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Reply #30 posted 01/14/05 11:56am

Anxiety

Ifsixwuz9 said:

Anxiety said:



there are a bunch of prince CDs i don't like...Rave and Exodus come to mind...but N.E.W.S. is one i happen to like. go figure. shrug



omfg You don't like Exodus. May the wrath of all that is funky come crashing down upon you. biggrin


well, at least i know Exodus won't be crashing down on me, then! lol
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Reply #31 posted 01/14/05 10:08pm

ElectricBlue

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It is a great album,because it is different then anything else he did. cool cool

The beauty of being a Prince fan is he challenges you to expand your tastes in music & really everything! cool
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Reply #32 posted 01/19/05 1:55pm

neontelephone

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If Prince can released the NEWS album, then why not release the Madhouse project?

good point!!!!!
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Reply #33 posted 01/19/05 4:18pm

thanks2joniand
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I think N.E.W.S,TRC,C-NOTE, XPECTATION and ONA(piano) amounts to Prince's most fruitful period eek
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Reply #34 posted 01/19/05 9:02pm

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While I am glad that Prince has stretched himself out with NEWS, I haven't gotten into it yet. I really liked Madhouse 8 and 16 (and both 24 albums) but Xpectation and NEWS leave me blank. I waited a year before I bought it, and have listened to it only a few times. I like jazz, but for some reason it doesn't seem to fit into my CD rotation.

Congrats to Prince for having the cashews to release it. Nice to see that he still doesn't want to be placed on a shelf somewhere. Funk, rock, gospel, piano, accoustic, and jazz. Keeping all those plates spinning is a challenge in itself.
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Reply #35 posted 01/19/05 11:16pm

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I never listen to SNOOZE or Musicolonicirrigation. The former is utterly boring (especially considering the two instrumental/mostly instrumental albums he gave away as downloads - Xpectation and C-NOTE, masterpieces both). The latter is bland, safe and utterly predictable - it's an album for a fortysomething lapsed Price fan who hasn't bought a CD in three years.
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Reply #36 posted 01/20/05 1:50am

Sdldawn

This is definantly a subjective topic.. but I will proceed with my view.

NEWS (imo) is a semi-concept prince came up with.. perhaps after it was recorded.. He brought the musicians in.. they did a improv type performance with him and provided a skeletan type performance.. meaning that they threw the basis down for the tracks.. and kindof vibed to it and did their own small pieces to the pie. Later, Prince went back and added the usual overdubs (which sounds like a good majority of what I hear on those tracks.. minus drums and horns.)

Now, There isnt nothing spectacular about this album by anymeans.. I dont think the actual concept was to cover new grounds.. I honestly think he had a good intention and felt like it was good music.. so he threw out his usual babbling about it and released it cause us fans like his eclectic musical mind.

My favorite track is the first track on the album (North i believe)
true it sounds semi-soft porn music.. but its a beautiful composition and its a track that could have lasted (to me) Longer than the actual track was intended.. everything up to the wind (guitar sounds) at the end.. is just an amazing moment in prince music for me.. the guitar solo's sounds like some organic instrument trying to communicate to someone..

The rest? well.. Prince was very smart in letting everyone hear the very cool sample in East (the dramatic guitar part).. it got me way excited when I first heard it.. it thought prince was fixing to explore some major experimental grounds.. and that one moment on the album actually made me think he was gonna elaborate more of that sound.. but he didnt.. and other than that..? there wasnt anything left of that track worth hearing.

The latter two tracks are very bland to me.. at first glance they were very neat sounding.. but the adjustment of getting acquanted with them left me stale..

So I guess my rating would go as follows

North - 4 Stars
East - 3 Stars
West - 2 Stars
South - 2 Stars

Almost a 3 star album for me.
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Reply #37 posted 01/20/05 7:17am

whodknee

Sdldawn said:

This is definantly a subjective topic.. but I will proceed with my view.

NEWS (imo) is a semi-concept prince came up with.. perhaps after it was recorded.. He brought the musicians in.. they did a improv type performance with him and provided a skeletan type performance.. meaning that they threw the basis down for the tracks.. and kindof vibed to it and did their own small pieces to the pie. Later, Prince went back and added the usual overdubs (which sounds like a good majority of what I hear on those tracks.. minus drums and horns.)

Now, There isnt nothing spectacular about this album by anymeans.. I dont think the actual concept was to cover new grounds.. I honestly think he had a good intention and felt like it was good music.. so he threw out his usual babbling about it and released it cause us fans like his eclectic musical mind.

My favorite track is the first track on the album (North i believe)
true it sounds semi-soft porn music.. but its a beautiful composition and its a track that could have lasted (to me) Longer than the actual track was intended.. everything up to the wind (guitar sounds) at the end.. is just an amazing moment in prince music for me.. the guitar solo's sounds like some organic instrument trying to communicate to someone..

The rest? well.. Prince was very smart in letting everyone hear the very cool sample in East (the dramatic guitar part).. it got me way excited when I first heard it.. it thought prince was fixing to explore some major experimental grounds.. and that one moment on the album actually made me think he was gonna elaborate more of that sound.. but he didnt.. and other than that..? there wasnt anything left of that track worth hearing.

The latter two tracks are very bland to me.. at first glance they were very neat sounding.. but the adjustment of getting acquanted with them left me stale..

So I guess my rating would go as follows

North - 4 Stars
East - 3 Stars
West - 2 Stars
South - 2 Stars

Almost a 3 star album for me.



Good review. That's how it should be done.... ANJI! lol

I'm not familiar enough with the album to rate it myself although I do have it. I only play it at night when I'm going to sleep-- seriously.
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Reply #38 posted 01/20/05 1:39pm

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Anxiety said:

Ifsixwuz9 said:




omfg You don't like Exodus. May the wrath of all that is funky come crashing down upon you. biggrin


well, at least i know Exodus won't be crashing down on me, then! lol



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Reply #39 posted 01/20/05 1:44pm

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tricky99 said:

Really it is a case of different stokes for different folks. Everyone is not going to like N.E.W.S (or for that matter any particular prince release). So many people come to Prince's music from different perspectives that for a every release there are people who love the work and people who do not.

N.E.W.S is an experiment. Prince pushing himself to do something he had not done before. I can understand it not being your cup-of-tea but the out right dismissal of it as crap or sh*t bothers me. Not any ole body could produce it. There is so much Prince in that 56 minutes of music. Anyone who has followed and studied Prince surely hear's the echo of everything he has musically accomplished somewhere within that work. It doesn't pander to anyone notion of what a song/album should be. It's structure doesn't not fit within the limitations that people have been lead to believe exist. It doesn't fit comfortably within any genre. Is it Ambient? Is it jazz? is it easy-listening? Is it avant-garde? is it funk? Of course the answer is Yes to all these questions. That in itself makes it the most Princely of compositions. It is not "owned" by our expectations.


Beautifully Said! worship


Unless you think the answer is "no" to everything except easy listening. "Quiet Storm" is about the only genre I have trouble giving a chance.
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Reply #40 posted 01/20/05 2:32pm

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I hate it. Boring! Not real songs! Nothing like Madhouse! Not funky at all! Just Jazz music, because his dad died.
Goodnight, sweet Prince.
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Reply #41 posted 01/20/05 2:52pm

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Anji said:

4 papabeat 2 xperience:

"N*E*W*S" in Review

What follows is a hybrid of sorts; part review, part listing of my
favorite musical moments, part general observations, part thinking out
loud as to the possible story locked inside this musical work. And it
seems somewhat logical to do it this way, as this album sounds like a
hybrid of live improvisational jamming on loosely sketched-out
blueprints and after-the-event studio wizardry that brought it all into
a cohesive, deliberate, mostly premeditated whole.

"North" Highlights and Musings:

1) I like its overall unforced, serious-but-laid-back, organic charm.
2) So smooth and chilled out that it makes for the perfect antithetical
complement to the album's feverish closer.
3) It feels spot on at nearly 14 minutes. Not like a 4-minute track
stretched out beyond purpose, or even 3 or 4 pieces molded together like
we'll hear later.
4) The near flawless nature of the composition that seamlessly melds the
worlds of jazz, ambient, funk and rock. This is a very original piece
that beautifully preps the vibe for what's to follow. There are
certainly traces of "North" in past Prince music, but he's never been
this successful or natural in pulling it all off.
5) The little quirks that are added here and there, like being able to
hear the clacking of Eric Leeds' sax keys at one point.
6) The train-whistle synths at 1:00 that signal the oncoming sax.
7) The way the conflictive sounds of the mystical strings and the
gravel-throated guitar intertwine at 3:10.
8) The anguished guitar that peeks and pokes about before becoming
"North's" stunning centerpiece at 6:19.
9) The calming piano at 8:58 that caresses us back to health after the
onslaught of melancholy.
10) Leeds' sweetly coaxed butterfly sax notes at 11:38 that appear to
give rise to the north wind.
11) The barren north winds that blow us out of the experience. A cry
from a whale or a wolf can be heard in the distance at 12:43 and again
at 13:14. It feels cold and lonely here. Snow blowing, causing a
whiteout. Waves crashing against the icy shore. We long for some
warmth, energy, neighbors, kinship.

"East" Highlights and Musings:

1) The musical changes and transitions, the challenge, the complexity
and the experimental vibe of the entire piece. Nothing Prince had done
previously -- outside of perhaps the avant-garde "Cutz" from
"Kamasutra" -- could have prepared you properly for this.
2) The "steel-drum" sound that eventually persuades the snake-charming
flute out of its comfort zone. Are the natives being seduced out of
their homeland?
3) The drum breakdown that foretells of building strife.
4) The angered metal guitar thrusts like that of a powerful army surging
forward to stomp out rebellion, matched by oriental key figures that
build in fervency and incite anxious, circling, hornet's-nest guitar,
and a sax that answers in kind. The pieces most troubling, most
hostile, most intense moment. Colonialism pushing eastward? Communism
forcing its hand in China and southeast Asia? Perhaps just the general
and constant unrest in the region?
5) The nice transition from the powerful entangled sounds of
west-meets-east-without-an-invite through the use of funk guitar that
leads us straight into a wall of modern jazz, and later fusion with
intensified sax that's matched by gurgling organ and more funky guitar.
6) The irresistible combination of chicken-scratch guitar at 10:03 and
the deeply funky baritone sax that it conjures.
7) Perhaps the sounds of the last gasps of a once great army's influence
slowly being deflated at 11:07. Listen in particular to the sounds at
12:02, that's the same aggressive rock surges heard earlier. But this
time they come across as weakened and in retreat. Is this the
resistance giving out or the occupying force?
8) The standup electric double bass solo that stirs memories of the
middle-marker breakdown in John Coltrane's "A Love Supreme". The
aftermath of war? Digging out from under foreign rule?
9) Bringing the piece to a sober place of mourning with only the sad,
lonely strings of the sitar. Perhaps grieving the current war-torn
nations of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Israel/Palestine, to name but a few?

"West" Highlights and Musings:

1) The opening 3:30 that nearly packs the aching, bittersweet beauty of
"Purple Rain" or "Just My Imagination". I wouldn't be the least bit
surprised to hear this turn up on a future project as a fully structured
gospel/blues/rock/soul anthem.
2) After the harsh complexity of "East", starting the "West" off in a
more soulful and accessible direction seems just what the doctor
ordered.
3) At 3:58 is that Columbus and his boys that can be heard sailing west
in search of riches or the slave ships bringing over the human riches
that will build much of the west?
4) The striding and soulful neo-Madhouse groove that is the "West's"
mid-section, delivering a strong sense of purposeful adventure. It
feels as if we're on a journey into the unknown, yet still confident and
hopeful of what lies ahead.
5) Eric stepping proudly forward at 7:36 and delivering a statement
funky enough to inspire a hip-hopper who has never even cracked a jazz
album.
6) The way in which at 8:31 the groove immediately turns deadly serious
with the introduction of Prince's shrieking guitar that later gets
squeezed out urgently in energetic licks of stinging pain until the
whole piece slows down and settles in a dark place of utter depravity.
Is this the slavery era in America and some of its aftermath? This
section just shreds the soul. It's like you're being chained and
whipped. One of the most starkly poignant passages in Prince history.
7) You almost get lost in each piece but there is always something at
the end to snap you back to reality. On "West" it's the drum rolls and
sitar strings that signify the passing of another time and space. It
feels as though we've mined everything we can out of this experience and
so we knowingly shift our attitudes towards one of parting. But you can
't help but feel a great weight and regret for that which has passed as
we roll onward to the pieces final movement.

"South" Highlights and Musings:

1) Is that the Mothership landing on the "South" (or perhaps Prince's
version of Parliament's Mothership, a whale with it's soothing,
discerning, cognitively omnipotent sounding cries, howls, whistles and
songs), sent to deliver the enslaved from pain through the healing and
understanding power of music? This could perhaps signify the staggering
contribution to 20th century music of Black Americans that came directly
out of the pain of hundreds of years of slavery. Music that has been
and will be helping people of all races, cultures and creeds in good
times and in bad for hundreds of years to come. Perhaps there'll never
be another artistic period so astonishing as the one which saw the
creation of jazz, blues, R&B, soul, funk, disco/dance and rap, with huge
contributions in gospel, rock & roll and eventually a majority holding
on that which becomes pop.
2) It's almost as if the Mothership is sending a perceptive beam of
inspirational energy directly to Rhonda's bass, moving her fingers to
the fore with a bass line that sets the tone for perhaps the funkiest
moment of our entire journey.
3) The section of long lament that is encouraged by the still fluttering
Mothership. Could this signify the brutally prolonged struggle from
2/3rds human status to equality? And this too shall pass.
4) About 8:44 when the piano enters and the slow, mournful dirge starts
to deliberately build into modern jazz ecstasy, eventually made
climactic with the inclusion of dueling other-worldly guitar and sax
exhalations at 10:00 that reach Charlie Parker-like spirituality. This
just might be the album's watermark. Upon first listen I was
disappointed that Prince did not go completely interstellar on guitar.
But upon further reflection of the piece as a whole, the explosion is
perhaps tempered properly at just beneath boil until complete freedom
and equality is a reality for all (North, East, West, and South).
5) The moody and bittersweet strings encountered at 12:00 that softly
move us toward closure on waves of breathtaking emotion.
6) The piano that offers a solemn serenade to the purring Mothership
poised for liftoff (or decent back into the hidden depths of the ocean).
We've come a long way. We have a long way to go. Can we all come
together or will we continue to fight and hate? Is this the end or
merely the beginning of a whole new era?

General Highlights and Musings:

1) The most amazing overall impression I get from listening to this
album is that Prince has finally found his natural instrumental voice.
And the result is a wonderful fusion of all that he was and all that was
before him. It's no longer like, "Oh, listen to the amazing ability of
the rock/pop/soul man trying his hand at new things. Isn't that nice
and different and good for a rock/pop/soul man?" Now it's like, "Oh,
this makes complete sense."
2) Perhaps this project was inspired in part by Prince jamming with his
band on his last tour (see: "Tokyo", "Copenhagen", "Nagoya" and "Osaka")
3) There are many wonderfully toned keyboard synths scattered throughout
this work. Think 70's soul with a 21st century freshness.
4) The production is so right on that even the sound effects come across
as purposeful. None of that plastic quality that has at times tainted
Prince's sound.
5) I like the silence at the end of each track that acts as a palette
cleanser before each new taste.
6) A couple of the transitions - especially the first one out "West" --
are not as wonderfully inspired as the pieces they connect. But that
flaw diminishes somewhat with familiarity.
7) A very visual/cinematic work. I can see a interpretive dance piece
being produced for this music. And of course it would include Prince,
his band and a string section laying low and playing live in the
orchestra pit.
8) Defies categorization. To call "N*E*W*S" jazz is no more accurate
than calling "SOTT" funk. There is truth in both labels. But there is
also great disservice.
9) No doubt a terrifically talented quintet of world-class musicians.
Everyone of the five players gets their time to stretch and shine. But
Prince and Eric are most definitely the show. If Eric's part was mostly
his own voice -- and I suspect that it was -- this is a strong candidate
for the greatest contribution/collaboration to a Prince project ever.
10) There are many small details scattered throughout that keep the
experience richly rewarding. And the journey is a diverse one, allowing
for plenty of time to think, plenty of time to relax, plenty of time to
fret, plenty of time to groove, plenty of time to regret, plenty of time
to expect, plenty of time to feel, plenty of time to hurt, and plenty of
time to heal. And as is true almost always with Prince, no matter how
angered, troubled, depressed or stressed the music gets, he always finds
a way to end it with some level of hope and resolution.

Summation:

"N*E*W*S." is a mature, nuanced, progressive, exhilarating work of art.
Many years from now it perhaps gets viewed as the stunning achievement
that it is relative to Prince's oeuvre; or at the very least, the path
that led Prince into territory that kept him an important voice in music
well into his seventies.
Brendan


Did u listen to the same CD I did? I love Madhouse and Kamasutra, but N.E.W.S. just bored me. Not experimental enough for me. To much of Eric Leeds horn. Sounds to Kenny G.-ish.
Goodnight, sweet Prince.
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