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PrintableCenturion said: prodigalfan said:  Prince has been on Thorazine? That is for psychotic behavior. Not saying he's been on it, but with those sort of mental illnesses (and no, anorexia is not just some rumour, one look at his pictures and you can tell his BMI must be so low that kermit the frog out weighed him at one point) and the way he acts, I wouldn't be supprised if he went through an episode at one point. Its not a big deal realy, a lot of naive people think drugs aren't something *their* favorite artist could do hehe. But the fact is, not all drugs are life destroying demons, and most people at some point in their life use them in our current society. You make a lot of sence, I heard most brillant people are crazy? Lookin' out the window of a big black limousine
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Someone told me that he was messing with coke too during the Dirty Mind era. Now, that's just too absurd to be true.
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YoungRome said: Centurion said: Not saying he's been on it, but with those sort of mental illnesses (and no, anorexia is not just some rumour, one look at his pictures and you can tell his BMI must be so low that kermit the frog out weighed him at one point) and the way he acts, I wouldn't be supprised if he went through an episode at one point. Its not a big deal realy, a lot of naive people think drugs aren't something *their* favorite artist could do hehe. But the fact is, not all drugs are life destroying demons, and most people at some point in their life use them in our current society. You make a lot of sence, I heard most brillant people are crazy? mentaly ill, not necessarily completely nutters. I think it happens because peoples minds start reacting differently when you hit higher IQ's. This is all just pure theory, slop psychobable if you will, but I think its got to do with the fact that people with high IQ's are proven to be able to hold and manipulate multiple variables in their heads quite well. Now if you take that and apply it to the reflexes people develop to things they like and dislike over time (jerking away from a hot element isn't something you're born with) then people with higher IQ's could concievably end up reacting to different stimulants and applying what one person may find a couple points of relations on to all sorts of things. Imagine what those built up associations over time could do for mental stimulation and reaction, and eventualy seritonin levels. Throw in maybe a predisposition to schizophrenia geneticaly and the conditions of clinical depression could trigger it. Anyhow, i'm ranting, but ya, i'm sure prince has done drugs- the real question would be is there any way he hasn't? | |
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Centurion said: YoungRome said: You make a lot of sence, I heard most brillant people are crazy? mentaly ill, not necessarily completely nutters. I think it happens because peoples minds start reacting differently when you hit higher IQ's. This is all just pure theory, slop psychobable if you will, but I think its got to do with the fact that people with high IQ's are proven to be able to hold and manipulate multiple variables in their heads quite well. Now if you take that and apply it to the reflexes people develop to things they like and dislike over time (jerking away from a hot element isn't something you're born with) then people with higher IQ's could concievably end up reacting to different stimulants and applying what one person may find a couple points of relations on to all sorts of things. Imagine what those built up associations over time could do for mental stimulation and reaction, and eventualy seritonin levels. Throw in maybe a predisposition to schizophrenia geneticaly and the conditions of clinical depression could trigger it. Anyhow, i'm ranting, but ya, i'm sure prince has done drugs- the real question would be is there any way he hasn't? Dan, I just woke up. You're hurting my head.
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Sowhat said: prodigalfan said: Off topic: but not true. after sitting out one term, a 2 term president can run again. 
Simply untrue. The 22ND AMENDMENT limits a president to two four-year terms. It does not matter if they are consecutive or not. The limit is two four year terms. Why didn't Reagan run again? Or Bill Clinton? Don't you think Bill Clinton would have won if he ran this year? Tehy did not run or even consider running because they couldn't. Hillary's name was brought up a lot this election cycle. If Bill Clinton could have run again, his name would have come up on a regular basis also, but he was not even mentioned once.. Sorry, I truly did not know this. I know Roosevelt had 3 terms (non consecutive). I didn't realize the constitution was changed because of this in the 50's. Thanks for pointing this out. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Centurion said: YoungRome said: You make a lot of sence, I heard most brillant people are crazy? mentaly ill, not necessarily completely nutters. I think it happens because peoples minds start reacting differently when you hit higher IQ's. This is all just pure theory, slop psychobable if you will, but I think its got to do with the fact that people with high IQ's are proven to be able to hold and manipulate multiple variables in their heads quite well. Now if you take that and apply it to the reflexes people develop to things they like and dislike over time (jerking away from a hot element isn't something you're born with) then people with higher IQ's could concievably end up reacting to different stimulants and applying what one person may find a couple points of relations on to all sorts of things. Imagine what those built up associations over time could do for mental stimulation and reaction, and eventualy seritonin levels. Throw in maybe a predisposition to schizophrenia geneticaly and the conditions of clinical depression could trigger it. Anyhow, i'm ranting, but ya, i'm sure prince has done drugs- the real question would be is there any way he hasn't? Yeah, i just keep thinking of that movie "beautiful mind". my theory (and i know it is bullshit  ) is that the same thing that makes the analytical mind superior also supersize the creative mind... so maybe their creative minds are on jet fuel all the time and they see and think things that are out of the realm of normal. I dunno, I think some people who are insane (not drug induced, burned too many brain cells) are some highly intelligent, creative people, there has to be a connection."Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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prodigalfan said: Centurion said: mentaly ill, not necessarily completely nutters. I think it happens because peoples minds start reacting differently when you hit higher IQ's. This is all just pure theory, slop psychobable if you will, but I think its got to do with the fact that people with high IQ's are proven to be able to hold and manipulate multiple variables in their heads quite well. Now if you take that and apply it to the reflexes people develop to things they like and dislike over time (jerking away from a hot element isn't something you're born with) then people with higher IQ's could concievably end up reacting to different stimulants and applying what one person may find a couple points of relations on to all sorts of things. Imagine what those built up associations over time could do for mental stimulation and reaction, and eventualy seritonin levels. Throw in maybe a predisposition to schizophrenia geneticaly and the conditions of clinical depression could trigger it. Anyhow, i'm ranting, but ya, i'm sure prince has done drugs- the real question would be is there any way he hasn't? Yeah, i just keep thinking of that movie "beautiful mind". my theory (and i know it is bullshit ) is that the same thing that makes the analytical mind superior also supersize the creative mind... so maybe their creative minds are on jet fuel all the time and they see and think things that are out of the realm of normal. I dunno, I think some people who are insane (not drug induced, burned too many brain cells) are some highly intelligent, creative people, there has to be a connection. There's a lot to suggest a link between mental illness and creativity and intelligence."A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Yep he used to mess with Cocaine and Extasy on various different albums to show evidence. I believe the black album was extasy and dirty mind was cocaine. | |
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 This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes. | |
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He's a musician---duh, what do you think??
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Possibly. Never really gave it much thought. | |
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prodigalfan said: Sowhat said:
Simply untrue. The 22ND AMENDMENT limits a president to two four-year terms. It does not matter if they are consecutive or not. The limit is two four year terms. Why didn't Reagan run again? Or Bill Clinton? Don't you think Bill Clinton would have won if he ran this year? Tehy did not run or even consider running because they couldn't. Hillary's name was brought up a lot this election cycle. If Bill Clinton could have run again, his name would have come up on a regular basis also, but he was not even mentioned once.. Sorry, I truly did not know this. I know Roosevelt had 3 terms (non consecutive). I didn't realize the constitution was changed because of this in the 50's. Thanks for pointing this out. Didn't FDR actually start his 4th term shortly before dying? In any case, his terms were definitely consecutive... don't confuse one Roosevelt with the other! ... As for Prince and drugs: I just think it's safe to say that a man who has experimented with so many things (music, sex, etc) and has obviously changed his mind on many issues by 180 degrees more than once, is a man who has had experience with lots of drugs. Some of these experiences we know about, most of them we probably never will. "How embarrasing to be human!"
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Man - I don't know about Prince being on drugs and having multiple personalities - but this thread is certainly both...  Call her green and the winter cannot fade her | |
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strange enough... i was googling "musical drug" and i came across another forum with this comment.....
Religion: Drug Inspiring Worst Music ----- Since the 80s, religion has inspired the worst pop music. I'm not going to diss religion's impact on music prior to the 20th century, but the christian rock stuff was hilarious but still crappy. Any God references in music just about kill the moment. Prince made some decent God-pop in the 80s, but it got crappy on the SYMBOL album & DIAMONDS AND PEARLS. God killed Prince's career. When he was on smack, he was making PARADE and SIGN O THE TIMES. I'm not sure what he was doing during AROUND THE WORLD IN A DAY, but it was mildly unthreatening neo-pscyh mainstream pop. I don't know what the point is here, but I think this site is funny and I just wanted to "Specify Other" per my vote. | |
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meow85 said: prodigalfan said: Yeah, i just keep thinking of that movie "beautiful mind". my theory (and i know it is bullshit ) is that the same thing that makes the analytical mind superior also supersize the creative mind... so maybe their creative minds are on jet fuel all the time and they see and think things that are out of the realm of normal. I dunno, I think some people who are insane (not drug induced, burned too many brain cells) are some highly intelligent, creative people, there has to be a connection. There's a lot to suggest a link between mental illness and creativity and intelligence.A lot of psychobabble really... But I suppose there is some truth to there being a very fine line between genius and insanity... I believe that genius stems from the need to escape the creative drive that never lets go... We, as mere mortals, have much respect for genius. The genius themselves just want to escape it. It dogs them and makes them a little crazy, but at the same time unable to stop... Prince on drugs? Im sure he has dabbled in a few things. Who in the western world hasnt, even if its just alcohol? But I dont think he has a problem with drugs... No one could work so hard for so long, relentlessly creating, if they had a drug problem. They would have either burned out by now, or just given up trying... | |
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Prince on drugs? Im sure he has dabbled in a few things. Who in the western world hasnt, even if its just alcohol? But I dont think he has a problem with drugs... No one could work so hard for so long, relentlessly creating, if they had a drug problem. They would have either burned out by now, or just given up trying...
Off the top of my head, some regular drug users who have been/were prolific in their work: Jackson Pollock, Edgar Allan Poe, Vincent van Gogh, Hunter S. Thompson, William S. Burroughs, Alexander Shulgin, and Jerry Garcia. It's possible to be on drugs regularly and remain quite productive. I'm not trying to confirm that Prince is using them by saying this, just that it doesn't negate it either. As for your comment on trying to escape, that isn't it at all. I have a family full of people who could become members of mensa any time they want, and its not a matter of wanting to escape, its allready being out of the box. People who are high functioning see things as many other people do not, so they appear a little nutty even when they are stable. To a deaf man, people dancing to music the man can not hear would seem insane. | |
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I have nothing to add at the mo', but figured this topic needed a bump. It was getting to be a good discussion! "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Centurion said: Prince on drugs? Im sure he has dabbled in a few things. Who in the western world hasnt, even if its just alcohol? But I dont think he has a problem with drugs... No one could work so hard for so long, relentlessly creating, if they had a drug problem. They would have either burned out by now, or just given up trying...
Off the top of my head, some regular drug users who have been/were prolific in their work: Jackson Pollock, Edgar Allan Poe, Vincent van Gogh, Hunter S. Thompson, William S. Burroughs, Alexander Shulgin, and Jerry Garcia. It's possible to be on drugs regularly and remain quite productive. I'm not trying to confirm that Prince is using them by saying this, just that it doesn't negate it either. As for your comment on trying to escape, that isn't it at all. I have a family full of people who could become members of mensa any time they want, and its not a matter of wanting to escape, its allready being out of the box. People who are high functioning see things as many other people do not, so they appear a little nutty even when they are stable. To a deaf man, people dancing to music the man can not hear would seem insane. I think its an odd world we live in. We always tend to diminish the real meaning of certain words. For example, the word talent has been so watered down in this entertainment driven society we live in. But because the word talent becomes diminished and many unworthy people are labeled with it, we need to find another term for those people that stand out and genuinely ARE talented. So what do we do? We use the term genius! But what we have done is diminish the meaning of that word too. So what do we call the people who stand out above the talent? No disrespect to your family, but being a member of MENSA doesnt give you automatic genius status. I think you and I must differ on our interpretation of the word 'genius'. To me, a genius is a very very rare gem in our society. It is more than superior intelligence or higher functionality as you call it. It is above and beyond anything that can be measured with an IQ rating. Genius comes from a very different place to all that (from the soul?). I dont know what IQ Prince has, but the chances are it is average. Genius are the pinnacle of our society as human beings, whatever genre, industry or study they embrace. They are the force that drives our species forward. But they are just a handfull at any one time, they are not walking the earth in their millions. Thats MY interpretation of genius. However, if someone uses the word more loosely, then the bar is lowered and more people qualify... And if that is the case then we need another word for those that rise above the term genius, because they are the people I am talking about. And I do think that these very rare people are trying to escape what drives them. I honestly believe it is real thorn in their side. There has to be a price for having all that incredible wonder inside their minds (or soul?). There must be a serious inbalance in their heads because nothing can counter balance such an incredible 'thing'. Im not totally convinced that Prince is a true genius. I often say he is, and even believe he is a lot of the time, but sometimes he falls well below par and I have to question it. Who knows, maybe genius is temporary for some... As for the issue of drugs and being able to function. It is true what you say and I concede the point, up to a point. I still think that having a drug problem in Prince's line of work, with the workload it entails and the industry he embraces (or doesnt embrace as the case may be), the chances are the drugs would win in the end. We've seen it so many times in the pop/rock world... | |
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VanitySixx said: There have been a few people surrounding him that claimed he's done extacy. Its also been mentioned that the reason he pulled the Black album was because he had a bad trip (reaction).
Well...if Xtacy is all he did i'm not sure it was illegal..i remember when there was some form of it sold in shopping malls..came in a pyramid package or something and i think it was called Extacy.. I don't think Prince would have done any illegal drug, knowing his stance on them throughout his career (at least as was outlined in his lyrics). | |
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I don't know it's drugs that make him see colors
buit why is it that Purple is his favorite color? Working up a purple sweat. | |
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Jon said: Centurion said: Off the top of my head, some regular drug users who have been/were prolific in their work: Jackson Pollock, Edgar Allan Poe, Vincent van Gogh, Hunter S. Thompson, William S. Burroughs, Alexander Shulgin, and Jerry Garcia. It's possible to be on drugs regularly and remain quite productive. I'm not trying to confirm that Prince is using them by saying this, just that it doesn't negate it either. As for your comment on trying to escape, that isn't it at all. I have a family full of people who could become members of mensa any time they want, and its not a matter of wanting to escape, its allready being out of the box. People who are high functioning see things as many other people do not, so they appear a little nutty even when they are stable. To a deaf man, people dancing to music the man can not hear would seem insane. I think its an odd world we live in. We always tend to diminish the real meaning of certain words. For example, the word talent has been so watered down in this entertainment driven society we live in. But because the word talent becomes diminished and many unworthy people are labeled with it, we need to find another term for those people that stand out and genuinely ARE talented. So what do we do? We use the term genius! But what we have done is diminish the meaning of that word too. So what do we call the people who stand out above the talent? No disrespect to your family, but being a member of MENSA doesnt give you automatic genius status. I think you and I must differ on our interpretation of the word 'genius'. To me, a genius is a very very rare gem in our society. It is more than superior intelligence or higher functionality as you call it. It is above and beyond anything that can be measured with an IQ rating. Genius comes from a very different place to all that (from the soul?). I dont know what IQ Prince has, but the chances are it is average. Genius are the pinnacle of our society as human beings, whatever genre, industry or study they embrace. They are the force that drives our species forward. But they are just a handfull at any one time, they are not walking the earth in their millions. Thats MY interpretation of genius. However, if someone uses the word more loosely, then the bar is lowered and more people qualify... And if that is the case then we need another word for those that rise above the term genius, because they are the people I am talking about. And I do think that these very rare people are trying to escape what drives them. I honestly believe it is real thorn in their side. There has to be a price for having all that incredible wonder inside their minds (or soul?). There must be a serious inbalance in their heads because nothing can counter balance such an incredible 'thing'. Im not totally convinced that Prince is a true genius. I often say he is, and even believe he is a lot of the time, but sometimes he falls well below par and I have to question it. Who knows, maybe genius is temporary for some... As for the issue of drugs and being able to function. It is true what you say and I concede the point, up to a point. I still think that having a drug problem in Prince's line of work, with the workload it entails and the industry he embraces (or doesnt embrace as the case may be), the chances are the drugs would win in the end. We've seen it so many times in the pop/rock world... Brilliant response. | |
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"I've done a couple groupies, swallowed a couple downers
But nothing compares to these blue and gold and purple pills I've climbed graffiti mountains, once or twice but who's countin But nothin compares to these blue and gold and purple pills" Prince - an outtake from a Camille project that Prince didn't want you to hear - maybe thats why he chose to critize Eminem's music instead of suing him for stealing his lyrics. [Edited 12/2/04 10:34am] Onion Juice appears courtesy of Streethop.com | |
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Prince was on Ecstasy with Ingrid Chavez on December 1 1987 Tuesday. After meting Ingrid at Ruberts club. Prince had a bad trip. He thought he was going to hell. He thought the Black Album was evil. He cancel the album. He recorded the spiritual (preachy) Lovesexy album in 7 weeks. Goodnight, sweet Prince. | |
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OnionJuice said: "I've done a couple groupies, swallowed a couple downers
But nothing compares to these blue and gold and purple pills I've climbed graffiti mountains, once or twice but who's countin But nothin compares to these blue and gold and purple pills" Prince - an outtake from a Camille project that Prince didn't want you to hear - maybe thats why he chose to critize Eminem's music instead of suing him for stealing his lyrics.
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Jon said: Who knows, maybe genius is temporary for some...
. I think a lot of people thru history who have been classified as a genius, also miss on somethings. The difference between that the geniuses of yesteryear and someone like Prince, is that every little thing he does is analyzed and judged. Shakespeare (for instance) is judged for the BODY OF HIS WORK, not individual sonnets. Years from now, when Prince and the rest of us are history, I think the music world will be able to judge Prince's BODY OF WORK and there won't be any talk about "temporary" genius. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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i was a real druggy in his younger years, that why he is only 5ft2" his height was a product of too much coke and a diet of exclusively pizza and bacon!! (Allegedly). It were proper bo I tell the!! Bo Selecta! | |
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lol.....'Was Prince Ever On Drugs?"
He probably still is on drugs. Dude is a musician, get a clue. | |
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prodigalfan said: Jon said: Who knows, maybe genius is temporary for some...
. I think a lot of people thru history who have been classified as a genius, also miss on somethings. The difference between that the geniuses of yesteryear and someone like Prince, is that every little thing he does is analyzed and judged. Shakespeare (for instance) is judged for the BODY OF HIS WORK, not individual sonnets. Years from now, when Prince and the rest of us are history, I think the music world will be able to judge Prince's BODY OF WORK and there won't be any talk about "temporary" genius. Shakespeare, like Prince, is judged both by the body of his work AND by individual sonnets. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Wow,a person has a bad day. It happens. Some artists use drugs for creative. I think Prince has an amazing mind, with or without the extra added help. If ypu aint hip to the rare housequake, shut up already,damn................. | |
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iwannabeurlover said: I think the vegan diet was the reason he looked like that.
He is not a vegan He's a Vegetarian | |
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