Ifsixwuz9 said: Anxiety said: there are a bunch of prince CDs i don't like...Rave and Exodus come to mind...but N.E.W.S. is one i happen to like. go figure. You don't like Exodus. May the wrath of all that is funky come crashing down upon you. well, at least i know Exodus won't be crashing down on me, then! | |
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It is a great album,because it is different then anything else he did.
The beauty of being a Prince fan is he challenges you to expand your tastes in music & really everything! | |
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OnionJuice said: If Prince can released the NEWS album, then why not release the Madhouse project?
good point!!!!! | |
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I think N.E.W.S,TRC,C-NOTE, XPECTATION and ONA(piano) amounts to Prince's most fruitful period | |
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While I am glad that Prince has stretched himself out with NEWS, I haven't gotten into it yet. I really liked Madhouse 8 and 16 (and both 24 albums) but Xpectation and NEWS leave me blank. I waited a year before I bought it, and have listened to it only a few times. I like jazz, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fit into my CD rotation.
Congrats to Prince for having the cashews to release it. Nice to see that he still doesn't want to be placed on a shelf somewhere. Funk, rock, gospel, piano, accoustic, and jazz. Keeping all those plates spinning is a challenge in itself. The expanded version of my book PRINCE and The Purple Rain Era Studio Sessions 1983-1984 was released in November 2018. (www.amazon.com/gp/product/1538114623/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0) or www.facebook.com/groups/1...104195943/ | |
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I never listen to SNOOZE or Musicolonicirrigation. The former is utterly boring (especially considering the two instrumental/mostly instrumental albums he gave away as downloads - Xpectation and C-NOTE, masterpieces both). The latter is bland, safe and utterly predictable - it's an album for a fortysomething lapsed Price fan who hasn't bought a CD in three years. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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This is definantly a subjective topic.. but I will proceed with my view.
NEWS (imo) is a semi-concept prince came up with.. perhaps after it was recorded.. He brought the musicians in.. they did a improv type performance with him and provided a skeletan type performance.. meaning that they threw the basis down for the tracks.. and kindof vibed to it and did their own small pieces to the pie. Later, Prince went back and added the usual overdubs (which sounds like a good majority of what I hear on those tracks.. minus drums and horns.) Now, There isnt nothing spectacular about this album by anymeans.. I dont think the actual concept was to cover new grounds.. I honestly think he had a good intention and felt like it was good music.. so he threw out his usual babbling about it and released it cause us fans like his eclectic musical mind. My favorite track is the first track on the album (North i believe) true it sounds semi-soft porn music.. but its a beautiful composition and its a track that could have lasted (to me) Longer than the actual track was intended.. everything up to the wind (guitar sounds) at the end.. is just an amazing moment in prince music for me.. the guitar solo's sounds like some organic instrument trying to communicate to someone.. The rest? well.. Prince was very smart in letting everyone hear the very cool sample in East (the dramatic guitar part).. it got me way excited when I first heard it.. it thought prince was fixing to explore some major experimental grounds.. and that one moment on the album actually made me think he was gonna elaborate more of that sound.. but he didnt.. and other than that..? there wasnt anything left of that track worth hearing. The latter two tracks are very bland to me.. at first glance they were very neat sounding.. but the adjustment of getting acquanted with them left me stale.. So I guess my rating would go as follows North - 4 Stars East - 3 Stars West - 2 Stars South - 2 Stars Almost a 3 star album for me. | |
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Sdldawn said: This is definantly a subjective topic.. but I will proceed with my view.
NEWS (imo) is a semi-concept prince came up with.. perhaps after it was recorded.. He brought the musicians in.. they did a improv type performance with him and provided a skeletan type performance.. meaning that they threw the basis down for the tracks.. and kindof vibed to it and did their own small pieces to the pie. Later, Prince went back and added the usual overdubs (which sounds like a good majority of what I hear on those tracks.. minus drums and horns.) Now, There isnt nothing spectacular about this album by anymeans.. I dont think the actual concept was to cover new grounds.. I honestly think he had a good intention and felt like it was good music.. so he threw out his usual babbling about it and released it cause us fans like his eclectic musical mind. My favorite track is the first track on the album (North i believe) true it sounds semi-soft porn music.. but its a beautiful composition and its a track that could have lasted (to me) Longer than the actual track was intended.. everything up to the wind (guitar sounds) at the end.. is just an amazing moment in prince music for me.. the guitar solo's sounds like some organic instrument trying to communicate to someone.. The rest? well.. Prince was very smart in letting everyone hear the very cool sample in East (the dramatic guitar part).. it got me way excited when I first heard it.. it thought prince was fixing to explore some major experimental grounds.. and that one moment on the album actually made me think he was gonna elaborate more of that sound.. but he didnt.. and other than that..? there wasnt anything left of that track worth hearing. The latter two tracks are very bland to me.. at first glance they were very neat sounding.. but the adjustment of getting acquanted with them left me stale.. So I guess my rating would go as follows North - 4 Stars East - 3 Stars West - 2 Stars South - 2 Stars Almost a 3 star album for me. Good review. That's how it should be done.... ANJI! I'm not familiar enough with the album to rate it myself although I do have it. I only play it at night when I'm going to sleep-- seriously. | |
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Anxiety said: Ifsixwuz9 said: You don't like Exodus. May the wrath of all that is funky come crashing down upon you. well, at least i know Exodus won't be crashing down on me, then! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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pennylover said: tricky99 said: Really it is a case of different stokes for different folks. Everyone is not going to like N.E.W.S (or for that matter any particular prince release). So many people come to Prince's music from different perspectives that for a every release there are people who love the work and people who do not.
N.E.W.S is an experiment. Prince pushing himself to do something he had not done before. I can understand it not being your cup-of-tea but the out right dismissal of it as crap or sh*t bothers me. Not any ole body could produce it. There is so much Prince in that 56 minutes of music. Anyone who has followed and studied Prince surely hear's the echo of everything he has musically accomplished somewhere within that work. It doesn't pander to anyone notion of what a song/album should be. It's structure doesn't not fit within the limitations that people have been lead to believe exist. It doesn't fit comfortably within any genre. Is it Ambient? Is it jazz? is it easy-listening? Is it avant-garde? is it funk? Of course the answer is Yes to all these questions. That in itself makes it the most Princely of compositions. It is not "owned" by our expectations. Beautifully Said! Unless you think the answer is "no" to everything except easy listening. "Quiet Storm" is about the only genre I have trouble giving a chance. | |
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I hate it. Boring! Not real songs! Nothing like Madhouse! Not funky at all! Just Jazz music, because his dad died. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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Anji said: 4 papabeat 2 xperience:
"N*E*W*S" in Review What follows is a hybrid of sorts; part review, part listing of my favorite musical moments, part general observations, part thinking out loud as to the possible story locked inside this musical work. And it seems somewhat logical to do it this way, as this album sounds like a hybrid of live improvisational jamming on loosely sketched-out blueprints and after-the-event studio wizardry that brought it all into a cohesive, deliberate, mostly premeditated whole. "North" Highlights and Musings: 1) I like its overall unforced, serious-but-laid-back, organic charm. 2) So smooth and chilled out that it makes for the perfect antithetical complement to the album's feverish closer. 3) It feels spot on at nearly 14 minutes. Not like a 4-minute track stretched out beyond purpose, or even 3 or 4 pieces molded together like we'll hear later. 4) The near flawless nature of the composition that seamlessly melds the worlds of jazz, ambient, funk and rock. This is a very original piece that beautifully preps the vibe for what's to follow. There are certainly traces of "North" in past Prince music, but he's never been this successful or natural in pulling it all off. 5) The little quirks that are added here and there, like being able to hear the clacking of Eric Leeds' sax keys at one point. 6) The train-whistle synths at 1:00 that signal the oncoming sax. 7) The way the conflictive sounds of the mystical strings and the gravel-throated guitar intertwine at 3:10. 8) The anguished guitar that peeks and pokes about before becoming "North's" stunning centerpiece at 6:19. 9) The calming piano at 8:58 that caresses us back to health after the onslaught of melancholy. 10) Leeds' sweetly coaxed butterfly sax notes at 11:38 that appear to give rise to the north wind. 11) The barren north winds that blow us out of the experience. A cry from a whale or a wolf can be heard in the distance at 12:43 and again at 13:14. It feels cold and lonely here. Snow blowing, causing a whiteout. Waves crashing against the icy shore. We long for some warmth, energy, neighbors, kinship. "East" Highlights and Musings: 1) The musical changes and transitions, the challenge, the complexity and the experimental vibe of the entire piece. Nothing Prince had done previously -- outside of perhaps the avant-garde "Cutz" from "Kamasutra" -- could have prepared you properly for this. 2) The "steel-drum" sound that eventually persuades the snake-charming flute out of its comfort zone. Are the natives being seduced out of their homeland? 3) The drum breakdown that foretells of building strife. 4) The angered metal guitar thrusts like that of a powerful army surging forward to stomp out rebellion, matched by oriental key figures that build in fervency and incite anxious, circling, hornet's-nest guitar, and a sax that answers in kind. The pieces most troubling, most hostile, most intense moment. Colonialism pushing eastward? Communism forcing its hand in China and southeast Asia? Perhaps just the general and constant unrest in the region? 5) The nice transition from the powerful entangled sounds of west-meets-east-without-an-invite through the use of funk guitar that leads us straight into a wall of modern jazz, and later fusion with intensified sax that's matched by gurgling organ and more funky guitar. 6) The irresistible combination of chicken-scratch guitar at 10:03 and the deeply funky baritone sax that it conjures. 7) Perhaps the sounds of the last gasps of a once great army's influence slowly being deflated at 11:07. Listen in particular to the sounds at 12:02, that's the same aggressive rock surges heard earlier. But this time they come across as weakened and in retreat. Is this the resistance giving out or the occupying force? 8) The standup electric double bass solo that stirs memories of the middle-marker breakdown in John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme". The aftermath of war? Digging out from under foreign rule? 9) Bringing the piece to a sober place of mourning with only the sad, lonely strings of the sitar. Perhaps grieving the current war-torn nations of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Israel/Palestine, to name but a few? "West" Highlights and Musings: 1) The opening 3:30 that nearly packs the aching, bittersweet beauty of "Purple Rain" or "Just My Imagination". I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to hear this turn up on a future project as a fully structured gospel/blues/rock/soul anthem. 2) After the harsh complexity of "East", starting the "West" off in a more soulful and accessible direction seems just what the doctor ordered. 3) At 3:58 is that Columbus and his boys that can be heard sailing west in search of riches or the slave ships bringing over the human riches that will build much of the west? 4) The striding and soulful neo-Madhouse groove that is the "West's" mid-section, delivering a strong sense of purposeful adventure. It feels as if we're on a journey into the unknown, yet still confident and hopeful of what lies ahead. 5) Eric stepping proudly forward at 7:36 and delivering a statement funky enough to inspire a hip-hopper who has never even cracked a jazz album. 6) The way in which at 8:31 the groove immediately turns deadly serious with the introduction of Prince's shrieking guitar that later gets squeezed out urgently in energetic licks of stinging pain until the whole piece slows down and settles in a dark place of utter depravity. Is this the slavery era in America and some of its aftermath? This section just shreds the soul. It's like you're being chained and whipped. One of the most starkly poignant passages in Prince history. 7) You almost get lost in each piece but there is always something at the end to snap you back to reality. On "West" it's the drum rolls and sitar strings that signify the passing of another time and space. It feels as though we've mined everything we can out of this experience and so we knowingly shift our attitudes towards one of parting. But you can 't help but feel a great weight and regret for that which has passed as we roll onward to the pieces final movement. "South" Highlights and Musings: 1) Is that the Mothership landing on the "South" (or perhaps Prince's version of Parliament's Mothership, a whale with it's soothing, discerning, cognitively omnipotent sounding cries, howls, whistles and songs), sent to deliver the enslaved from pain through the healing and understanding power of music? This could perhaps signify the staggering contribution to 20th century music of Black Americans that came directly out of the pain of hundreds of years of slavery. Music that has been and will be helping people of all races, cultures and creeds in good times and in bad for hundreds of years to come. Perhaps there'll never be another artistic period so astonishing as the one which saw the creation of jazz, blues, R&B, soul, funk, disco/dance and rap, with huge contributions in gospel, rock & roll and eventually a majority holding on that which becomes pop. 2) It's almost as if the Mothership is sending a perceptive beam of inspirational energy directly to Rhonda's bass, moving her fingers to the fore with a bass line that sets the tone for perhaps the funkiest moment of our entire journey. 3) The section of long lament that is encouraged by the still fluttering Mothership. Could this signify the brutally prolonged struggle from 2/3rds human status to equality? And this too shall pass. 4) About 8:44 when the piano enters and the slow, mournful dirge starts to deliberately build into modern jazz ecstasy, eventually made climactic with the inclusion of dueling other-worldly guitar and sax exhalations at 10:00 that reach Charlie Parker-like spirituality. This just might be the album's watermark. Upon first listen I was disappointed that Prince did not go completely interstellar on guitar. But upon further reflection of the piece as a whole, the explosion is perhaps tempered properly at just beneath boil until complete freedom and equality is a reality for all (North, East, West, and South). 5) The moody and bittersweet strings encountered at 12:00 that softly move us toward closure on waves of breathtaking emotion. 6) The piano that offers a solemn serenade to the purring Mothership poised for liftoff (or decent back into the hidden depths of the ocean). We've come a long way. We have a long way to go. Can we all come together or will we continue to fight and hate? Is this the end or merely the beginning of a whole new era? General Highlights and Musings: 1) The most amazing overall impression I get from listening to this album is that Prince has finally found his natural instrumental voice. And the result is a wonderful fusion of all that he was and all that was before him. It's no longer like, "Oh, listen to the amazing ability of the rock/pop/soul man trying his hand at new things. Isn't that nice and different and good for a rock/pop/soul man?" Now it's like, "Oh, this makes complete sense." 2) Perhaps this project was inspired in part by Prince jamming with his band on his last tour (see: "Tokyo", "Copenhagen", "Nagoya" and "Osaka") 3) There are many wonderfully toned keyboard synths scattered throughout this work. Think 70's soul with a 21st century freshness. 4) The production is so right on that even the sound effects come across as purposeful. None of that plastic quality that has at times tainted Prince's sound. 5) I like the silence at the end of each track that acts as a palette cleanser before each new taste. 6) A couple of the transitions - especially the first one out "West" -- are not as wonderfully inspired as the pieces they connect. But that flaw diminishes somewhat with familiarity. 7) A very visual/cinematic work. I can see a interpretive dance piece being produced for this music. And of course it would include Prince, his band and a string section laying low and playing live in the orchestra pit. 8) Defies categorization. To call "N*E*W*S" jazz is no more accurate than calling "SOTT" funk. There is truth in both labels. But there is also great disservice. 9) No doubt a terrifically talented quintet of world-class musicians. Everyone of the five players gets their time to stretch and shine. But Prince and Eric are most definitely the show. If Eric's part was mostly his own voice -- and I suspect that it was -- this is a strong candidate for the greatest contribution/collaboration to a Prince project ever. 10) There are many small details scattered throughout that keep the experience richly rewarding. And the journey is a diverse one, allowing for plenty of time to think, plenty of time to relax, plenty of time to fret, plenty of time to groove, plenty of time to regret, plenty of time to expect, plenty of time to feel, plenty of time to hurt, and plenty of time to heal. And as is true almost always with Prince, no matter how angered, troubled, depressed or stressed the music gets, he always finds a way to end it with some level of hope and resolution. Summation: "N*E*W*S." is a mature, nuanced, progressive, exhilarating work of art. Many years from now it perhaps gets viewed as the stunning achievement that it is relative to Prince's oeuvre; or at the very least, the path that led Prince into territory that kept him an important voice in music well into his seventies. Brendan Did u listen to the same CD I did? I love Madhouse and Kamasutra, but N.E.W.S. just bored me. Not experimental enough for me. To much of Eric Leeds horn. Sounds to Kenny G.-ish. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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