. i never meant to say the NAACP is 'bad' racist, just that it's definitely oriented toward "people of color", and in that sense is racist/racially oriented.

FunkiestOne said:

You can keep trying to misunderstand this point if you want to but basically you logic is incorrect. There is nothing wrong with a culture celebrating itself. You foolishly and incorrectly compared the NAACP to the KKK which is the stupidest thing I have read posted on this site thus far this year. You are also trying to hold on to that point and paint yourself as some sort of raceless soothsayer that everyone is just not getting.

Bullshit!!! A true raceless person can celebrate everyones race and culture. A true raceless person would not try to compare afirmative action with Jim Crowe laws and a true raceless person has at least on some level studied the races in which he or she would speak on. You are not that person by a long shot and given your continued stance on this faulty logic you never will be.

So keep telling yourself your right keep lying to yourself and all those around you about how you experienced racism when posting your foolish responses. Maybe one day many years from now when you die God will bless you with being a black person in your next life and you can see for yourself just how stupid your argument is.

Oh and by the by the true sign of a weak debator is when they continue to hold on to points that have clearly been shot down by the other debator.
[Edited 1/27/05 14:56pm]

I think before anyone makes any more crazy comments about the NAACP, they should listen to "Dear Mr. Man" in a dark room.....

djvict88 said:

just a bit of information Princes's mother and father was Black (may they rest in peace)

XxAxX said:

I think you and some others don't realize that the NAACP is a 93 year old organization and if it wasn't around, I wouldn't as well as my child wouldn't be able to attend schools with white children, etc. I think "we" are getting too offended with these threads to the point that we aren't really being objective and understand the point of them.

Do your history on the organization before you bash it and understand that you wouldn't be on this site about a black man if not for organizations like this.

Rhondab said:

This pretty much sums it up. I can't these racists claiming that black organizations are racist, then when caught, they act as if they have been victimized.

xpsiter said:

Thank You! I was about 2 go off on someone in here! Where did anyone get the notion that he was of mixed race? Not that it matters; but damn if your a true fan at least keep your facts straight!

djvict88 said:

the billboard awards are a big joke and the grammy's are not to far from that. the grammy's are giving the awards to the musicians that don't deserve the award. the SOUL TRAIN AWARDS are the best!

Gold319 said:

Will prince be there?????